“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
unefille, While not taking any dignity away from my Identical, which is you and me and many other EIE on here, I would like to carlify that I said it based on my own experiences with the two types. YES you are right that being a good hearted person can fit into any type, Which is why I say that through my humble observant experiences of the two type that I have met, there is more Good hearted SLI head count wise than EIE. theres seems to me that I have seem more kind hearted SLI than that of an EIE. To be very honest, I can tell you that there is so much EIE in where I live, where I work, and down the street, when I go to the supermarket, to a bar, or to the salon. I thinkis a function which is most atune and adopted to fit into the society, Your Fe ego makes you naturally becomes a part of how your society behaves. so I think that either you can be fortuned or unfortuned if you are influenced by a social norms which is filled with either grace or deep care, harmony and respectful of humanity, or vice versa if it is one that supports violence, temper outrage, manipulation and hurtful behavior becuase the society just accepts it as part of a dog eat dog world/unfair society or else you are seen as a loser, ready to be pawned. I think we can imagine that it is very hard for a kind hearted person to show so much good intention/affection in a place most condemned by it. Please look at the neigborhood or city that you live in, If one man has alot of coutesy it naturally transforms itself on to other, then that person will easily pass it on and eventually when that happen you will hear people mentioning that this part of the city is more friendlier than that, or that part of the city is more violence and so forth. So in short, I think attitude is contagious and
is something that very much naturally transfer it's energy outward and inflruence other's emotions more so than other Infromation Element. With nothing against my Identical or you or other EIES on here, I simply wants to state that I have seem some of the more ugly version of
ego dominants, therefore I made the claim that I have seem more good heart SLI than EIE heart count wise, with no intention to say that SLI are better person than EIE just so of the way both types work. I really hope you understand where I am coming from and that I would like to add that despite
function being so easily attune to its enviornment, that I do still have come across some of the best people in the world who is a Fe dominant in a place that does not value over friendliness, becuase if you do so, most people would automatically asumme you are a fish ready to be baited and easily being taken advantage of.
Without taking away anything from what you wrote there, I can't help wonder if what you're talking is in part, if not entirely, related to or enhanced by the social instinct, as opposed to Fe-ego. I can talk about my own experiences being simultaneously so-last and Fe-ego, but I don't think this is the appropriate thread for that, needless to say however, that a lot of what you wrote, especially the bolded, is alien to me, mostly because I have lived in a lot of different neighbourhoods and have neither ever necessarily adopted the values of the neighbourhood I was living, nor seen myself as 'a part of that environment' I happen to be in. I don't think Fe serves as a mechanism of transmission, whether for good or for ill, nor do I think Fe is necessarily more poised to help an individual survive in 'society'. That seems to smack of the social-instinct instead.
Last edited by unefille; 04-03-2009 at 06:30 AM.
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I have no reason to do that. My natural reaction to this statement of yours would be that you're speculating again.
You're starting your reply with a false speculation about my motives just so you later contradict yourself by denying any conjectures on your part.
So you're saying I acted inappropriately for stating my opinion? I wasn't answering for him, I was carrying out my own opinion.It's for numbers to justify his claim if he wanted to respond to me, which he has now done.
While I can understand that, I don't see how it's of any relevance here. It's inapplicable to numbers' statement, only to your interpretation.I responded to you because I simply found the implication that the quality of genuineness could vitiate the quality of absurdity or untenability in a statement to be (and here's a subjective call) bizarre. Objectively, the qualities of absurdity and genuineness are not in opposition and thus can be perfectly, mutually complementary.
So, should I like apologize for interfering into your discussion?Moreover, even if I were speculating as to numbers motivations, you are not numbers.His statement was directly related to SLI's and to one of my comments, but even if it wasn't, don't I have the freedom to state my opinion about it?
How the hell should I know that? Should I be making assumptions?I hardly proceed on the basis that everyone has the same motivations, especially given the different contexts of prior behaviours and general tendencies against which to construe any given action.
I (reasonably) considered it plausible more than I "assumed" anything, and already pointed out why.I would rarely, if ever, suspect you of flattering someone. Why be so quick to assume I would?
I really don't get why you're being so defensive about something you haven't been accused of. Did I say that you 'indiscriminately accuse people of a particular motivation'? It sounds like you're making up your own accusations.I have never done so before and there isn't any evidence that I indiscriminately accuse people of a particular motivation, irrespective of any prior conduct.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
Yes, you don't know why I'm doing what I'm doing which only leaves you with one option to take it further - to speculate, which is what you did.
At least SOME of our feelings are mutual now.but you ARE MISSING THE POINT and ARE AGGRAVATING ME.
Naturally. I wouldn't expect it to be any other way.
Ok, well thanks for not explaining the point I've missed.
Yes, ok. But you're assuming I need clarification for what "talking to a wall" naturally means/implies?![]()
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Originally Posted by Gilly
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"And the day came when the risk it took to remain closed in a bud became more painful than the risk it took to blossom." - Anaïs Nin
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
YAY FUN
HAPPY HUG HUG SHOW
HUG HUG HUG
KEEP LYING TO YOURSELVES
HUG HUG HUG
LIFE ISNT SO BAD
HUG HUG HUG
OH WAIT IT IS
SLIT SLIT SLIT
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I think this is one of those typing when people confuse EIE with SLE, I can be very hyper focus, I tried to avoid over thinking stuff, specificly Ni, in favor of sensing, the adwareness and the attention, of course I cannot do that for long since it is my 6th function? So at times people might confuse my mentality with an SLE.
Like have you ever heard of something called Oneness to the enviornment? it is basiclly a buddhism princple where there is nothing in your mind but just total shrine you and the enviornment, When you work it is like you are in a zone, you learn not to be distracted by any exterior factors, yet not focusing in anything particular you then work almost in a robotic way, and even contrary to being totally out of reality, but your mind is not thinking at all. I don't know if that is Se which I think can possibly be, but I am learning more and more to train myself to be this way.