True Ezra's type

[Beautiful sky]

lol



Then explain your crying on cam in tinychat after I became emotional and frustrated. What is that other than something having an effect on your psyche?



Projection, especially the bold part.

Every time you say projection, my psyche knows and understands that you are not accepting my information and not filtering it, so I am faced with a brick wall. I can't make people do things, DJ, and I'm sure you're rational enough to understand that?

I need you to concentrate on not saying things that will hurt my emotions first and maybe listen, think about, and consider my point of view, so that you don't send my emotions to a wild frenzy and get me to reject you and block you off completely or go into a crying frenzy.

Could that work?

[discojoe]

Every time you say projection, my psyche knows and understands that you are not accepting my information and not filtering it, so I am faced with a brick wall. I can't make people do things, DJ, and I'm sure you're rational enough to understand that?

I need you to concentrate on not saying things that will hurt my emotions first and maybe listen, think about, and consider my point of view, so that you don't send my emotions to a wild frenzy and get me to reject you and block you off completely or go into a crying frenzy.

Could that work?

The bottom line is that you are trying to make me accept things that I believe to be untrue. I will not give in and accept such information on the basis of "listening." That's just nonsense.

[Beautiful sky]

The bottom line is that you are trying to make me accept things that I believe to be untrue. I will not give in and accept such information on the basis of "listening." That's just nonsense.

Then stop looking at the bottom line. Perhapse, consider other possibilities . I think it would help.

[discojoe]

Then stop looking at the bottom line. Perhapse, consider other possibilities . I think it would help.

The bottom line is the one that counts. The others are just make believe.

[Beautiful sky]

The bottom line is the one that counts. The others are just make believe.

Stop blocking yourself off from that; I don't understand what possible harm it could do, or why you would shy away from analysis in other perspectives.

Other things count too.

You've made a conclusion without considering the big picture. And, you've become so rigid that you've closed yourself off from any possibility of other things. AKA, you're not seeing the big picture.

[discojoe]

Stop blocking yourself off from that; I don't understand what possible harm it could do, or why you would shy away from analysis in other perspectives.

Other things count too.

You're trying to use cliche Ne dialog to get me to succumb to false information. It won't work.

[Beautiful sky]

You're trying to use cliche Ne dialog to get me to succumb to false information. It won't work.

Stop interpreting what I'm trying to use. Does it make sense in real human dialog without functions/socionics?

[discojoe]

Stop interpreting what I'm trying to use. Does it make sense in real human dialog without functions/socionics?

You seem oblivious to what is actually going on here. You're trying to get me to accept false information and you've not offered even the slightest justification for why I should do this other than to say meaningless things, such as "other things count too" (not saying why or how they count) and basically that in some theoretical fantasy land you "could" be right.

[Beautiful sky]

You seem oblivious to what is actually going on here. You're trying to get me to accept false information and you've not offered even the slightest justification for why I should do this other than to say meaningless things, such as "other things count too" (not saying why or how they count) and basically that in some theoretical fantasy land you "could" be right.

I'm not trying to get you to accept anything. I'm trying to GET YOU TO LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY THAT YOU MAY BE WRONG IN YOUR INTERPRETATION. But, I can't if you are unreceptive and that unreceptively actually stresses me out, causing me to become more annoying to you, because it's my job to annoy until grumbling occurs, signaling me that the person is ready to accept information that I offer. So, that means, have it my way, civilly, with courtesy, politeness, responsibility, education, manners, in discussion, or face my utter annoying behavior. Either way, I can be both, indefinitely. I have come to a point in my life, now, where I think doing things the grown up way, at least the socially acceptable grown up way, would be much more suitable then resorting to doing it the immature way.

I will state why or how they count, if you're open to receiving the info without lashing out at me and thereby suppressing my voice. I'm introverted enough without your quick responses throttling my voice.

[discojoe]

I'm not trying to get you to accept anything. I'm trying to GET YOU TO LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY THAT YOU MAY BE WRONG IN YOUR INTERPRETATION. But, I can't if you are unreceptive and that unreceptively actually stresses me out, causing me to become more annoying to you, because it's my job to annoy until grumbling occurs, signaling me that the person is ready to accept information that I offer. So, that means, have it my way, civilly, with courtesy, politeness, responsibility, education, manners, in discussion, or face my utter annoying behavior. Either way, I can be both, indefinitely. I have come to a point in my life, now, where I think doing things the grown up way, at least the socially acceptable grown up way, would be much more suitable then resorting to doing it the immature way.

I will state why or how they count, if you're open to receiving the info without lashing out at me and thereby suppressing my voice. I'm introverted enough without your quick responses throttling my voice.

If someone proves to me that I am wrong, I will admit it. I don't need to go about with the idea that I may be wrong floating around in my head. It's fine to go with what you know.

[Beautiful sky]

First of all, I want to clairify something.
Do you understand the messages that I communicate with you or not?
A simple yes or no would do.

[discojoe]

First of all, I want to clairify something.
Do you understand the messages that I communicate with you or not?
A simple yes or no would do.

I understand them, but it seems like you don't understand me. You basically throw out everything I say and respond, "No, you're supposed to act this way." It's very annoying and it makes me lose my patience very quickly.

[Beautiful sky]

I understand them, but it seems like you don't understand me. You basically throw out everything I say and respond, "No, you're supposed to act this way." It's very annoying and it makes me lose my patience very quickly.

I understand you, so your perception is incorrect.
I'm not throwing out what you say. I find the informational aspects of your posts very interesting. I am concerned that the culture of what is considered Ti/Te information and the way your posts are shifting them in directions opposite to what they are originally, highly disturbing for me and stressful.

[discojoe]

I understand you, so your perception is incorrect.
I'm not throwing out what you say. I find the informational aspects of your posts very interesting.

Well maybe you should learn how to talk to people, because you tend to piss everyone off.

[Beautiful sky]

Well maybe you should learn how to talk to people, because you tend to piss everyone off.

Not true, again. Just you apparently a lot of SEE, but that's very naturally...

[discojoe]

Not true, again. Just you apparently a lot of SEE, but that's very naturally...

That's not very grammatically.

[Beautiful sky]

That's not very grammatically.

Sorry.

It's natural for me to get into conflicts over things with SEE types. That's very natural, socionically speaking. Don't you think?

Se related.

[discojoe]

Sorry.

It's natural for me to get into conflicts over things with SEE types. That's very natural, socionically speaking. Don't you think?

Se related.

Not really. I think there's not much actual conflict in supervision.

[MatthewZ]

I'm not trying to get you to accept anything. I'm trying to GET YOU TO LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY THAT YOU MAY BE WRONG IN YOUR INTERPRETATION.

Maritsa, while, without any guarantee of probability, there is the possibility that he may be wrong, there is also the possibility that he may be right. It would appear that Discojoe has looked over the information presented to him and taken the most reasonable conclusion he could based on the evidence he has. Merely informing him of what in your view would appear to be his incorrectly isn't going to change his view in the slightest. Suggestions are nice, but they're not something to be taken without justification. Discojoe, like any reasonable person would, has stood on the position that makes the most sense, and, like any person that actually believes in their own correctness, has refused to be swayed from said position. He would prefer an actual argument, not an ad hominem that he is being close-minded.

[Beautiful sky]

Maritsa, while, without any guarantee of probability, there is the possibility that he may be wrong, there is also the possibility that he may be right. It would appear that Discojoe has looked over the information presented to him and taken the most reasonable conclusion he could based on the evidence he has. Merely informing him of what in your view would appear to be his incorrectly isn't going to change his view in the slightest. Suggestions are nice, but they're not something to be taken without justification. Discojoe, like any reasonable person would, has stood on the position that makes the most sense, and, like any person that actually believes in their own correctness, has refused to be swayed from said position. He would prefer an actual argument, not an ad hominem that he is being close-minded.

Why don't you and other NT's read his information and come up with whether it's Te or Ti?

May I start a thread?

[discojoe]

Why don't you and other NT's read his information and come up with whether it's Te or Ti?

May I start a thread?

Do it.

[Beautiful sky]

Not really. I think there's not much actual conflict in supervision.

There's actual stress in supervision. Infuration, anger, inability to escape and hide away, until your dual, the stronger one of you two interfears; that's just another advantage of duality.

My real life SEE friends and mentored kids can really reack havick on my phone bill, lol. My dual's really good at telling people off. Can you relate to being able to do that?

[redbaron]

There's actual stress in supervision. Infuration, anger, inability to escape and hide away...

truth.

btw, "infuriation" is not a word. You could use "fury" which is the base, or you could say that the relation is infuriating.

[Beautiful sky]

truth.

btw, "infuriation" is not a word. You could use "fury" which is the base, or you could say that the relation is infuriating.

[thePirate]

Sorry.

It's natural for me to get into conflicts over things with SEE types. That's very natural, socionically speaking. Don't you think?

Se related.

Its annoyingly presumptuous of you to call him an SEE when he does not accept that, are you aware of how rude this is? Also, kudos on derailing a potentially helpful thread to SLE-IEI.

[hardrunningrabbit]

Loving the details, Ezra.

Mods out there, move the off-topic posts.