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    oke this pisses me off.

    I read it in the general wikipedia article of socionics. Socionics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Esoteric links to Socionics

    Main article: Tattwas
    Socionics has strong verifiable ties[16] to hindu philosophy, tattwas, the western zodiac[17], cosmology, mysticism, and the occult. On account of the overall obscurity of socionics in general these ties tend to be known and discussed more in the east than in the west. The extent socionics has derived theory from these sources is an issue of debate among westerners.

    So this is either angel from himmel or hitta or another horocope moron.


    This nonsense is what gives socionics a bad name and pushes it into the corner of the occult and non-science.

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    McNew wrote the article, if you check in the discussion page you can see that.

    As for sources *shrugs* he has one.
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    One case study obviously doesn't provide "strong verifiable ties"...that article does not say that socionics has roots in mysticism etc. (it seems to apply the link after the fact), and it doesn't provide any objective data either. Someone should do something about this!


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    Dibs on supplying the moral outrage!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    If you declare war, first build a atom bomb.


    HK, let's start a war. Start a nuclear war.

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    To start a war you need guns!

    The16types.info air force


    It consist of F16s (obviously)





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    Quote Originally Posted by hkkmr View Post
    If you declare war, first build a atom bomb.
    Nah not necessery, Rambo had only a knife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    ... and a particular body type...
    I compensate that with my strong motivation (and some armor piercing bullets.)

    Could you tell us a bit about how you'd do in a Jarno-Rambo fight? Just so we can evaluate your chances before placing bets?
    Sure.

    First of all, Rambo is specialized in knives and bow's. hehe pussy. I'm a specialist in about 40 different kind of assault rifles. Since I play a lot of first person shooters.

    I also have an edge on Rambo in wartime since I've played many realtime strategy games. So that makes me kind of a general, and Rambo was a sergeant I believe. So even in the boardgame stratego I would whoop his ass, unless I walk on a bomb first.

    Oke maybe I haven't got the real life training. But hey who needs to train to become a warmachine if you were born as one...

    But for the record...isn't Sylvester Stallone typed as an SEE? Maybe we then should make love not war.

    So peace to you all! (except for the horoscope morons ofcourse)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    McNew wrote the article, if you check in the discussion page you can see that.

    As for sources *shrugs* he has one.

    i am not going to read his sources myself, but user RudieBoy has apparently done this. here is RudieBoy's analysis about the validity of mcnew's sources:

    It should be noted that the link (link 20) used to show that Aushra Augusta was "involved with mysticism" states that this involvement happened in her later years, after the creation of Socionics. The statement "hindu philosophical thinking, chakras, and cosmological connections have been widely discussed topics among socionics authors" is hardly supported by the two links provided (links 21 and 22). Link 21 is an article by someone called Olga Krylova and talks about chakras and how it's important to [translation] "draw parallels between these ancient teachings and the young science of Socionics". One of the fifteen resources cited looks like it might actually be to do with socionics - and that particular resource is used as a tenuous way of justifying that parallels are drawn between the chakras and socionics! Link 21 is by Ekaterina Filatova, and seems to be claim that the chakras can be used to explain diseases that each type is prone too. It is not all substantitive. The four people who carried out the studies in the article are all from St. Petersburg, as is Filatova. The statement "hindu philosophical thinking, chakras, and cosmological connections have been widely discussed topics among socionics authors" is unqualified - okay, so chakras have been discussed in two articles, but what about the other things? And where's the proof that these things are widely talked about? Link 18 provides some case study about how Alexander Bukalov has used socionics to show that the Socionics types can be linked to sixteen magical warriors described in an anthropological study by Carlos Castaneda - but it is clear that this link was established after the socionics types were defined. Also, the article does nothing to show that there is any connection, and the works of Carlos Castaneda have been shown to highly suspect - i.e., madeup stories. Hardly a "strong verifiable tie" to socionics. The "Estoric links to Socionics" section should be redeleted. RudieBoy (talk) 00:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)



    personally, i am concerned by this issue. i encourage anyone that is also concerned by this issue and concerned for the welfare of the socionics page on wikipedia to go to the socionics talk page and state your opinions of the sources given and what should be done about the section, whether you agree with mcnew or not.

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    You may just remove the bullshit from article. Some dolt will return it. Then you remove it again. Some dolt... etc. And I do not see a way to resolve such situations, because admins at pedia have no obvious signs to decide who is right and have no wish to go deep into the subject. I do not recommend to use pedia articles, there may be any misleading bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    You may just remove the bullshit from article. Some dolt will return it. Then you remove it again. Some dolt... etc. And I do not see a way to resolve such situations, because admins at pedia have no obvious signs to decide who is right and have no wish to go deep into the subject. I do not recommend to use pedia articles, there may be any misleading bullshit.
    no; this is not the way wikipedia works. this is why wikipedia has mediation and such and requires verifiable attributions of stated content, particularly content that is disputed.

    i agree that in this case wikipedia will not reach the extent of quality information as other resources such as wswiki and wikisocion, because good, verifiable sources on the topic are not as readily available as might be optimal. while i am completely unaffiliated with and cannot say anything about wikisocion policy (which has had an inconsistent history regarding attribution and nonattribution, to say the least), wswiki does not impose on itself this constraint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    this is not the way wikipedia works
    You may try to remove bullshit that Jarno pointed. There is no authoritative source (sci magazine or something like) for that bullshit, and that is not relevant to socionics as it is understood in common, - so encyclopedic article is not the appropriate place for that. Maybe by some miracle you will have success to fit the article in rules.

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    oy! People who think there is any substance to the Russians believing esoteric bull, don't really understand Russians.

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    chuck norris is the man.

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    Socionics is in fact strongly linked to things like astrology, and esoteric personal development principals, as well as Westernized methods of our relationship social structure, things like that.

    The chances if you're into Socionics, that you're also into philosophy, writing, the self-help movement, socialism, other generally leftist activities -- is very high. I'm sure you could easily divide socionics fans into a certain demographic.

    You might criticize yourself (and others) for being this way and/or deny it- but the fact is, socionics is pretty much a solid leftist theory of personal relationship and helping people find love, people are primarily going to use it for those reasons realistically speaking.

    Are cruel, homophobic, older white males into Socionics? Not bloody likely. They're too busy trying to gain external power in the real world to bother with something like this.

    Socionics belongs in the vein of solid leftist academia, meaning it's interesting to go to a coffee shop and talk to your friends about it, but you can't really actually DO anything with it, even if you try- but hey it can help you be more aware of your relationships, I think which is a good thing- just like education and science CAN make your life better, if you're able to apply it in the right way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post

    Socionics belongs in the vein of solid leftist academia, meaning it's interesting to go to a coffee shop and talk to your friends about it, but you can't really actually DO anything with it,
    you can dump your conflictor and date your dual. This will make your life better about 300% better. So you can DO something with it.

    Socionics has nothing to do with occult. What would be the link then, probably the same link as drinking coffee has to do with the occult. Because you probably think everything in the world is related to the occult. Occult is for charlatans.

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