Numbers (07490)

[unefille]

These stuff can be changed there are alot of 3's like me. Just beacuse I try to get rid of my prefect imagine and put my own self on the spot indicates that i am very much a 3.

Which is why I'm not questioning your E-type, just finding it interesting -- because the 9 fix is so so obvious and most of the 3s I know (and there are a lot, since the primary reason people enrol at my law school is 'prestige' and we all know what E-type that attracts, speaking at a high level of generality) have 8 or 1 in their trifix. I've never met a 3 with a 9 gut-fix IRL; so that's clearly a blind-spot in my sample.

[unefille]

His posts give me the impression of having unnatural Fe and Ni. I know its not a valid argument because its based on my perception alone. I cannot relate to him, and I'm damn well sure I'm an EIE. If he's one, then I may very well have to reconsider my own type.

Hmm...how much do you relate to the other self-typed EIEs on this board? I presume despite your low number of posts that you're nevertheless quite familiar with this board.

[07490]

An ILE friend of mine can see Aura in people, I was nothing like I am now maybe 3 to 4 years ago, you know dramatic events change people, and everyone will have that at some point in their life, some earlier than other, I used to be highly, highly ambitious, like most EIE i would believe, I change my perspective in life alot, anyway, the ILE(which I look up to a great deal) said she said a green aura in me, then I look it on on the internet what that is, at that point I have no idea and found this which i can relate to alot. I am not ambitious anymore, I am still a 3 at heart, I have to move around, I have a hard time relaxing with people, I still have nervous and uncontrollable energy.

MIND/BODY

Greens are balanced, harmonious, and peaceful personalities. They need harmony in their life and prefer to live in a natural environment. They are the most balanced people in the color spectrum. They also have a powerful connection with nature. Living in the country, next to a forest or park or close to a lake or ocean is important for these friendly and heartfelt personalities. Greens are open, extroverted, expressive, friendly, communicative and heartfelt. Greens perceive life through their heart. Their primary motivations are contentment and harmony. They judge their successes by how close they are to their friends or nature. Greens are content personalities. If they are in power and have found their place they need very little to be happy or feel needed. Their inner happiness and satisfaction is important to them and is fulfilled without much expectation.

Greens want to feel happy and content with their lives. They understand clearly that the higher they set their goals the more difficult they will be to achieve. They also have an inner understanding of the natural cycles and laws of life. They believe that to live, as a human being is life's most wonderful gift. Green personalities are very talkative and communicative. They say exactly, what they think. They can talk for hours about almost any subject, often without saying very much. A good "chat" is therapeutic and allows them to release and express their deep feelings and concerns. Greens have a need to talk about themselves and their problems so they can understand them and feel better. If they are unhappy or frustrated they will discharge their frustration verbally. It is difficult for Greens to hold back or contain their thoughts and feelings. They have natural ways of expressing their emotions and feelings. If a Green is angry they will shout. If they are sad, tears will come. If they are jealous, you will see the reaction immediately.

Greens teach us that if we express our feelings and emotions naturally, the next step will be harmony and balance. If we hold back our feelings we will do nothing more than create unnecessary problems in our life. Unexpressed emotional energy will stay in our bodies and lower our life energy. Greens have a strong contact with both nature and their physical bodies. They have a need to express themselves and be physically active. Spending time in a garden, digging in the dirt or working with animals creates a special feeling for them. Green personalities are quick, abstract and analytical thinkers and can jump from one step to another without being concerned about the steps between. They prefer to develop and express their ideas and then to organize and delegate work. They are organized, efficient and have a need to understand everything they do. They process data both quickly and mentally and are able to make maximum use of this ability. They prefer organizing, structuring, planing and especially communicating about their projects to actual hard, physical work.

Greens have high expectations and specific beliefs about life. This is especially prevalent in their relationships with other people and their own financial situation. They expect life to go their way. Contrary to most Deep-Green personalities, Greens are not very ambitious or hardworking people. They prefer a natural and easy going life rather than one which is hectic and filled with stress, based primarily on earning money and achieving goals. They need to be independent and free in the sense that they have their own agenda and way of life. Greens need to feel, at least to themselves, that they are their own boss and are free to express, explore and change any situation. Greens can become passive and un-oriented at times. They express similarities to cats, enjoying doing nothing at all for long periods of time. They just stretch out and relax, which allows them to create harmony and balance and to recharge their life energy batteries.

SOCIAL LIFE

Greens are social and love to be with their family, relatives or friends. They love the secure feeling of being around friends and family. To feel understood and accepted is very important to them. Green personalities need harmony and prefer a relaxed, balanced, peaceful environment. Being around people allows them to communicate and express their deepest feelings. Greens can talk for hours. It is therapeutic for them. They tend to talk about their own experiences much more than about other peoples concerns. They also have no fear of communicating with strangers without knowing them. These expressive personalities are often found in social groups or organizations. Community work and sharing life with their family and close friends is very rewarding to them. Greens have a need to be with people, animals or nature. This interaction tells them they are alive and gives them the feeling of being needed and being part of nature. Because of their ability to share and communicate, Greens are often found in teaching or therapeutic professions.

RELATIONSHIPS AND INTIMACY

Green means relationships and interaction with humans, animals and nature. These relationships are their primary way of perceiving life. They view their world in terms of relating and personal interaction. They will talk with anyone without holding back or offering any resistance. It is natural for them to share their most intimate thoughts and feelings. They are open and forthcoming to the point where some people perceive them as insensitive or overwhelming. On the other hand, often it is difficult for them to develop deep relationships. Shallow conversation and a general sense of openness does not necessarily guarantee a deep interpersonal connection or meaningful friendship. However, if they are willing to give and support others they can relate with almost every personality type. Greens just love to be together with their family or close friends.

CAREER AND FINANCE

Greens have similar personality traits and qualities with Deep-Greens. Their financial attention is not on making money or achieving goals, but on having money and living a prosperous life. Greens are not fond of working very hard whether physically or mentally. They are also not completely responsible when it comes to earning money for themselves. They often find it easier to have someone else support them, or just decide to slow down and only earn enough money for their own basic needs. On the other hand, Greens are security conscious. They need to live in a safe and balanced environment where money and problems don't take up much space. Fighting for survival causes tension, something, which bothers Greens very much.

Greens are friendly and helpful and because they know how to communicate what they want or need, they regularly receive help from others. They seem to understand the concept of nature's support and growth system. If you ask, you will receive. Because of their connection to the natural support system, they often forget that it is also necessary to initiate action in order to make things happen. Greens solve their problems not only because they have friends or know the right people to fix things, but also because they have good analytical, organizing and planing abilities. Greens come up with detailed and clever ideas. They possess a natural intuition that allows them to be quick-minded and innovative. But Greens normally do not act on their ideas for themselves. Greens love to work with nature, animals or other people. They have an inner need to communicate in any form with their environment. They also need a friendly and balanced place in which to work. As a result of not being very ambitious or goal driven, their interests are more focused on nature and human, interpersonal issues. A typical "green" occupation would include: Gardener, environmental researcher, farmer, social worker, animal caretaker, mother, teacher, therapist, counselor or secretary.

HEALTH, WELL-BEING AND GROWTH

The best method for Greens to find harmony is to accept full responsibility and live their own life to the best of their abilities. They need to get in contact with their own mind/body and see the natural flow of growth and love. If they know what they want and have defined their goals clearly, they will be supported by nature with unlimited energy. Greens are natural healers and communicators and need to understand their purpose in life. They can bridge and unify mind and body and show humanity that friendship, sympathy, openness, communication and heartfulness are important aspects and qualities of human life. Greens need to talk and express their feelings and thoughts to stay well and centered. They will be unhappy if they are taught to suppress their feelings and emotions. The biggest gift Greens can give themselves is to be a natural, pure and simple human being. Conversely, this is also the largest lesson they can teach and offer humanity.

[07490]

I think most of the people who have seen alot of me on stickam would believe I am that type description above. for good or for bad.

[Gilly]

Maybe numbers is a 2? That would explain why he is less volatile than unefille and I.

[07490]

I've been around for the past year. I only recently discovered my type, and had been almost every type once. I used to think I was ILE, searched through the old posts, and I can relate with Gilly when he thought he was one. And if you are Lux from socionix, I can relate. You are free to dispute my self-typing, but I feel it will be pointless. When you find your true type, you just know. And the certainty that comes with it, is a certainty which is.. well so natural. And this is what I see lacking in numbers.

Where is his certainty in his type, other than spouting phrases to make himself sound like an EIE? If he is SLE like I suppose, it is natural that he be attracted to EIEs. He would also see enough Fe (due to HA) in himself to suppose himself to be one. Religious influences would tone-down his "aggressive" impulses and make him abhor and suppress that part of himself. He also doesn't seem to have a good impression of SLEs overall, which might explain why he is so averse to being one.

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[07490]

I've been around for the past year. I only recently discovered my type, and had been almost every type once. I used to think I was ILE, searched through the old posts, and I can relate with Gilly when he thought he was one. And if you are Lux from socionix, I can relate. You are free to dispute my self-typing, but I feel it will be pointless. When you find your true type, you just know. And the certainty that comes with it, is a certainty which is.. well so natural. And this is what I see lacking in numbers.

Where is his certainty in his type, other than spouting phrases to make himself sound like an EIE? If he is SLE like I suppose, it is natural that he be attracted to EIEs. He would also see enough Fe (due to HA) in himself to suppose himself to be one. Religious influences would tone-down his "aggressive" impulses and make him abhor and suppress that part of himself. He also doesn't seem to have a good impression of SLEs overall, which might explain why he is so averse to being one.

not doubting at your ability to type people, but you just cannot follow how others in here type people, using V.I, a couple of post here and there, sure you see pattern you can usefully relate to typing people, but there are a fair amount of people here who have seen me live and in real life, they will no doubt say I am an EIE. and gilly maybe 3w2.

[unefille]

Maybe numbers is a 2? That would explain why he is less volatile than unefille and I.

Hmm...2w3 would make sense to me.

And if you are Lux from socionix, I can relate.

No, that would be ScarlettLux here, though her recent self-typing seems to be IEI-Fe again. I don't post on socionix.

You are free to dispute my self-typing, but I feel it will be pointless. When you find your true type, you just know. And the certainty that comes with it, is a certainty which is.. well so natural. And this is what I see lacking in numbers.

I don't see any need to question your self-typing (yet) -- I haven't seen much of you. Generally, the overall aloof, proclamatory tone doesn't sound un-EIE, lol. Since I don't post or visit socionix, I don't know very much about you at all. I was just asking since you stated that if numbers were EIE, your lack of ability to relate would lead you to question your self-type, whether you related to other self-typed EIEs other than numbers.

And I agree about that sense of certainty on finally getting one's type, as someone who underwent a dramatic (and somewhat public) type-reconsideration a few months ago.

[Shazaam]

Personally I think its kind of silly to suppose that numbers is not an EIE simply because he is perceived as too agreeable and "stable" compared to EIEs like myself and unefille. I think EIE is his type and I think most of this speculation is based on the fact that Beta extroverts are generally perceived as being volatile, or at least a bit edgy or off-color, and this does not apply to numbers.

I agree. I can't really see Numbers as my Identical.... and SLE? No way...EIE makes the most sense. I think si polr in EIE is way less noticeable than in ENTj. It's just...manifested differently, the Fe and Ni of EIE really helps ummm dilute it and smooth it out.

I think Numbers' polr comes out in the fact that he frequently will suddenly talk about a random topic that nobody cares about, like in the middle of a conversation he will start spouting out some crap about 'Greens' that have no relevance to anything whatsoever, he's just being dorky lol. Si-polr could be manifested this way.

[inumbra]

I think Numbers is . The second most likely type for him imo would be (not IEE). What is most apparent to me is .

I took the following passage from Socionics : Extraverted Ethics, and I happen to agree with this passage. :tongue:

Dominant at the group level is related to collective emotional experiences and serves to bind and unite people. When is at the forefront, the group is in emotional sync. People actively and externally express the group sentiments and emotional state of the moment — for example, by sharing thoughts, experiences, and stories with uncommon animation or artisticism or by mirroring group emotions (whether positive or negative) on their faces and in their body language. In this state, the collective focus is on the external mode of expression of thoughts and feelings— not on their content, sensibility, or usefulness.

Particularly the bolded is what I see as the message Numbers is trying to put forth (or rather the person I imagine he is from his posts is this sort of person). The sort of world where everyone is in touch with their passions and expressing them openly, where everyone can unite openly towards an outwardly compassionate and "good" world... I really see this as being what Numbers seems to bring forth (this sort of worldview).

Another passage:

types are people of passion. Their feelings of love and admiration, and of disgust and hatred, are "full-blown." types like to discuss these passions and to analyze and discuss their own and others' feelings — not necessarily to change them, but more to bring them out in the open and understand them in order to base one's actions on one's true passions. types strive for integrity, just as every type strives to make his base function the conscious foundation of his existence. types like to help others talk about and come to terms with their passions (strong inner sentiments) and especially enjoy it when types help structure their feelings and their causes and draw logical conclusions from them. This "structuring" does not at all have to involve a sort of "psychoanalysis session," but usually occurs spontaneously as the type responds to the type's sentiments by putting them into categories and treating them as subjects worthy of logical analysis.

The bolded also sounds "like Numbers" to me.

I think being 'agreeable' or blending with the context around you, if for the purpose of bringing everyone together again is completely fitting with and doesn't mean must be a quadra value or that one must be E9 (though I do agree it would make sense if he's 'so' first).

[Gilly]

The reason why I wrote that was to emphasize that my feeling of numbers not being EIE was so strong, to the extent that I'm willing to stake risking my own type on it.

In the end, people being a type is not about how similar or like they are to other people; that may be the best method of determining someone's type sometimes, but that's not why that type is best for them. A person who VIs like an EIE and moves like an EIE, but thinks like an LSI, is an LSI, because the theory is about how you think. Those other things can give clues, but in the end, the only thing that matters in someone actually -being- a type is that it is the best fit, the best possible explanation in the context of Socionics theory, for a person's style of thinking and perceptions of the world.

So you "risking" your type here is pretty irrelevant because your similarities or dissimilarities to numbers have absolutely nothing to do with putting each of you, individually, under the microscope, and seeing how we can best explain who you are in the "language" of Socionics.

[aestrivex]

i emphatically agree on numbers as 2w3. i also agree that the only other reasonable suggestion is ESE. i think that one of the most demonstrated attributes of numbers' is a desire for others to fill in the blanks, so to speak, of his understanding; this is one of the most prominent impressions i have of him. he also has tended to be somewhat obsessive over the desire to herald the shining beacon of a positive change towards others or to get things done for others. he also seems to have an incessant tendency to need to be around others, and like many beta extroverts does not seem to have any concept of the idea of leaving people alone once in a while.

[Brilliand]

I've been around for the past year. I only recently discovered my type, and had been almost every type once. I used to think I was ILE, searched through the old posts, and I can relate with Gilly when he thought he was one. And if you are Lux from socionix, I can relate. You are free to dispute my self-typing, but I feel it will be pointless. When you find your true type, you just know. And the certainty that comes with it, is a certainty which is.. well so natural. And this is what I see lacking in numbers.

Where is his certainty in his type, other than spouting phrases to make himself sound like an EIE? If he is SLE like I suppose, it is natural that he be attracted to EIEs. He would also see enough Fe (due to HA) in himself to suppose himself to be one. Religious influences would tone-down his "aggressive" impulses and make him abhor and suppress that part of himself. He also doesn't seem to have a good impression of SLEs overall, which might explain why he is so averse to being one.

I'll take this as casting Numbers' typing into doubt, but I don't think you've made much of a case for SLE; you've just answered some possible objections. I agree that there is a natural certainty when you know your type; however, I doubt two things: one, that this certainty can be accurately detected in others; and two, that every type will experience that (specifically, some E-types seem more likely to get such a certainty than others).

[Park]

Let's just drop it before this gets any worse. I don't want to lock this thread.

LOL, that's preposterous. Nothing really happened.

Because, unlike apparently everyone else who is posting in this thread currently, I can see that the topic is going to be completely lost in a downward negative spiral if no tourniquet is applied.

Your futuristic reasoning is pathetic.

[Park]

That's a great idea. I'm going to go through and delete all my posts. I really just wish this thread had died. Except all the stuff actually relevant to Numbers.

From an objective perspective, probably, but there are direct emotional impacts, if on no one else, then on me. And I think it's probably a bad idea to get emotionally engaged with anything on the internet.

Geez... don't you think you're taking this too far??? I really think you should calm down, but then, I don't want to be (mis)taken for imposing on your free will or something like that, so whatever....

[Park]

Btw, the SLE suggestion for numbers is laughable, almost absurd.

[Gilly]

Please drop it.

...not the numbers thing. I agree that SLE is a rather silly suggestion for him.

[Park]

Please drop it.

Drop what? Who? I can't read your mind.

[07490]

I really really dont know now, 2 stress growth intergation to 4 and 8 sounds very much unlike me and very much alike most ESE I knwo who is always stress out at work. When I work, I am a three, I bust all out and going that extra mile before burning out and i need to light up another criggettes. I definity can relate to alot of things about the two description. When I have time I would copy both the two and three and compare contrast and disect the differences.

[Park]

Numbers, come to Delta. You can be green and make absurd statements here all you want and no one will harass you about it. You'll be liked and respected for who you are and your real values will be pointed out.

[Park]

Drop what? Who? I can't read your mind.

Besides, who the f**k do you think you are to tell me to drop something? Take a hike.

[Gilly]

Drop what? Who? I can't read your mind.

Please don't direct any more messages at unefille for a little bit.

[Park]

Please don't direct any more messages at unefille for a little bit.

Says who? Her prince on the white horse? Or perhaps you think being a mod now gives you the privilege to act like a dick, eh. I decide what, when and to whom I direct. If you want to play macho do it somewhere else. Or if you think you're standing up for her, ask her how she feels about what you're doing. You might be surprised.

[Gilly]

I'm not trying to act like a dick; I'm just asking you to stop! I know I made superficial threats about locking the thread, which might sound condescending or whatever, but I'm just trying to calm things down. I'm not trying to be a knight on a white horse; I just don't want this to keep on...part of me thinks you are trolling, so forgive me if I sound somewhat restrained or pretentious or whatever, but really I just want this to stop.

[Brilliand]

Drop what? Who? I can't read your mind.

Please stop conflicting with your conflictor.

[implied]

too much heat. everyone stop, please.

[Shazaam]

No that actually doesn't make sense at all, and I think you've only further confused yourself.

Comparing somebody you vaguely know online, to your relationships in meat space, is....confusing to me.

I agree with implied, stop this- until a person can *very slowly* write out what they're really thinking, and making sure of it- because it's all just a bunch of egoic nonsense to me. You're quite simply reading too much into little crumbs of (what you think is) evidence.

'Too many people think they're thinking when they're really just re-arranging their prejudices.'

And this also explains why I personally miss Ashton and Expat's now that I think about it, and perhaps it's what I've been dual-seeking all along.

[Shazaam]

Greenantler:

Take this gentle criticism as best as possible:

You're too much of a new user (Only 15 posts) to be talking credibility about socionics. You've yet to build your reputation to adequately muse about somebody else's type, and while I understand you're trying to be helpful- you're only confusing things further.

I'm not an expert myself obviously, nobody is. Socionics isn't a pure science. However without enough study, research and funding it very well *could be*, and I would appreciate it everybody took it seriously. Otherwise why do we keep talking about it? We go from 'socionics is BS' to making these lofty claims of what we think it is. It's just all noise to me. Can somebody PLEASE give us some in this thread?

[Park]

I'm not trying to act like a dick; I'm just asking you to stop! I know I made superficial threats about locking the thread, which might sound condescending or whatever, but I'm just trying to calm things down. I'm not trying to be a knight on a white horse; I just don't want this to keep on...part of me thinks you are trolling, so forgive me if I sound somewhat restrained or pretentious or whatever, but really I just want this to stop.

Frankly, I couldn't care less for what you think or what you want, so bugger off.

[Park]

Please stop conflicting with your conflictor.

[Gilly]

Frankly I know that you're not an asshole, and I don't know why you're acting like one, so I'm just going to leave you alone for now.

[aestrivex]

isn't it great that we all think jung is ILI?

[aestrivex]

i find it truly engrossing the process of consensus building that we have engaged in to affirm unanimously the ILIness of jung.