Why is the word "emo" used to describe IEIs/INFps?

[Creepy-male]

Gulanzon, that really made you seem selfish and immature, unfortunately. I don't understand the point of you lashing out at Allie - it really seemed nonsensical, tbh, and like a strange tangent from any point she was making. Yeah, we've all suffered from a lot of things... I can recognize that kind of whinging because I used to be like you - well, at least what you appear to be - blowing up one's problems as terrible and at a higher level than the normal people of society.

Bullshit.

I don't have any idea where you got that impression from. I was just venting my spleen. You know that anger thing people get?

Yeah.

You seem to be doing it too. Just throwing that out there.

[07490]

What is wrong with emotions when it is genuine and real? emotions gets badly represented when they are used for attention seeking. it is just like art, when emotions is represented in a way that is inspiring, captivating, it gets people moving. like Gul and Allie said on this thread, life is a struggle and what is a better way to represent this hardship like Vincent Van Gogh's artwork or put your experiences in a vivid manner, Movies can change life and deep emotions will put people in an unprecedented spectrum, into another dimension that transcend all feelings.

[ArchonAlarion]

The reason that 'emo' comes across is because of the way IEI, especially IEI teenagers, deal with their developing functions... outward emotional expression. Why are so many of thos emo/indie bands just ripe with Fe creatives? That's why.

There's a difference between emo and emo for sure though; I agree that SEIs definitely inhabit the more aesthetically oriented worlds of styled hair and those clothes and whatnot, with IEIs likely following suit to some extent but not in the way that SEIs will do. The whole stars, guns, hearts 'scene' thing... ick. It's like looking at me 5 years ago.

Yeah thats what I'm getting at. The Alpha deal is more about an aesthetic cohesiveness to a group (the emo group) and about sharing a themed setting (Si).

[duality is cringe]

what's all this bullshit?

lol.

[Shazaam]

I feel people are once again being too critical/analytical of IEIs.

I guess I can't control how I'm perceived. If 'emo faggy artist' is the role that's been thrust upon me by society, I guess I have no choice but to just embrace it. =D I never was that good at math anyhow, and I'd much rather be creating art about all my experiences.

[Khola aka Bee]

I am sure while they were younger they angsted 24/7.

This is why you're awesome.

[Khola aka Bee]

Nah, identity doesn't give me security. Why would identity give me security? Identity isn't me, it's just who or what I am. I don't need it. Take away my name, my social security number. Take away my house, my friends, my accomplishments. I'm still the same person. Let me slip off the face of civilization, and I'm still the same fucking person. Identity is a load of bullshit. It doesn't define you, only your actions do.



Grow up. You think you're alone in that regard? You think you're the only one who has experienced issues with their parents? For fuck's sake, don't feed me self-pitying rants. I don't care what you make of your problems, they aren't any more real or any more cutting than anyone else's. Tell me again that I don't understand what something is like, go ahead. Revel in your own arrogance. You know nothing and you will continue to know nothing when you project your issues onto me.

I never thought I'd say this, but +20.

[Creepy-male]

I never thought I'd say this, but +20.

+20? You and 19 of your other split identities?

Which ones disagree?

[crazedrat]

kurt cobain is not an INFp, he's INFj.
I don't think our identities are defined by our actions, because we can act out our identities .. Instead I think, ideally, we are 'undefined' .. A definition can only be a limiting factor placed on who we are .. But that is an ideal.. being undefined. Everyone, really, does place limitations on themselves. And if your identity was truly undefined, you wouldn't feel the need to talk about it. All sorts of compensatory 'freedom' behaviors .. like free hippie sex, or speaking freely when there's really no need to speak at all.. these are false imitations of being free. There is no definition of behavior that is free. Really, I'd say that a person aware of the moment, and understanding how they can appreciate it for what it is .. they are the most free. And if you think that sounds like (Se) to you, again you're wrong. A moment contains everything

[Sirena]

I don't know. I guess I feel apathetic about it... Frankly it wouldn't make sense to use "emo" as a defining criteria for any type... but to say there's no relationship at all doesn't make sense either.

+1

This thread seriously brings the lulz.

Anyway, to answer the original question about Emo and IEI - there definitely is some truth to this label. I think the combination of and together already is the most um, shall we say, typically 'romantic' in a sense, that epic romanticism you read about in fairytales and the like - so that along with how the two create an obsession for meaning in every facet of life... well, one can imagine that in this world of the less than ideal, the very idealistic IEI will find much to be 'emo' about.

The reason that 'emo' comes across is because of the way IEI, especially IEI teenagers, deal with their developing functions... outward emotional expression. Why are so many of thos emo/indie bands just ripe with Fe creatives? That's why.

There's a difference between emo and emo for sure though; I agree that SEIs definitely inhabit the more aesthetically oriented worlds of styled hair and those clothes and whatnot, with IEIs likely following suit to some extent but not in the way that SEIs will do. The whole stars, guns, hearts 'scene' thing... ick. It's like looking at me 5 years ago.

IEIs will tend to just 'not care' as much ala Kurt Cobain and his dress sense... I may be biased here, but I must say that IEIs bring a more inward focus and I daresay that the backlash against the typical scene/emo kids are mainly matured Betas against the Alpha domination of what is originally, at heart and truly, a Beta thing. Is that offensive? Or does anyone understand what I'm trying to say here... ?

This is pretty much word by word how I see it, especially paragraph #1.

[Shazaam]

And if your identity was truly undefined, you wouldn't feel the need to talk about it.

Not quite true. Some people talk about their identities to truly see how that identity doesn't matter to living a full, liberated life. They talk about it to work through issues so exactly that, they won't be held down by that identity. If you don't talk about it, it remains in your ego-identified mind and you will become a slave to it.

So once again you seem to be arrogantly assuming things about human nature that just aren't true. It's okay though, I'm not going to get all emotional just because you are telling lies about people, I will just be here to correct you every step of the way.

[Shazaam]

And another thing...

What's so bad about being defined? It's better to play to your strengths. I know the quote 'Specialization is for insects' has some truth to it but the fact of the matter is, a lot of good stuff can be born from dwelling on one thing for a very long time. That's how leaders and movements and progression is made.

Also you have a tendency to be a hypocrite. Are *You* personally all ideally liberated and free from your identities and ego and the box you put yourself in? No, of course not. Nobody fucking is. Not Oprah, not Eckhart Tolle. No one. Jesus Christ was the ideal to be free from that, but it's just that: AN IDEAL. Something to strive toward, but you'll never get there. They can just talk a good game to sell money for books and to lure people but the fact of the matter is, what all you're saying is ideally true but in pragmatic reality, everybody is such a complicated mix of "bad" and "good" qualities that it's useless to judge people on if they are being egotistical or 'emo'. I guess I have a personal bias, because a lot of artists that I enjoy get called that.

Hey, you're only better than who you're better than.

[Sirena]

Good post, B&D!

Also, I'm not sure how people are defining "identity" here and I'll admit I haven't had time to read through the thread in much detail, so I may have missed something. But I don't define identity as who I am externally or how total strangers can identify me (things like ss#, a daughter, etc). My identity is who I am when you look past all of those external identifiers. My identity, the way I define it, is who I am.

[Shazaam]

Right.

I also take objection to people who think ego/identity is such a horrible thing in the world, because that's how dogmatic, fascist religions control people: They strip people away of their self-made identity to try and sell them what they think is the 'truth.' (So those leaders can get more power other people and enslave people's minds) It's so arrogant. Yes, our identities taken to extreme make us narcissistic and such. But likewise, our 'true self' sides when taken to the extreme, makes us weak-minded gullible fools that become pawns to other people.

For example if we were in a dogmatic society, my gay shaman identity that means so much to me would be stripped away in favor of some arbitrary 'greater good.' Your identities all would do the same.

So what if they are fragmented, not perfect, and prone to narcissism? Who the fuck cares! They are what gives us personal power, the ability to see the truth of something when others are being easy sheeple.

The point is to just not ruled by your ego and mind COMPLETELY. But you still need a fucking brain already, okay? In fact you need to use your ego in order to get a lot of those long-term spiritual needs met too. The two kinda go hand in hand.

[JuJu]

people have missed the most basic, most glowingly positive revelation in all of this:

Gulanzon's simple request that Allie leave the forum.

<3

(that said, reading her posts in this thread with "isfj" in mind is pretty funny.)

[inumbra]

I don't agree that "Allie should leave the forum." (Just wanted to put in my opinion on this matter.)

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Why do I see the word "EMO" used to describe IEIs in here??

I mean, it's one of those words I'd never use to describe any IEIs I know - far from it, actually.

I'm curious, do these people say "EMO" in anyone's mind, and if so, in what way? I deliberately chose pictures where they look dreamy and soft, but even then I don't see "EMO"

ISFj's are emo's.

[Sirena]

@B&D: I couldn't agree more!

[JuJu]

to be honest, i was half joking,,, i just wish Allie would tone down her bitterness in the long rants she posts...

that and her calling herself "isfj," i think, is probably confusing to people on this forum who don't know Socionics well...

the same could be said about, e.g. DeAnte saying "istp..." it's not a big deal, really... those are the only two bones of contention, so to speak.

[duality is cringe]

Hey everybody, come watch JuJu (IEI-Fe) getting his ass supervised by Ashton (LIE-Ni) on the discussion page of his wikisocion userlist.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

ISFj's are emo's.

Does anyone know why an image link has been inserted into the text I wrote here? I didn't do it!

[munenori2]

Kamajama: mune tell me an emo story
munenori2: once upon a time, many many moons ago...
munenori2: there was a young man on the verge of a precipice
munenori2: overlooking the ebbing and flowing tides of an emotional sea
munenori2: he felt fragile in witness of such power, the winds threatened to knock him from his perch
munenori2: part of him feared he was the leaf, fated to be tossed about on those cold winds
munenori2: while another yearned instead to be the sea gull, to fly amidst the turmoil, even if it was a futile exercise
Kamajama: wow
Kamajama: this story is beautiful
heath: emo kids are deceptively uninteresting. wait until college and you'll be singing an entirely different tune in entirely new clothing.
munenori2: Looking about him, he saw the shadowy forms of other birds in the sky and he wondered what made their natures seem so different from his own
munenori2: that seemed ever chained to the rocky cliff

[tereg]

Does anyone know why an image link has been inserted into the text I wrote here? I didn't do it!

What? I don't understand what you're saying.

The post looks completely normal to me.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

What? I don't understand what you're saying.

The post looks completely normal to me.

Interesting. Unless something completely bizarre is happening at this end. Basically the actual post where I typed ISFj's are emo is blue and if I click it it brings up what looks like Eddie Murphy, but if I quote the post it doesn't happen! Tis weird!

[Warlord]

Interesting. Unless something completely bizarre is happening at this end. Basically the actual post where I typed ISFj's are emo is blue and if I click it it brings up what looks like Eddie Murphy, but if I quote the post it doesn't happen! Tis weird!

There's no Eddie Murphy, but there's Mimosas original post quoted.

[Simon Ssmall]

If I browse from my mobile phone very often some parts of text appear as links.

[tereg]

Oh, is it a mobile theme issue then?

[Creepy-Cyclops]

yar it shows on my mobile I have just realised.

[force my hand]

This is now an emo music thread:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMkH6xi6-Og]YouTube - Seven - Sunny day real estate[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbXxeQCPxwA]YouTube - Planes Mistaken for Stars - "Spring Divorce"[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSKNTVfAumA]YouTube - Grade - "Triumph & Tragedy" Victory Records[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJZD3vUtxGI]YouTube - The Appleseed Cast - Fishing the Sky[/ame]