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    Some types are poorly named, e.g. a fictional, 16th century character for EIEs... Somewhat obscure Russian generals, etc. The lesser-known Huxley (!)

    Now that there are a few people in the English-speaking socionics community who know what they're talking about, I think we should consider making our own monikers so more people can more easily understand the types, without extensive research.

    E.g. SLE could be Marlon Brando, or Frank Sinatra. EIE could be John Lennon. Etc. (We should probably try to do a guy and a girl for each type.)

    I know that this has been talked about before... But now I think it's a good idea. It could help more people find Socionics. Also, it could bring about a better understanding of the types.

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    My proposal:

    ENTp Gregory House
    ISFp
    INTj Michael Scofield
    ESFj

    ESTp Tyler Durden
    INFp
    ISTj Agent Smith
    ENFj

    ESFp
    INTp
    ISFj Ellen Ripley
    ENTj Montgomery Burns

    ENFp Johnny Utah
    ISTp
    INFj
    ESTj William Wallace
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    My proposal:

    ENTp Gregory House
    ISFp
    INTj Michael Scofield
    ESFj

    ESTp Tyler Durden
    INFp
    ISTj Agent Smith
    ENFj

    ESFp
    INTp
    ISFj Ellen Ripley
    ENTj Montgomery Burns

    ENFp Johnny Utah
    ISTp
    INFj
    ESTj William Wallace
    Given that just about all those types are wrong... A joke?
    First eliminate every possible source of error. Thence success is inevitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smilingeyes View Post
    Given that just about all those types are wrong... A joke?
    Well, I think I typed them right. Which ones are wrong?
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    Good job, ifmd95!

    I like those...

    Let's try to get some people who are somewhat timeless, you know..? Not just fly by nights... I like Bono as EIE. Cousteau is perfect for ESE. Putin and Merkel are alright too... The others are slightly obscure.

    The goal of this would be to make finding one's type easier for English-speakers -- and to make Socionics more accessible in general to people outside pseudo-academia.

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    Guess for these, a male and a female would be needed for easy identification, plus of relatively decent repute thereby reducing bias in choosing type. How do these fit in

    Einstein - ILE
    KT Tunstall/Johnny Depp (xEI at the very least) - SEI
    Madonna - SLE (maybe SEE, I am not sure)
    Angelina Jolie/Harrison Ford - SLI
    Anthony Hopkins/Catherine Zeta Jones (Judy Dench maybe) - LSI
    Nicole Kidman - LII
    Jennifer Aniston - IEI

    That's all I can think about right now.

    ps: i always get this alpha SF feel from Tyra Banks (), though who wouldn't want her in their quadra :wink:.
    LII?

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    Good, Buckland.

    Madonna would be a great female SLE exemplar. I think we should go with that.

    Kidman's probably one of the best we're going to get for female LIIs... You know, unless Carla becomes famous.

    Some of the others are slightly off, or disputed... Not sure about your SLIs, although a lot of people agree with you... Johnny Depp, a lot of people here would dispute. Anthony Hopkins is ENFj.

    An easy choice for SEI would be Paul McCartney -- one of the most blatant and least controversial typings possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    Good, Buckland.

    Madonna would be a great female SLE exemplar. I think we should go with that.

    Kidman's probably one of the best we're going to get for female LIIs... You know, unless Carla becomes famous.

    Some of the others are slightly off, or disputed... Not sure about your SLIs, although a lot of people agree with you... Johnny Depp, a lot of people here would dispute. Anthony Hopkins is ENFj.

    An easy choice for SEI would be Paul McCartney -- one of the most blatant and least controversial typings possible.
    Really? I always got a reading from him. In any case, what about Jack Nicholson as a replacement?

    Beyonce could possibly serve as .
    LII?

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    Personally I think Oppenheimer was EIE, at least from what I've heard of him from shows on the History Channel: charismatic, an unconventional thinker, and somehow cooperated very easily with most high-ranking military officials he dealt with in the course of the Manhattan Project.

    In any case, he's a bit of an obscure figure to use for a "benchmark."

    Bono might be good for EIE.

    What about Brian Warner (aka Marilyn Manson) for IEI?

    Tyler Durden is a good example of an SLE, but I'd hesitate to use fictional characters.

    Also, House as ILE is a typing I absolutely have to question...too gruff and asocial, too quick to use power games and manipulative tactics.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    I like Putin for LSI, and Hopkins for SLE.

    How about Ellen Degeneres for IEE?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    How about Aldous Huxley for LII?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    LII Robert Oppenheimer / Angela Merkel
    ESE Jacques Cousteau / Ashiwarya Rai

    LSI Vladimir Putin / Segolene Royal
    EIE Paul Hewson / Jane Fonda
    Oppenheimer was known for his one man upship, ILE... Yet your typing could still be right, I just wanted to state that small fact.

    Putin is heavely debated by most socionist. Using him as a stereotype is therefor dangerous.

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    Keep the suggestions coming... These are good... Do people like Aniston as IEI..? What about Cobain as IEI..? Or Jim Morrison..? Hanoi Jane as EIE..? I agree with the typing, but don't know how many people of our generation would get it... We need a lot of gammas and Deltas.

    ESE: female ESE; Jacques Cousteau
    LII: Nicole Kidman; male LII
    SEI: female SEI; Paul McCartney
    ILE: female ILE; male ILE

    EIE: female EIE; Bono
    LSI: female LSI; male LSI
    IEI: female IEI; male IEI
    SLE: Madonna; male SLE.

    LIE:
    ESI:
    SEE: female SEE: Elvis Presley
    ILI:

    LSE:
    EII:
    IEE: Ellen DeGeneres; male IEE
    SLI:

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    Ronald Reagan ENFj?
    Bill Clinton ESFj?
    Boris Yeltsin ESTp?
    Weird Al Yankovic ENTp?
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    Now, who is there that's so famous that even I know of him?

    LII: René Descartes (or Immanuel Kant)
    ILE: Albert Einstein
    IEI: Gandhi
    EII: Abraham Lincoln



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    ****** is good for male EIE.

    Einstein is good male ILE.

    Michael Jordan would be good for male LSI, IMO. On that note, Dennis Rodman could be the male EIE and in fact I think he would make a good type exemplar.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    Some types are poorly named, e.g. a fictional, 16th century character for EIEs... Somewhat obscure Russian generals, etc. The lesser-known Huxley (!)

    Now that there are a few people in the English-speaking socionics community who know what they're talking about, I think we should consider making our own monikers so more people can more easily understand the types, without extensive research.

    E.g. SLE could be Marlon Brando, or Frank Sinatra. EIE could be John Lennon. Etc. (We should probably try to do a guy and a girl for each type.)

    I know that this has been talked about before... But now I think it's a good idea. It could help more people find Socionics. Also, it could bring about a better understanding of the types.
    No, Zhukov is a great name for SLE. He wasn't obscure at all. He won the war on the Eastern Front. Stalin was shit compared to him. Rommel or Churchill would go nicely too though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    No, Zhukov is a great name for SLE. He wasn't obscure at all. He won the war on the Eastern Front. Stalin was shit compared to him. Rommel or Churchill would go nicely too though.
    Ezra, are you telling me that if you went up to your SLE friend--and for the sake of this example, let's say he's a bit retarded--and said, "you know you ol' son of a bitch, your personality reminds me quite a bit of Zhukov's," he would know what the hell you were talking about?

    Churchill is a good idea.

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    Some LIIs:

    David Byrne
    Noam Chomsky
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    Ezra, are you telling me that if you went up to your SLE friend--and for the sake of this example, let's say he's a bit retarded--and said, "you know you ol' son of a bitch, your personality reminds me quite a bit of Zhukov's," he would know what the hell you were talking about?

    Churchill is a good idea.
    If he was a bit retarded he wouldn't be worth my introducing him to socionics.

    I think this name thing is a bit pointless. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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