Sarah Silverman

[Suz]

she's always seemed like someone, who if I was at a party and ended up talking to her, she would probably offend me within five minutes to the point I wouldn't want to talk to her again. The type of person where you have to fake a smile and it starts to hurt your face.

Not sure if that helps typing her or not.

I resonate with that.

I support the ILE typing. I always took issue with the IEE typing of her in the socionix gallery.

[Suz]

I can totally see the similarities between her and Ellen Degenerous, except Ellen's jokes are meant for mainstream middle america, boring housewives and such. Silverman is riding the curtails of the rasicsm comedy in America cause that country has 300 million people from all backgrounds and it's funny right now to make fun of the silly differences which is exactly what she is saying. I heard that Silverman is heavily involved in charities as well as voting issues in America.

I can't see any similarities between her and Ellen Degeneres' humor. Ellen's humor is very light and actually is very careful to not cross the line to offend anyone. It's also fairly clean. I really enjoy Ellen a lot.

Sarah Silverman is definitely a lot more cross-the-line. If it's not Fi-POLR, it has to be the Beta/Gamma edginess. Alternatively, like you mentioned, it could be the delta ST crassness -- i'd buy that. However, like you also mentioned, she seems to have a purpose with crossing the line, so in that sense Beta/Gamma may fit.

[wacey]

The similarities lie in the delivery, not the content. Ellen's career aimed at the middle of the road and Silverman's at the adult audience. I'm glad you have also noticed the Delta's ST crassness because I think they are kind of known for it.

[wacey]

Play them at the same time.

[Leader]

...anything other than entp is wrong.

[wacey]

Compare Ellen's and Silverman's Fe free delivery to Russel's Fe heavy stand-up. (science).



Or even Daniel Tosh's Beta edginess that is aimed at making fun of other people.



There is tons of self reflection from Ellen and Silverman that the Beta's seem to lack. Notice how their jokes are mostly aimed at themselves and Russel's and Daniel's at other people? Coincidence?

[wacey]

ENTp, ENFj, ENFp.

[Kim]

Or even Daniel Tosh's Beta edginess that is aimed at making fun of other people.

I want to punch his smug little face. I cannot stand the guy...obnoxious and entirely unfunny.

[xerx]

I want to punch his smug little face. I cannot stand the guy...obnoxious and entirely unfunny.

yes. esp. after that whole "rape" incident.

[Erk]

I always found her really awkward and her jokes completely unfunny. There's just no wit there, she makes an obvious statement then looks at the audience like you should just laugh because she said something.

[mu4]

I think ILE

[1981slater]

IEE

[Erk]

For the record I don't like Ellen either.

[nefnaf]

EP temperament. Merry. Seems more Beta than Alpha SLE > ILE.

Admittedly I don't know a whole lot of SLE women, so I could be way off-base here. But she does remind me of some SLE guys. Plus the ILE women I do know are totally dissimilar to her.

I always found her really awkward and her jokes completely unfunny. There's just no wit there, she makes an obvious statement then looks at the audience like you should just laugh because she said something.

That's because she is using her role function in order to be "witty." It works surprisingly often for SLE.

[silke]

IEE-Fi sp/sx

I can totally see the similarities between her and Ellen Degenerous ... I'm glad you have also noticed the Delta's ST crassness because I think they are kind of known for it.

yes, this

I can't see any similarities between her and Ellen Degeneres' humor. Ellen's humor is very light and actually is very careful to not cross the line to offend anyone. It's also fairly clean. I really enjoy Ellen a lot.

Sarah Silverman is definitely a lot more cross-the-line. If it's not Fi-POLR, it has to be the Beta/Gamma edginess. Alternatively, like you mentioned, it could be the delta ST crassness -- i'd buy that. However, like you also mentioned, she seems to have a purpose with crossing the line, so in that sense Beta/Gamma may fit.

That could be the differences of their instinct variants. Sp/sx social-last(ignoring) crudish crossing-the-line personal-value-inverting comedy of Sarah Silverman vs. So/sp social-first(mindful) preserve-the-middle-line dry-and-balanced personal-imprint-muting delivery style of Ellen. The raw and socially coarse delivery of social-lasts is easily mistaken for Fi/Fe polrs as well as Se valuing, even though 1/3rd of deltans fall under these stackings.

[JuJu]

How unfortunate that many peoples' first exposure to Socionics is, apparently, via the Socionix website.

I'm not trying to get a rise out of anyone or go to war over it, but the essence of my message is: if we start focusing on what we're actually seeing and hearing from people and the IM elements they're using rather than the type a site is telling us is correct (incorrectly, for the most part,) then this system will not only start to work for a majority of people here (for the first time since sailing across the Atlantic,) but it will be improved upon...

I never recall seeing more brain power at this forum than currently - and wouldn't it be something putting it to good use instead of spinning our wheels over disinformation..?

Before we can do that though, we must begin discerning the difference (as a group) between basic Socionics concepts... Fe vs. Fi, for example.

Again, I'm not writing this to be rude but because it saddens me deeply reading posts by clearly intelligent people, knowing they got some bad info at some point.

[darya]

I would say IEE, but I'm not sure

[aisa]

@JuJu
hmm... what is your typing of Silverman? which IM elements do you see play out in her behaviour?

[aisa]

That could be the differences of their instinct variants. Sp/sx social-last(ignoring) crudish crossing-the-line personal-value-inverting comedy of Sarah Silverman vs. So/sp social-first(mindful) preserve-the-middle-line dry-and-balanced personal-imprint-muting delivery style of Ellen. The raw and socially coarse delivery of social-lasts is easily mistaken for Fi/Fe polrs as well as Se valuing, even though 1/3rd of deltans fall under these stackings.

omg, this
it seems that Delta descriptions are tailored specifically towards sp/so and so/sp, very heavy bias

[Amber]

Entp-Ti or SLI

[Suz]

IEE-Fi sp/sx



yes, this


That could be the differences of their instinct variants. Sp/sx social-last(ignoring) crudish crossing-the-line personal-value-inverting comedy of Sarah Silverman vs. So/sp social-first(mindful) preserve-the-middle-line dry-and-balanced personal-imprint-muting delivery style of Ellen. The raw and socially coarse delivery of social-lasts is easily mistaken for Fi/Fe polrs as well as Se valuing, even though 1/3rd of deltans fall under these stackings.

This is an interesting concept. However by what you said here, I relate more to so/sp or sp/so, whereas I've always been typed sp/sx by people familiar with enneagram on this forum. (I know very little about enneagram, I admit).

[Kim]

Ellen Fi-IEE and Silverman Ne-IEE.

[The Reality Denialist]

Not very much going through the details. It seems to be bit hard for her. I think that indicates Ne base. At least it seems to be the case for me. As they come out it seems bit comical because everything is twisted through Ne. There are multiple times when I formulated an answer that came out as a metaphor which sounded very different from concrete perspective.
IEE. Reminds me a little bit about my niece. We certainly look at the world through the same lens.

It is seems to me that Fi PoLR and low shock intuition tolerance is sometimes mixed up. I have seen an EII laughing at my pretty shocking stuff when Ti component is toned down.

[wacey]

Wasn't altogether convinced she was ENTp until I saw this video. Now Im not so certain about typing her ENFp.

AF is right, Ne in ego does twist personalities up somewhat, the Ne-s all blend together because of it. I think ultimately, Sarah is no different from other ENTp comedians such as Jane Lynch, from Glee, and Chelsea Perreti, from Brooklyn 99.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

selfish narcissistic Jew that charges waaaaay waaaaaay too much for her shows lmao.

I did like what she said about how ppl are often not offended by cheap potty humor at minorities- often what offends you is more nuanced/surprising than that. If people are jealous of me, it actually hurts my feelings which is a weird thing I guess because its sort of an American expectant to be oblivious and indifferent to other people's envy- and to just go your own way narcissistically. For a lot of other people- if somebody was jealous of them- it would just make them so happy.

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

@bnd you feel misunderstood if they are jealous of you?

[Sol]

ENTJ

[Beautiful sky]

I confused her with someone else. I'll have look at interviews

[Contra]

I think IEE just because i see Delta values and don't see Fe really. Ne seems like a given at this point.

[darya]

Yeah, IEE.

[Zero11]

[Disturbed]

ILE-Ti. She seems to make good use of Ti as a creative function and some of the things she's been quoted as saying seem Fi-PoLR. She's an attractive performer, smart, has a high IQ, great at reading and talking to and provoking an audience, but I don't really watch much stand up comedy. Maybe I should but I tend to find funny things elsewhere (watching Kimberly Kane and Kelsey Obsession, for example, they're funny, quite entertaining when they do pornography).

[Disturbed]

IEE is a mind-boggling typing for Sarah Silverman. I don't see how anyone could see anything other than ILE-Ti; she is actually quite methodical while clearly valuing Si and Fe.

Nobody could ever show me an IEE who is as methodical as she is in the TED Talks video posted on the first page.

Also, IEE don't appear as feminine as she does, especially in their movements and voice control. Her movements are VERY smooth and she has excellent control of her voice; IEEs never do. ILE-Ti always have great control of their voice (and great diction), and they have sexier sounding voices than all the other types. Remember, ILE-Ti are calculating and have more self-control than any other type, that includes their voice being under control.

[kingslayer]

ILE

Alpha values

[Kernel]

Not IEE. She doesn't value Fi and she is not as spontaneous as them too. There is something fake about her (to me at least).

Not sure if EIE or ILE. But definitely Merry.

[Disturbed]

My greatest dream is to have a biological daughter just like her and without any biological engineering.