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    I would like to get the opinion of current Fe types here as to what are your feelings about the internet "forum" in general. Reason I ask is because I would not have expected Fe types to be comfortable in this type of social environment... There is no real feedback here as to how people react to what you write (though mostly it happens with angry posts) and there is no formality when addressing people, such as some sort of greeting before having a conversation in the threads, also being respectful especially towards people you haven't met before. At times it feels completely void of Fe, no art of conversation. I've fallen to that I must admit, but I wish it were different.

    I've noticed that you guys seem to go on internet chats aside from the forum, so maybe that's the real pleasure you are getting. I'd be really interested to know how you feel about this, because I find it odd that you guys might like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sereno View Post
    I would like to get the opinion of current Fe types here as to what are your feelings about the internet "forum" in general. Reason I ask is because I would not have expected Fe types to be comfortable in this type of social environment... There is no real feedback here as to how people react to what you write (though mostly it happens with angry posts)
    Yeah there is. Why wouldn't there be? Is Fe only about facial expressions or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sereno View Post
    and there is no formality when addressing people, such as some sort of greeting before having a conversation in the threads, also being respectful especially towards people you haven't met before. At times it feels completely void of Fe, no art of conversation. I've fallen to that I must admit, but I wish it were different.
    ... What does this have to do with Fe?

    actually that's a bit unfair of me because I know exactly what you're referring to and its BS. Fe types are not shallow, empty husks of humanity who wallow in "ethical norms" and "formality".

    That has diddly-squat to do with Fe, sorry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sereno View Post
    I've noticed that you guys seem to go on internet chats aside from the forum, so maybe that's the real pleasure you are getting. I'd be really interested to know how you feel about this, because I find it odd that you guys might like it.
    I personally get pleasure from offside chats, although I dont feel this is entirely Fe related nor is it exclusive to Fe valuers.

    I apologize if this sounded rude, but it doesn't have to do with Fe, although your opening desire is of course a worthwhile endeavor.
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    I think this is a very interesting question, Sereno. It'd be interesting to see how [or if] Fe types view/experience the forum compared w more face-to-face, real interaction....


    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    Yeah there is. Why wouldn't there be? Is Fe only about facial expressions or something?
    It's my understanding that Fe types [or possibly ethical types in general?] are particularly sensitive to people's facial expressions, voice intonations, etc... obviously most of this is missing on the forum, emoticons not withstanding.

    I personally get pleasure from offside chats, although I dont feel this is entirely Fe related nor is it exclusive to Fe valuers.
    Out of curiosity, which do you prefer in general: talking in offside chats [stickam style], or through the forum? I wonder whether Fe-valuers' preference here [and their reasons for it] might be socionics-related....

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    I like talking on stickam, because of a few reasons:

    1. Higher percentage of people I like
    2. The conversations are quicker and less stratified
    3. I like seeing people's faces
    4. The conversations are sillier and nonchalant

    I am not stupid enough to rule out my observations of Fe egos being good at reading facial expressions, just to prove a point so I will concede you that (This could still be something else, so ...idk)

    @Sereno: Eh, okay getting ahead of myself there. I know you didn't say that, but i felt the implication was there, because I feel the need to maintain a conversation in such a way is superficial and "un-natural"

    Also, the "explicitness" "acknowledgement" etc. is not Fe. Its Ti.

    Ti perceives external field statics. In other words, "Explicit, demonstrable relations".

    So if we're working in the realm of people and their doings, then Ti is whats going down when us Merry types what things to be explicit, literal, etc.

    I feel very uncomfortable when there is some hidden thing going on between people and it hasn't been brought to the light of day. Its puts me on edge and makes me feel backstabbed.

    So, what you said is often attributed to Fe, when it is in fact a somewhat ham-handed interpretation of Ti.

    (Fe is internal object dynamics, basically what the Ti system spits out and shapes)

    So Ti likes the literalness and openness and such an explicit interaction will kick into gear empowering Fe energy...

    yup.
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    Whether it is related to or not, I do have trouble on the forum from time to time (as well as other internet communication that is strictly text) because I am cut off from body language, tone of voice, etc. In offline conversations, I am aware both subconsciously and in the moment of these qualities, as it creates my impression of the person for whatever purposes. I am fine with dry humor with my friends when I can hear and see them, but dry humor is completely lost on me online. I prefer stickam chats, when there's both audio and visual used, because it simulates more natural conversation. I feel like posting on a forum is like etching my words into stone, so I would be explaining this differently, most likely, if you asked this on another medium.

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    yeah Sky, i think this applies less so to type and moreso to just being a human being lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by look.to.the.sky View Post
    Whether it is related to or not, I do have trouble on the forum from time to time (as well as other internet communication that is strictly text) because I am cut off from body language, tone of voice, etc. In offline conversations, I am aware both subconsciously and in the moment of these qualities, as it creates my impression of the person for whatever purposes. I am fine with dry humor with my friends when I can hear and see them, but dry humor is completely lost on me online. I prefer stickam chats, when there's both audio and visual used, because it simulates more natural conversation. I feel like posting on a forum is like etching my words into stone, so I would be explaining this differently, most likely, if you asked this on another medium.
    +1 to pretty much everything you said here.

    I wonder whether it's Fe- or even Fe/Fi ego-related, or just an individual thing after all. It'd be interesting to see what Ti/Te egos have to say....

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    Quote Originally Posted by look.to.the.sky View Post
    Whether it is related to or not, I do have trouble on the forum from time to time (as well as other internet communication that is strictly text) because I am cut off from body language, tone of voice, etc. In offline conversations, I am aware both subconsciously and in the moment of these qualities, as it creates my impression of the person for whatever purposes. I am fine with dry humor with my friends when I can hear and see them, but dry humor is completely lost on me online. I prefer stickam chats, when there's both audio and visual used, because it simulates more natural conversation. I feel like posting on a forum is like etching my words into stone, so I would be explaining this differently, most likely, if you asked this on another medium.
    I also relate to this, though I sometimes prefer writing in order to have the time necessary to be effective at saying what I want to say .

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    Quote Originally Posted by look.to.the.sky View Post
    Whether it is related to or not, I do have trouble on the forum from time to time (as well as other internet communication that is strictly text) because I am cut off from body language, tone of voice, etc. In offline conversations, I am aware both subconsciously and in the moment of these qualities, as it creates my impression of the person for whatever purposes. I am fine with dry humor with my friends when I can hear and see them, but dry humor is completely lost on me online.
    Another +1 to that. I actually have a some trouble on the forum because i dont really socialise here. Contrary to how i am in real life, i only really form tentative connections to people here it seems. I feel like i should be laughing at peoples posts and PMing and stuff like that but i really cant be arsed. Funnily enough i think the Fe valuing types are far more able to use this place as a social outlet than i am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    Why? Internet gives you a chance to really KNOW someone without external disturbances like looks, gender, age, etc. I know some of the people I've met online MUCH better than people I know in real life. Meeting people superficially is only tiresome, and if you want to get really deep, then Internet is awesome, not only because of less external disturbances, also because people often are more open and honest faster online.
    I value the internet as being somewhere I can meet many different people, and I do like doing just that. You can even say that's why I'm here and my interest in this forum is held at all, because this is supposed to be a place where we identify how people are different, the same, and interact with one another. I feel like you can meet people you can't as easily online than in person. And I do have close friends online that are closer than people I see often offline. I don't think that's what's talked about here, at least completely. Maybe this is a really good medium for you (or maybe valuers? Maybe more specifically XiFe?) because you can easily, and at your own pace, respond and talk to others in a way that makes you comfortable. The internet doesn't always require you to respond instantaneously, or force you act extemporaneously too often. In fact, forums (I think) discourage that sort of style.

    I prefer a more fluid and organic style of conversation, which is easily found offline with other people. All I need are visual and audio ques and I flow along with it. I meet half-way when I can go on places such as Stickam or Skype, because the conversation stays organic and my ability (or preference?) to improv works well in that medium. When I post on the forum, I feel almost constrained because I have too many things in my head I want to say, and I can't say them all, but I can't possibly know really what to say because I can't really read how the other people are receiving the information. I guess I can ramble on more about this, but does this give a better idea about something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    @Sireno: Eh, okay getting ahead of myself there. I know you didn't say that, but i felt the implication was there, because I feel the need to maintain a conversation in such a way is superficial and "un-natural"

    Also, the "explicitness" "acknowledgement" etc. is not Fe. Its Ti.

    Ti perceives external field statics. In other words, "Explicit, demonstrable relations".

    So if we're working in the realm of people and their doings, then Ti is whats going down when us Merry types what things to be explicit, literal, etc.

    I feel very uncomfortable when there is some hidden thing going on between people and it hasn't been brought to the light of day. Its puts me on edge and makes me feel backstabbed.

    So, what you said is often attributed to Fe, when it is in fact a somewhat ham-handed interpretation of Ti.

    (Fe is internal object dynamics, basically what the Ti system spits out and shapes)

    So Ti likes the literalness and openness and such an explicit interaction will kick into gear empowering Fe energy...

    yup.
    Fe as the information element is what you are referring to as "bringing things to the light of day" in terms of your impressions/feelings on things. Ti as a function, but not as an information element, would use this information in the way you describe. At least this is my understanding of the topic.

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    woah woah woah wha?

    Can you explain more, please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    Yeah there is. Why wouldn't there be? Is Fe only about facial expressions or something?



    ... What does this have to do with Fe?

    actually that's a bit unfair of me because I know exactly what you're referring to and its BS. Fe types are not shallow, empty husks of humanity who wallow in "ethical norms" and "formality".

    That has diddly-squat to do with Fe, sorry.
    I'm confused at the impression you're getting from what I wrote. In no way I am referring to Fe types being shallow, etc. Also, I believe that I have a good understanding of Fe, but it may not be showing perhaps. I would expect Fe types to require in some way or another to know the emotional state of the person they are talking to, either by assuming or explicitly being shown through writing, in order to feel comfortable in a conversation or relation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    I personally get pleasure from offside chats, although I dont feel this is entirely Fe related nor is it exclusive to Fe valuers.

    I apologize if this sounded rude, but it doesn't have to do with Fe, although your opening desire is of course a worthwhile endeavor.
    If this isn't Fe, then what is it? The need for feedback in a conversation (gratefulness, acknowledgment, the introduction, goodbye) is Fe to me. I don't see anything fake about this, or attacking Fe in any way, so that took me by surprise. One reason I posted was because I feel that this is something that I like as well.

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    I exaggerated a bit with saying that there is absolutely no feedback. I meant that there is not that much.

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    Fe types probably pay most attention to intonation of voice, so the forum would definitely be void of that thus unwelcome of Fe types.

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    ...That's a really overly-simplified view of Fe. This stuff is more MBTI, I think (like saying that Fe is about formality).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    Yeah there is. Why wouldn't there be? Is Fe only about facial expressions or something?



    ... What does this have to do with Fe?

    actually that's a bit unfair of me because I know exactly what you're referring to and its BS. Fe types are not shallow, empty husks of humanity who wallow in "ethical norms" and "formality".

    That has diddly-squat to do with Fe, sorry.



    I personally get pleasure from offside chats, although I dont feel this is entirely Fe related nor is it exclusive to Fe valuers.

    I apologize if this sounded rude, but it doesn't have to do with Fe, although your opening desire is of course a worthwhile endeavor.

    I think this proves that you can get your Fe-fix from text just fine :tongue:
    You read into what was said and assumed that he was talking down. Most of us do it to a degree, I'm not saying it's a problem, just that it takes Fe.
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    what was the question?

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    I perceive there being a lot of Fe on the forum.

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