Me neither, actually.Originally Posted by Allie
This thread was created AFTER I had spent months self-typing as IEE. The post that you refuted in this thread stated that people were more than happy to see me as IEI BEFORE I changed my type to IEE.
Me neither, actually.
This thread was created AFTER I had spent months self-typing as IEE. The post that you refuted in this thread stated that people were more than happy to see me as IEI BEFORE I changed my type to IEE.
So? Everyone types you as IEE after you've been around a little longer. Big surprise. Because tbh, I don't even remember you self-typing as IEI.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
Valid point, but my purpose in citing that in response to Mimosa's post was to offer another source to evaluate the possibility of her hypothesis, hence why I wrote "fwiw". It wasn't meant as a reason or justification for typing myself IEI, given the context.
edit: If I wanted to nitpick your words like you seemed to do mine, I would point out that "everyone" is a gross exaggeration, given that so far there has been a total of about 6 people that have been outspoken against IEI for me and many others that have on the contrary agreed with it, in public and through private communication. But whatever, being validated as one type or another is not something I'm likely to lose any sleep over.
Heh. You also look somewhat like Ryan Phillippe, no offense. He's been typed as ENTj and also INFp.
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fwiw, this was not the impression I got at all from watching pluie's video or from her posts. I do think I know what you were seeing, but this is not how I interpreted it.
I don't see this either. Replying to each opinion is not something I saw in this case as a sort of need for others to confirm ones identity-mask that keeps slipping out revealing the mask, or some such thing.Your fingers still fail to stop you from replying to every opinion carelessly tossed at you. Yeah, and that way you've got of stubbornly campaigning the identity you think belongs to you—I've seen it before. And you're one of those that think they can't be seen. You think that if you act different—you think that playing a role, conforming to external expectations like the mirror we never wanted—you think that will keep you beneath the surface.
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I recognize this in general, and I have seen it. I see it inside of me. I see it inside of others. Sometimes it is very pronounced in people. And no one likes it when they see it, because it isn't real, it isn't genuine, it is anti-self. I also think I've noticed a sort of connection between it and Alpha SF now and in the past on the forum (as in a perception on the forum). And I've considered maybe there is something to this, but I'm more inclined to think it's more of a psychological thing that can arise in anyone... There is probably some connection between it and Fe I suppose (it's about image and masks, presentation, appearances, etc.). But I don't know if you were implying that it would mean Alpha SF.
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Sometimes I don't like typing to be too personal and in many cases proving a point leads to personal attacks on others which leads to insult as personality becomes "which cool type am I?" Right or wrong can be debatable but not a math equation, it has only one right answer and the last time I have checked that you can only have one Socionic type in the course of your lifetime; which means only one right typing for a person, one right answer. I think that this forum has run a trend of not what intrinsically exemplifying the positive and negative of a type, unlike many typology has fairly and consistently portray, but it's run by opinions of people who put types in a level of hierarchy in social setting. So, I would like to put my humble opinion on both Sirena and Pluie's typing that they are both Beta NF. There is definity a chance I can be wrong of course, but I have to also say that I am putting 100% on it's typing without regard of my own personal opinion of how I think of them. it is their typing, everyone has a typing regardless of how much I like them. Putting personal bias off when typing people should be the first thing we need to do, if not, we are just lying to others and ourselves.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
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seems you've got some grudge against SEI's, and you seem to think i am one.
but this description you've just so blessedly bestowed upon me fits my perception of a typical EIE... paradoxical, and acting, and hiding, yet wanting to be seen as someone who's the "mystery"-- the "oh-so-post-modern" and "ahead of the ones who discovered the next of the next trend".
are you looking for some sort of feeble admission to this typing? sounds like you want me out of beta more than anything.
trying to scare me off with metaphors and cliches? what did i do?
if i am so definitely not a beta nf, please, -- as sirena said,-- enlightenment would be great. i'm not looking to campaign shit. i'm trying to figure out my type.
what do you want from me?
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by the way, i love this one line:
and your overall writing style in that post was pretty hypnotizing. seemed like you were running on a surge of passion there. seemed like i pushed a button.
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EDIT!
okay, so now that i'm thoroughly filled in about the skirmish between allie and sirena, i have a few more things to add.
so apparently you're convinced i'm delta. hm. well there's nothing i can do to fix that. i'm too lazy to go back and quote mimosa and scarlettlux directly, but i do recall them both agreeing that i give off some sort of "anti-infp" vibe, i'll just call it. and as i said, i can't change anyone's gut feeling that i'm delta, or not beta, or whatever.
but i WOULD like to point out that i believe some of your perception that i am "pretending" and being fake--i think you seem to see me as-- could be due to your Fi leading. this is just a hunch, but if my understanding of socionics and the functions is on the right track, based on my extremely close interaction with an extremely close friend of mine, she is and ESI as well and i feel that her and i both interpret people's intentions and get different vibes from people rather consistently. (i'm trying to avoid a run-on sentence here, but it's difficult.) i haven't thoroughly speculated this idea yet, but i think that if my Ti i were stronger (IF THIS MAKES SENSE), i'd be able to ponder the differences between Fe and Fi perception more easily, and come to a conclusion of my theory being either CORRECT or INCORRECT.
but when i DO consider this idea, in my mind, i feel this sort of blurred spiral... or sequence of logic, i guess, that leads me to believe that someone with Fi leading might see friendly gestures, or joking words, or over-friendly sarcasm... basically-- what i am trying to refer to, is the style of communication i first relied on when i first began posting at all, and also when i started this thread at all-- (they would see this communicative style) as shallow attempts to be clever, unique, different, interesting, and therefore draw attention to themselves in a way that is not boring/typical.
an Fe-leading, may identify more... and be more empathetic, and not as narrow-minded with their first impression. or perhaps this is just the comparison between and ENFj vs an ISFj as a whole.
perhaps there are flaws in this post, and perhaps i'm not making sense... and perhaps i'm not entirely on the right track, and for exactly these reasons i'm hesitant to even reply to you, Allie, but even more, I hate to pass up the opportunity if i am on to something.
i am also empathetic with Sirena, and would feel I am wronging her if i did not attempt to clarify and justify her in some way. i am not helping to justify our claims on our types, but i am attempting to assist in justifying her perspective, because i do feel you have attacked her, and myself. whether or not is direct or not does not matter.
perhaps it was not your intention, but my perception causes me to feel that you did attack, so my natural reaction is well... it's this.
Last edited by pluie; 05-12-2009 at 01:48 AM. Reason: read over posts; gathered more feedback
"If you can find out little melodies for yourself on the piano it is all very well. But if they come of themselves when you are not at the piano, then you have still greater reason to rejoice; for then the inner sense of music is astir in you. The fingers must make what the head wills, not vice versa."- Robert Schumann
Trust me, you didn't “push a button”. If you were familiar with me or my posts, you'd know that I always write like that.
And I didn't bless you with a description. It wasn't a description at all. Ugh. It's not describing EIEs, or even you. Blah. I feel heavily misinterpreted, so I'm not going to bother.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
hahaha... if we're touching psychological borders here, i'd say this is typical of an illusionary relation
laziness due to misunderstanding! am i right? or am i just stupid?
you really blew me in the gut with that poem of yours...
i feel blindfolded and drunken. shaky on so many levels.
i find it sort of hard to believe you engage in poetic monologues in all your posts. but then again you're right--- i'm not familiar with your posts.
*shrugs*
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ps: i know it's not a poem. sorry. just felt that was an appropriate title.
Last edited by pluie; 05-12-2009 at 01:53 AM. Reason: p.s.
"If you can find out little melodies for yourself on the piano it is all very well. But if they come of themselves when you are not at the piano, then you have still greater reason to rejoice; for then the inner sense of music is astir in you. The fingers must make what the head wills, not vice versa."- Robert Schumann
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