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    Cristiano Ronaldo - Hugo


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    Diego Maradona - ESTP - Zhukov


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    Leo Messi, SLI, ISTp
    Cristiano Ronaldo, EIE, ENFj
    Diego Maradona, SEE, ESFp
    Pele, ESE, ESFj
    Alfredo Distefano, SLI, ISTp
    Johann Cruyff, LSE, ESTj
    Zinedine Zidane, LSI, ISTj

    Pep Guardiola, LIE, ENTj
    Jose Mourinho, ILI, INTp
    Julen Lopetegui, SLI, ISTp
    Ernesto Valverde, SLI, ISTp
    Neymar, SLE, ESTp
    Optimus Prime, delta ST
    Grimlock, SLE, ESTp
    Donald Trump, SLE, ESTp
    Nikola Tesla, ILE, ENTp
    Thomas Edison, LSE, ESTj
    ILE "Searcher"
    Socionics: ENTp
    DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
    Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Leo Messi, SLI, ISTp
    Cristiano Ronaldo, EIE, ENFj
    Diego Maradona, SEE, ESFp
    Pele, ESE, ESFj
    Alfredo Distefano, SLI, ISTp
    Johann Cruyff, LSE, ESTj
    Zinedine Zidane, LSI, ISTj

    Pep Guardiola, LIE, ENTj
    Jose Mourinho, ILI, INTp
    Julen Lopetegui, SLI, ISTp
    Ernesto Valverde, SLI, ISTp
    Neymar, SLE, ESTp
    Optimus Prime, delta ST
    Grimlock, SLE, ESTp
    Donald Trump, SLE, ESTp
    Nikola Tesla, ILE, ENTp
    Thomas Edison, LSE, ESTj
    Neymar and Mbappe both seem Si leading, Mbappe possibly 8w9
    Mourinho - Ti ego?
    Maradona not Beta NF? Although my information on him is very limited compared to the other typings

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    the ones that i know:

    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Leo Messi, SLI, ISTp ----------AGREED!
    Cristiano Ronaldo, EIE, ENFj ------------------AGREED!
    Diego Maradona, SEE, ESFp -------------------AGREED!
    Johann Cruyff, LSE, ESTj ------------------EITHER ESTJ OR ENTJ

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    Peter Crouch - mb ILE

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    Wojciech Szczęsny - SEE
    Radja Nainggolan - SLE

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    "I'm sorry he didn't get to play, but no one knows what will happen," Zidane said.
    "If I think a player doesn't fit in the team, I have to do what I think works best.
    "No one can change what Bale has done for the team, but as a coach I have to live in the present."

    Zinedine Zidane said this today and my immediate thought was, "Is there a 16Types thread for footballers and has anyone typed him as SLI yet?"

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    Zinedine Zidane - ISTJ - Gorky




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    Quote Originally Posted by Reyne View Post
    I was going to type some footballers but seeing someone typing Gattuso ILE made me want to burn this thread.
    haha I feel you

    messi, zidane and özil are ESI. they have a very strong value system

    aubameyang, suarez, maradonna are SEE

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    Could Maradona be SLE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerxe View Post
    Could Maradona be SLE?
    hmm it could be possible for him. can you explain why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundofconfusion View Post
    hmm it could be possible for him. can you explain why?
    Admittedly, not the strongest basis for typing, but he enjoys really "strong" / offensive humour and doesn't care what other people think. Possibly relevant: he has tattoos of Fidel Castro and Che Guevara.

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    I realised that Maradona is SLI
    ILE "Searcher"
    Socionics: ENTp
    DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
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    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
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    this website has a very strange idea of Si dominant types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post


    Peter Crouch - mb ILE
    I think EII or IEI, extroverted sub, there's this affable and sensitivity about him that I think is equal to a 4D Fi type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    You people are out of your minds if you think that N types can go play soccer like that. *Trips over the ball; runs into another player; gets hit from the behind; falls and breaks a million bones.*
    The beauty of football revolves around creativity and strong imagination.

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    Ozil is definitely Beta, he's too ambitious and Ni/Fe valuing to be a Gamma.

    IEIs and EIEs can have strong value systems. He's undoubtedly beta. Probably Ni sub.

    There are plenty of Gammas in German football, not Ozil.

    Ozil, Henry and Rosicky might be the same type, supervised by Wenger (LIE)

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    Vieira is not a 4D Se type with 1D Ni, his whole playing style revolved around prophetically setting up attacks with a forward pass which requires very strong Ni. He is also very sensitive to injustices but he's not Gamma though. Weak Ni isn't capable of thought or accuracy like that. Vieira is the archetypal roaming playmaker.

    I can see EIE-Ni being Vieira's type, (I had considered IJ-Ne because of how introverted and laid back he is compared to other socionics types) but EIE introverted sub is very laid back but leaderlike. He could even be IEI but IEIs aren't usually that laid back or relaxed in a natural state.

    Gattuso is definitely ESE, Van Basten is ESE aswell.
    Deco is a logical type surely
    Pires is also Beta
    Lampard is a 4D Ne type
    Henry is ILI or IEI, but he seems to use optimism as a rule and is very lenient during punditry, also has a very visionary mentality which is very Beta like. LIE is possible too.
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    does anyone have a grasp on the german national team 2021? including the new coach (hansi flick). i was curious about our attackers especially

    (bonus if someone typed the french team too)

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    aww @Chae is back.

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    Zidane = intp
    Hansi Flick = intj
    Thierry Henry = intj
    Thomas Muller = entp
    Alphonso Davies = enfp
    Lewendowski = istp
    Kingsley Coman = istp
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    Players

    Maradonna - beta NF, leaning more towards IEI now
    Mohamed Salah - IEI
    Thomas Müller - ILE
    Cristiano Ronaldo - EIE
    Neymar - EIE
    Megan Rapinoe EIE
    Ronaldinho - SEE
    Luis Suárez - SEE
    Erling Haaland - LSI
    Zinédine Zidane - ESI
    Andrea Pirlo - ESI
    Sergio Ramos - ESI
    Messi - ESI
    David Beckham - ESI
    Mesut Özil - ESI
    Marco Reus - ESI
    Mario Götze - ESI
    Robert Lewandowski - ESI
    Manuel Neuer - ESI
    Jérôme Boateng - ESI
    Max Kruse - ESI
    Toni Kroos - ESI
    Lothar Matthäus - ESI
    Oliver Kahn - LIE


    Coaches

    Hansi Flick - ESI
    Jürgen Klopp - IEI
    Thomas Tuchel - IEI
    Joachim Löw- IEI
    Stanislaw Tschertschessow - LSI
    Andrij Schewtschenko - LSI
    Diego Simeone - SEE
    José Mourinho - ILI
    Ralf Rangnick - ILI
    Pep Guardiola - LIE
    Julian Nagelsmann - LIE
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    [QUOTE=Alive;1510321]Players

    Maradonna - beta NF probably
    Thomas Müller - ILE not sure, probably not
    Cristiano Ronaldo not sure, he is kind of a narcissist
    Neymar - EIE - IEE
    Ronaldinho - SEE - IEE
    Luis Suárez - SEE check
    Sergio Ramos - ESI check
    Messi - ESI - SLI

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    EII sounded plausible, he seemed to be a light hearted one in the pitch.
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    Hm, what about Se-base for Ronaldo?
    I thought Beta would be quite fitting probably.
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    Deco somewhat strikes me as an SLI more, his style of play a bit reminds me of Pirlo for some reasons, who allegedly is one too.
    Not sure about Henry, but during the times when he was active as a football player, TeFi valuing was quite obvious. He didn't seem to be as "hierarchical" as Beta type. And his coaching style also somewhat resembles Wenger's; effective, pragmatic, but still attractive.
    Lampard could be ILE but I can see why LIE also is possible for him.
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    Recoba is the most obvious IEI I have seen.

    He could have been one of the most renowned players ever but he was extremely lazy in and out of the field and missed lots of training sessions. If he wasn't a fan favorite and a friend of the president of the club at the time, he would have been sacked way earlier in his career. Still, in his prime he was such a beauty to watch.

    From his Wikipedia page
    Despite his talent, Recoba was often injury-prone throughout his career, and was also criticised for his poor work-rate and inconsistency, which has led pundits and managers to accuse him of not fulfilling his potential.

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    [QUOTE=Lincatrope;1510989]
    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    Players
    Messi - ESI - SLI
    I think Mats Hummels is an SLI, but he's a german player. Messi recently got a deal with some crypto company I think. soccer has become very gamma. it's all about money. sheikh's owning clubs, sponsorships everywhere etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roww roww roww ur boaat View Post
    Kevin de bruyne LII
    This I suspected as well.

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    "De Bruyne is widely regarded as one of the best players in the world, and he has often been described as a "complete" footballer. Considered to be a versatile and highly talented player in the media, he plays mainly as a*central*or an*attacking midfielder*but can also operate in several other positions, and has been used as a*winger*or*second striker; he has even been deployed in a*deeper creative midfield position, or even in a*box-to-box role*on occasion, or as a*false 9. He is often described by pundits as one of the best and most complete modern day*advanced playmakers, due to his technique, skill, athleticism, work-rate off the ball, vision,*crossing*accuracy, wide range of passing, and powerful long-range shooting ability with either foot."

    That doesn't sound like Se PolR at all

    De Bruyne was the Official Ambassador for the 2014 Special Olympics in Antwerp and posed as part of the 'Would you still be my fan if I looked like this?' advertising campaign. ") as a person with Down syndrome.

    Hmm mb IEI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roww roww roww ur boaat View Post
    HAHA, I knew what you were going to post before I opened it, yeah.

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    I mean as an LII, the last thing I would like to do is to talk. I relate more to someone like paul dirac.

    Dirac was reserved by nature. He didn't mind keeping quiet in company and only giving very taciturn answers to questions, committed to a strict love of truth, of which numerous anecdotes were common. At the venerable St. John's College, Dirac's fellow students even named a new unit of measure after the crooked bird: a Dirac is the smallest imaginable number of words that a linguistically gifted person utters on average in the company of others - one per hour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roww roww roww ur boaat View Post
    Was asking for this video specifically felt like it highlighted Se polr. Not sure how your post necessarily disprove SE polr but im no socionics expert. What would you type him?
    My guess was IEI. The Problem I have as LII is the very poor perception of reality due to low Se, which you at least need to value somewhat as a central figure in a team. When I played soccer as a kid, I was mostly playing as a striker, waiting for opportunities
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roww roww roww ur boaat View Post
    Was asking for this video specifically felt like it highlighted Se polr.
    It did. Both you and me understand it. Alive is being silly. ILI/IEI wouldn't find it as offensive that people are trying to move them physically or stop them. Besides it seemed to me that Kevin really wanted to clarify something with the ref or whoever he was seeking, he didn't want to get physical. I don't know him personally but he is not the type of a player that usually creates problems or disrespects officials or anyone on the field.

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    One of his distinctive traits is that you can physically move him to the right or to the left. The IEI does not resist physical force, unless it's too crude and rough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roww roww roww ur boaat View Post
    Don't know if it's good to use portrait like that?
    Tell me if you see it.
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    Sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roww roww roww ur boaat View Post
    The individual tends to overreact to aggressive or confrontational behavior, taking it as a personal threat when it may only be a knee-jerk reaction or the result of a bad mood.

    He tends to avoid intruding on others' space or engaging in behavior that may be perceived as coercive, and tries hard to handle his needs by being disciplined and well-prepared himself - rather than relying on others to do things for him. If these strategies fail, his efforts at dealing with the resulting conflict make him look actively pushy in a way that appears awkward and unnatural to others. This opens him up to painful criticism and feelings of weakness and helplessness.

    He is able to moralize and instruct others about what they should do and why, but he is not prepared for others' active resistance or refusal to do as he says. In his mind, this would require him to put aside reason and good feelings and simply make the other person do what is necessary. This is extremely difficult, if not impossible, for him to do.


    The only reason that video blew up and everyone found it funny it's cause it's actually De bruyne. Misunderstanding emotion being let out and confrontation happens often in football but for debruyne it's rare and everyone saw how he handled it, he was overreacting and it came out awkwardly and they made fun of him lol.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roww roww roww ur boaat View Post
    I see, i was also more confortable playing striker waiting for opportunities but not just striker. I could press well i felt like i had good timing to know when to press seing how to approach a player and when he is uncomfortable. Could push the ball on counter attack if there is space, pass the ball to who's open. Everything was revolved around seing what the team need at the moment i felt like the fact that i wasn't there SE grounded but more analyzing really helped a lot. The way soccer is set help Type like LII imo cause pitch is big you can observe everything see the patterns ect and you have all this time to analyze and see what's really happening, compared to basketball for example who's so fast paced and you have a player on you at all time pressuring you. You need top reflex there and can't afford to not be there.

    De bruyne is a central piece in a way where he doesn't need the ball all the time you watch him sometime you forget he is there but he has a very good timing and always make the right choice. He is important cause of how many things he can do on the pitch, he is complete but it's how intelligent, he is with his decision making. You will not remember him by how much he actually did on the pitch and how much you saw him, you won't always see him idk if you get me but when he touch the ball it's always good that's how you remember him and he is a central piece in that way he help the team a lot by making always the right move at right time.

    Also i can ask you but was you the type to go 1v1 on the wing or try to go at player directly with skills and pace overpower them? Cause ik i was terrible at this and you watch debruyne he rarely does it in game he just use space and opportunities if he see a way and he is technical.

    I feel like winger is really more where having low SE would penalize you it's fast paced, lot of direct 1v1 we ask you to really push and put pressure it's basically a dual on the wing and you're by yourself.
    I played both positions but I agree with you, I like creating opportunities and setting up others to score. It comes naturally to me. When I played as a striker I still set up goals for other players. Also, I'm a tactics nerd so even as a player I played more strategically than the average player.

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