Define "nerd".Originally Posted by Gilly
Define "nerd".
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This whole "Te polrs can't do menial tasks and chores" thing is bullshit.
My LII boyfriend has the same problem. Sometimes he won't pick up an item at the grocery store because somebody is standing in front of the item for too long.
I don't have this problem, though. I just say "excuse me" and go about my business.
ashton suck a dick
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
I'm insecure because I've assumed before that people who post on online forums are nerds??... That doesn't even make sense.you're just insecure.
Welcome to the 'club.'
Maybe I am an F polr.
My favourite thing is to be alone, completely alone with thoughts, work, prayer and contemplation, computer research and games. No people to interrupt, no nagging, no forceful pushy bitchy horrible people, no dramas, no smalltalk, no having the life/energy zapped out of you, not having to try to be a 'normal' female' or put up with being boxed in as one, not being forced to socialise with mostly superficial acquaintances where nothing much really ever gets said, or with people who don't really care, not having to say to myself "but what's the point of this get together or meeting" etc or "there was no point".
- makes me smile just thinking about being alone!
No I don't think wanting to be alone or people skills is PoLR related. I relate a lot to that, and know plenty of other EIIs who do, one famous one I actually tried to contact and got in trouble because he's so private, even to all his family. I'd think an Fe-PoLR would be just as open to people, just usually not handle it as warmly face-to-face though.
Last edited by 717495; 11-09-2011 at 09:33 PM.
Your description sounds very much like Si base, especially SEI.
It could. For instance, if the person was projecting.
SLI/ISTp -- Te subtype
Perhaps, but I'm pretty much 100% sure Ti is in my ego at this point. The description of categorizing things and creating a complex system of ideas perfectly matches me.
-PoLR examples:
I have generally indecisive problems like that ^ which have to do with interacting with objects or physical space. I will like pick up something I decided I need to put away, but then I'll start thinking of options or fade into another thought or some internal inspiration, forget what I was doing and end up unconsciously leaving something I thought I handled already, because in Jung,
Another example is when helping someone move a couple days ago, playing a Tetris kind of game with the objects, I have a hard time doing because I can't see all the physical options in real time and am not good at interacting with objects, I treat them as obstacles to go around, so I feel like I'm just wasting peoples' space and time unless they tell me what to do. I would be better off doing something I'm skilled at, or handling the same task by myself in my own slow-paced or inefficient way.
Also I get worried when people are being forceful in general, like they have a lot of confidence in what's going on, I get kinda dizzy and need to think, and I don't take their pursuits or demands onto me very well. I have an ESFp uncle and he is so in the moment and interactive, and I am lost in my thoughts, feelings, imagination, so his such direct force and focus comes across very extreme to me and I have to be on my guard around him, to react quickly to what he needs in the moment or else I look like an idiot, and he will make me out to look like one too, then I'll get sensitive and feel obsolete to everyone else.
Here's a supervisory situation if I ever heard one: I was trying to perfect my cart driving around him, get to the right spot on the side so he could load up, so focused on pleasing I didn't see how far the camper ahead of me was and I crashed into it, could have crushed me if I was going any faster. I thought he would call me a complete idiot, yet he just ignored me this time and his dual laughs at me. This is how supervision can turn out: with the PoLR taken way too limitedly.
I would define just how Jung does, the objective viewpoints on sensing. I like sensing my own personal, private scenery and sensations and don't need them to be clarified by others.
I don't project so. It's just a sterotype. that I happen to believe. about any type of forum, there tend to be more nerds than normal people. not all or nothing, just MORE.
That's fine, I was just pointing out how it could occur, even if not applicable to you personally. YMMV.
SLI/ISTp -- Te subtype
Si polr = inability to put together a series of simple events together without getting lost, ie, can't buy milk at the grocery store bcuz they forgot their credit card is in their back pocket, resorts to bullshitting about irrelevant concepts to hide their confusion, ENTj rants about the economy of milk prices and tries to convince you it was morally wrong to want milk, ENFj tries to convince you milk doesn't exist in the first place
I often do similar things. I guess I like to have my own space and (generally) don't like to take up other people's space or get too close to them, so (and I'm trying to change this 'cause even my Mom hates it) when I'm walking on the sidewalk for example, and other people are approaching or whatever, I would often start walking on the edge of the road closest to the sidewalk for a bit.
I usually do similar kinds of things at grocery stores, etc. If there are (a lot of) people in a certain area, I go/walk somewhere else. If anything, I think it's related more to being Intuitive (and/or Introverted?).
It's basically a phobia towards hands-on work..self-involvement, that is supposed to accomplish something but takes concentrated effort and time.
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how so
Yessno
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
Tier 0 (Job Interview) => Turn PoLR into a rationalized strength
Tier 1 (Pop Psychology) => Acknowledge psychological weakness but attribute it to a stereotype or specific behavioral tendancy
Tier 2 (Wikisocion) => Acknowledge psychological weakness and provide a nuanced and relevant description that fits within the framework of Model A
Tier 3 (Intellectual) => Acknowledge psychological weakness and provide a nuanced and relevant description that both fits within the framework of Model A but can be applied generally outside of Model A
Tier 4 (Sage) => Acknowledge psychological weakness, provide a nuanced description that can be applied generally, develop insight in how to effectively manage weakness and strengths
Tier 5 (God Tier) => Acknowledge psychological weakness, provide a nuanced and accurate description that can be flexibly applied generally, develop and apply insight in how to effectively manage weakness and strength in both one's own life and in one's relationships.
yeah imo that is Si-devaluing (and consequently Ni-valuing) - distaste for doing all things deemed trivial and meaningless, like filling out forms, hence putting it off till much, much later ... the less Si - the longer it gets put off lol
i remember there was a post on IEI forums someone complaining about how she would forget how to perform simple chores but at the same time performed complicated tasks at her job no problem ... i've thought that had to do with weak Si or actually may be both S-functions
imo that's just shyness if anything ... it would be cool if one could identify Se-valuers simply by how they would just shove people aside
there was a good example of Se-PoLR from Athensww but he deleted it
Fi does the same thing. LIIs don't build complex systems of ideas btw, that sounds more like ILE version of Ti ... LIIs 'grab' a pattern with Ne then simplify and systematize it
or may be that's being so-last ... I knew an LIE female so/sp likely e3 who was very much into keeping track of her "public reputation"
So how do we go from more (that could just be 50%+1) to "all until proven otherwise"?
Well, in ISFp's case, we'd have to compare them with INFps (equivalent psychological structure barring S/N) - I do think they have a slight advantage over INFps, although as I said nothing can be said about further comparisons.hmm interesting. i think there is sth to that, but i don't think it applies to isfp, for instance. ime
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I thought this was a very good post. I've had to fill out forms recently for funding for school, yet my Mom helped me with a lot of it.
I also liked the poem. I literally cannot whistle. I don't think I've ever been able to.
I'm really bad at whistling, too - but good at ballroom dancing and I can definitely read greek. And I'm Te dominant. So guess what...
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Maybe. However, since their conflictors are Fe-creatives, I would suppose that such a specific characteristic will enact a negative reaction among Fe-creatives themselves.
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Err...but that's not relevant, since we are discussingPoLR, not Te-Si behaviors...anyway, I feel like this discussion isn't going anywhere, basically for noone of the mentioned PoLRs.
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Yeah, it's surely very hard. Just like it's hard to describe your base function without colouring the text with some influence from the creative.
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This is very unbecoming of you. This the first time I'm going to hand over an INTj lecture and probably won't be the last.
I'm going to assume Jadae is a girl, and is identifying herself as an ENFj, so why are you acting as if she is an ESTj? If you actually bothered to read her post carefully instead of dismissing it with your weird typing you would have understood what she was trying to convey, and you wouldn't have questioned her type to being with.
You two are on the right track.
Slowing down, I feel as if Im solidified in sea of silence = Si
Connection, relating back them back, etc. = Fi
From the EIE wiki entry, here is a few of example of how Si and Fi (and even Te) relate to each other and manifest in EIEs:
PS: For LIEs it would be Si and Ti, LIIs Se and Te, etc. Most of the functions work like that, not just the polr. If you're using one function it's very likely that you have utilized 3 other functions as well. In this polr case for an EIE the functions would be: Si, Fi, Te, Ne.
4. Si Introverted Sensing
The EIE is more likely to measure the comfortableness of conversation than other more physiological signs. Still, they are quite attuned to the the physical sensations others are experiencing and use the information to raise and lower the emotional conditions that those individuals are experiencing. In any case however, EIEs are prone to making errors in daily routine. This can include having little or no idea of where they put an object, allowing neglected responsibilities to pile up, or failing to remember important tasks given to them; excessive procrastination is common in EIEs. The EIE has little respect for people who seem to be too concerned with their health and comfort and who avoid straining themselves. The EIE feels that people who focus too much on caring for themselves will have no time to achieve anything worthwhile.
The EIE will feel empty and restless if he is in a situation where he is expected to just chill out and have a good time; he would feel that this undermines his devotion to realizing his abstract visions. He can only enjoy visceral contact with reality if it is accompanied by an active will to initiate such contact, to intentionally engage it. EIEs frequently reflect on experiences with others, both positive and negative, and are always bracing themselves for future problems (which mostly involve other people). This extensive planning of future engagements cause EIEs to often feel restless as they want to implement their goals quickly. In situations where they are forced to remain patient and idle, EIEs can dwell in their stress and neglect real problems.
Yes, jadae is a prettY, prettY girl.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
lol good gawd. maybe she, like me, just watched too much saved by the bell or something similiar and automatically thinks that people who spend a shit ton of time on the internetz are nerds. who cares. E6 my ass.
You don't seem to register your own weaknesses. Of COURSE you'd do something like this. You're doing it right now. You can bounce around this thread like you're totally clueless to some basic tenants that some people take for granted when they make a statement. IE, someone starts a thread with your quote about CHIFFON FUCKING DRAPES being Si polr, your "Identical" agrees with you, chortle chortle, hohoho, and then you go on to logically dissect other people's contributions as SERIOUS DISCUSSION. Talk about inconsistency!! Well guess what, I DONT CARE ABOUT CHIFFON CURTAINS MATCHING THE CARPET EITHER!! "I feel the same way. It's not Si polr". Durrrr. DO I WANT TO WASTE MY TIME DISSECTING WHAT IS OBVIOUSLY A JOKE EXAMPLE? YEAHH, I'm going to pull an Ashton and FDG tag team over a JOKE and then turn around and take EVERYONE ELSE seriously!! Because that makes SO much sense!! *massive eye roll* It's like when Allie stated she had no idea how her example related to Ne polr, blah blah blah, etc. It makes sense to her and yet other people provide alternate viewpoints that show that she does not have the whole picture. I understand her point of view and agree with her, but I do see how it can be interpreted as Ne polr, and the irony in her statements. Si polr is a form of hypocrisy.
Last edited by female; 11-10-2011 at 08:08 PM.
lmao saved by the bell was filmed 20 years ago. Internet was barely useable by then, and most users were infants.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Thanks, lol.
Ah, idk, personally I agreed with your example, I have been at the supermarket without my wallet lol
idk why you're writing my name in your post, we barely know each other...
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To be fair, you really haven't said much that's controversial or absolute or subtly emotionally scathing. I guess it was more Ashton and Galen that were doing this. I may have been carrying my perception from the other thread where I perceived you and Ashton sort of ganged up on Allie for something extremely stupid, which indeed may only be my perception.
The point is that this is a thread that starts out with relating a POLR to chiffon curtains. Can you seriously chortle about that in a self satisfied way and then go on to counter argue some people's fairly well articulated posts about their POLR (octopuslove, silverchris) hyper literally, like they're stupid, and yet not even give a counter argument other than "I do that too", "I do that too", "I do that too"??
If the chiffon curtains gives a general feel of Si polr, then we can attend to it, and not interpret it hyper literally. If the Te polr examples given give a general feel of Te polr, we can attend to what they're trying to communicate and not become excessively pedantic.
OF COURSE many people procrastinate with some paperwork forms thing, or forget milk, or "slay" chiffon curtains. If we wanted to argue about what "everyone" does, we could be here all day talking about behaviors hyper literally instead of mentioning behaviors as they refer to a concept or thinking process. If I wanted to be a twat, I would have replied to the OP
with
"I do that."
"Alternatively, it really isn't Si-PoLR and you should reevaluate your assumptions."
"If that's Si-PoLR, then I guess I'm Si-PoLR, too."
Is it TRUE that I do those things too/act like that? Yes, most definitely! Does it matter? No, it's a conceptual tool, not a master thesis on Socionics.
Si PoLR hit: "what horrible taste!", or "WHY WEREN'T YOU THERE WHEN I NEEDED YOU????????????????????!"
You are probably correct with what you are saying here Poli as maybe most introverts could relate to what I posted. What I was trying to get across was more the degree in which I like alone time.
I have noted that the ST&
polr's do not come across as overly warm (though they certainly are capable and have their moments) but have found my ENTp uncle to be welcoming/giving warmth on the rare occasions which I have met him (he lives on the opposite side of the country) and have read that ILI's can come across as warm and friendly people (though that may have been from Myers Briggs readings..). I myself am very open to people and do consider myself to hopefully be warm and friendly.
Lol, hope you didn't get into too much trouble by trying to contact that famous EII! (Are you able to share who it was?, no worries if you can't or shouldn't)
By the way, I now think that I am ruling out EII for myself mainly based upon how the person describes this type in the following video:
http://www.youtube.com/user/mindtheminds?blend=23&ob=5
All of this polr info available like what Ryan posted from wiki is far to vague that I can identify with too many polr options such as that EIE one. As an example I will highlight what fits with myself from the description:
The EIE is more likely to measure the comfortableness of conversation than other more physiological signs. Still, they are quite attuned to the the physical sensations others are experiencing and use the information to raise and lower the emotional conditions that those individuals are experiencing. In any case however, EIEs are prone to making errors in daily routine. This can include having little or no idea of where they put an object, allowing neglected responsibilities to pile up,or failing to remember important tasks given to them; excessive procrastination is common in EIEs. The EIE has little respect for people who seem to be too concerned with their health and comfort and who avoid straining themselves. The EIE feels that people who focus too much on caring for themselves will have no time to achieve anything worthwhile.
The EIE will feel empty and restless if he is in a situation where he is expected to just chill out and have a good time;(maybe the following sentence also)he would feel that this undermines his devotion to realizing his abstract visions. He can only enjoy visceral contact with reality if it is accompanied by an active will to initiate such contact, to intentionally engage it. EIEs frequently reflect on experiences with others, both positive and negative, and are always bracing themselves for future problems (which mostly involve other people).This extensive planning of future engagements cause EIEs to often feel restless as they want to implement their goals quickly. In situations where they are forced to remain patient and idle, EIEs can dwell in their stress and neglect real problems.
We need better polr descriptions, maybe taken from the negative as that is when you note their impact upon you the most from what I understand. Though who really wants to give away their sore spots!
And like Octopuslove and FDG mentioned in this thread, it's difficult to find polr examples that aren't clouded by the role function, just like it's difficult to describe base function without combining creative also.
Last edited by Hays; 11-11-2011 at 01:25 AM.
I can come across as very warm, but it needs to be guided Fi. I will generally regard most displays of Fe as transparent fakery and elaborate ceremony, and it will often offend my sensibility toward Fi-based interaction.
SLI/ISTp -- Te subtype
When it comes to making something as intangible as brain patterns into something more easily understandable, precision in how ideas are communicated is of the utmost priority. It really isn't fair to take something like "bored with conversations about curtains" and just keep it as a general feel because it doesn't explain what the general feel is. This leaves the door wide open to interpretation, but more importantly misinterpretation. That's why these serious posts about how everybody interprets their PoLRs have to be taken with such scrutiny, because the only way to have a productive discussion is to make sure everybody understands each other as clearly as possible.
False. It's important, not of "the utmost priority". That's pompous and unrealistic. In fact I posit that nothing here is of "the utmost priority", and certainly not worth the covert derision you have shown to others here.
The Epidemic Ignorance that is sweeping the Round Table, er, I mean, the16types, is a Malady that must be defeated. Raising Awareness of Socionics is of the utmost priority. We must Confront this now before people begin walking around the world with Different viewpoints than our own! Charge, Lancelot!
It is quite fair because many people on the forums have some basic understanding of Socionics, and pushing them all under some withered umbrella of ignorance is having a massive ego. If someone is not sure of the connections, they can ask, but I'm assuming it often isn't necessary. For example, I don't perceive explaining 1 +1 = 2 to be necessary when presenting some theoretical math formula on a math forum.It really isn't fair to take something like "bored with conversations about curtains" and just keep it as a general feel because it doesn't explain what the general feel is.
Which can be accomplished with neutral, respectful queries instead of passive aggressive barbs and playing Negative Nancy.This leaves the door wide open to interpretation, but more importantly misinterpretation.
I don't agree. There are many, many ways to have a discussion. You aren't applying the same standards to your own arguments. You and Ashton make mental leaps and conjectures all the time, so extend that prerogative to others instead of resorting to petty character jabs and faux magnanimous airs.That's why these serious posts about how everybody interprets their PoLRs have to be taken with such scrutiny, because the only way to have a productive discussion is to make sure everybody understands each other as clearly as possible.
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