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    Quote Originally Posted by Roww roww roww ur boaat View Post
    Was asking for this video specifically felt like it highlighted Se polr. Not sure how your post necessarily disprove SE polr but im no socionics expert. What would you type him?
    My guess was IEI. The Problem I have as LII is the very poor perception of reality due to low Se, which you at least need to value somewhat as a central figure in a team. When I played soccer as a kid, I was mostly playing as a striker, waiting for opportunities

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roww roww roww ur boaat View Post
    Was asking for this video specifically felt like it highlighted Se polr.
    It did. Both you and me understand it. Alive is being silly. ILI/IEI wouldn't find it as offensive that people are trying to move them physically or stop them. Besides it seemed to me that Kevin really wanted to clarify something with the ref or whoever he was seeking, he didn't want to get physical. I don't know him personally but he is not the type of a player that usually creates problems or disrespects officials or anyone on the field.

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    I see, i was also more confortable playing striker waiting for opportunities but not just striker. I could press well i felt like i had good timing to know when to press seing how to approach a player and when he is uncomfortable. Could push the ball on counter attack if there is space, pass the ball to who's open. Everything was revolved around seing what the team need at the moment i felt like the fact that i wasn't there SE grounded but more analyzing really helped a lot. The way soccer is set help Type like LII imo cause pitch is big you can observe everything see the patterns ect and you have all this time to analyze and see what's really happening, compared to basketball for example who's so fast paced and you have a player on you at all time pressuring you. You need top reflex there and can't afford to not be there.

    De bruyne is a central piece in a way where he doesn't need the ball all the time you watch him sometime you forget he is there but he has a very good timing and always make the right choice. He is important cause of how many things he can do on the pitch, he is complete but it's how intelligent, he is with his decision making. You will not remember him by how much he actually did on the pitch and how much you saw him, you won't always see him idk if you get me but when he touch the ball it's always good that's how you remember him and he is a central piece in that way he help the team a lot by making always the right move at right time.

    Also i can ask you but was you the type to go 1v1 on the wing or try to go at player directly with skills and pace overpower them? Cause ik i was terrible at this and you watch debruyne he rarely does it in game he just use space and opportunities if he see a way and he is technical.

    I feel like winger is really more where having low SE would penalize you it's fast paced, lot of direct 1v1 we ask you to really push and put pressure it's basically a dual on the wing and you're by yourself.
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    The individual tends to overreact to aggressive or confrontational behavior, taking it as a personal threat when it may only be a knee-jerk reaction or the result of a bad mood.

    He tends to avoid intruding on others' space or engaging in behavior that may be perceived as coercive, and tries hard to handle his needs by being disciplined and well-prepared himself - rather than relying on others to do things for him. If these strategies fail, his efforts at dealing with the resulting conflict make him look actively pushy in a way that appears awkward and unnatural to others. This opens him up to painful criticism and feelings of weakness and helplessness.

    He is able to moralize and instruct others about what they should do and why, but he is not prepared for others' active resistance or refusal to do as he says. In his mind, this would require him to put aside reason and good feelings and simply make the other person do what is necessary. This is extremely difficult, if not impossible, for him to do.


    The only reason that video blew up and everyone found it funny it's cause it's actually De bruyne. Misunderstanding emotion being let out and confrontation happens often in football but for debruyne it's rare and everyone saw how he handled it, he was overreacting and it came out awkwardly and they made fun of him lol.

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    Forgot to quote @Alive @Ryan

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    Don't know if it's good to use portrait like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roww roww roww ur boaat View Post
    Don't know if it's good to use portrait like that?
    Tell me if you see it.
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    Sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roww roww roww ur boaat View Post
    The individual tends to overreact to aggressive or confrontational behavior, taking it as a personal threat when it may only be a knee-jerk reaction or the result of a bad mood.

    He tends to avoid intruding on others' space or engaging in behavior that may be perceived as coercive, and tries hard to handle his needs by being disciplined and well-prepared himself - rather than relying on others to do things for him. If these strategies fail, his efforts at dealing with the resulting conflict make him look actively pushy in a way that appears awkward and unnatural to others. This opens him up to painful criticism and feelings of weakness and helplessness.

    He is able to moralize and instruct others about what they should do and why, but he is not prepared for others' active resistance or refusal to do as he says. In his mind, this would require him to put aside reason and good feelings and simply make the other person do what is necessary. This is extremely difficult, if not impossible, for him to do.


    The only reason that video blew up and everyone found it funny it's cause it's actually De bruyne. Misunderstanding emotion being let out and confrontation happens often in football but for debruyne it's rare and everyone saw how he handled it, he was overreacting and it came out awkwardly and they made fun of him lol.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roww roww roww ur boaat View Post
    I see, i was also more confortable playing striker waiting for opportunities but not just striker. I could press well i felt like i had good timing to know when to press seing how to approach a player and when he is uncomfortable. Could push the ball on counter attack if there is space, pass the ball to who's open. Everything was revolved around seing what the team need at the moment i felt like the fact that i wasn't there SE grounded but more analyzing really helped a lot. The way soccer is set help Type like LII imo cause pitch is big you can observe everything see the patterns ect and you have all this time to analyze and see what's really happening, compared to basketball for example who's so fast paced and you have a player on you at all time pressuring you. You need top reflex there and can't afford to not be there.

    De bruyne is a central piece in a way where he doesn't need the ball all the time you watch him sometime you forget he is there but he has a very good timing and always make the right choice. He is important cause of how many things he can do on the pitch, he is complete but it's how intelligent, he is with his decision making. You will not remember him by how much he actually did on the pitch and how much you saw him, you won't always see him idk if you get me but when he touch the ball it's always good that's how you remember him and he is a central piece in that way he help the team a lot by making always the right move at right time.

    Also i can ask you but was you the type to go 1v1 on the wing or try to go at player directly with skills and pace overpower them? Cause ik i was terrible at this and you watch debruyne he rarely does it in game he just use space and opportunities if he see a way and he is technical.

    I feel like winger is really more where having low SE would penalize you it's fast paced, lot of direct 1v1 we ask you to really push and put pressure it's basically a dual on the wing and you're by yourself.
    I played both positions but I agree with you, I like creating opportunities and setting up others to score. It comes naturally to me. When I played as a striker I still set up goals for other players. Also, I'm a tactics nerd so even as a player I played more strategically than the average player.

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    I'm very tired so not really focused but de bruyne seems more like an IxFx type to me, maybe with a dominant or creative subtype. His ex girlfriend cheated on him with a teammate and he still decided to continue playing with that guy. He seems very passive overall. Not like a coldblooded logical type.

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    Pique who just apparently cheated on Shakira. Thought he was ILE but don't know much

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    I take back a couple of ESI typings that I've made here. watched more interviews and one thing that I noticed is that soccer players really aren't that interesting to listen to. I made these typings long ago, so I'm unsure about them. I'm convinced now that Zinédine Zidane and Lionel Messi are IEI, though

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    Revisiting this thread after many years. Member 1981slater did a great job and typed correctly many players, but made some mistakes. I corrected almost all of them and I'm correcting a few more below:

    Mourinho, who I believed was LIE, I'm starting to question it. He is too grumbling, too intense, too material, too conservative, his defensive, orthodox style is extremely contrasting to high-risk, full-emcompassing-of-possibilities LIE style such as that from Cruyff and Guardiola. I believe Mourinho is probably LSE or an aggressive subtype of SLI. I'm still unsure, but I realized he is probably Sensory. As for someone's hypothesis for another typing, Mou has all elements of your typical neurotic Te Ego: rigid, cold, ironic, critical, authoritative, etc. Now, he has a tendency to be very grumbling and whining, which is typical of Delta STs, and not very particular of LIEs, who are described as positive-minded optimists who take negative things from the positive side. (When Guardiola loses, he always uses that as motivation, and says how "difficult" it is to win, etc, never in a self-defeating manner. He believes in future prospects, while Mourinho gets stuck in the past and present struggles - this could be a sign of weak intuition, along with his known lack of adaptation to modern tactics and coaching and him being stuck on his methods and style that worked great in the past - but not nearly as great in the last 10 years).

    Regarding Neymar, as another member mentioned, just watch any interview from him. He has a lot of difficulty to articulate thoughts, he never gives opinions on anything (something that is very criticized in his own country Brazil), showing that his perception of reality and his Logic are quite weak. He lives mostly enjoying little pleasures of life (comfort, nerdy videogames, women, and his friends - quite Alpha quadra). He is very emotional, sensitive, and says he wants to retire young because of 1) the criticism (Introverts are also often the most sensitive to media criticism. Extraverts have bigger Egos and can handle them more confidently) and 2) because he wants long vacations, he hates work (Te PoLR?). He says he wants to play in the MLS, a league that has like 5 months of off-season. Very Si thing. He wants things easy and soft, without tensions, grinding and pressure. SLE? Never. Neymar is an arrogant subtype of SEI. (Not all SEIs are humble softies, even though it's the tendency). Neymar also doesn't have that particular physical aggression and strenght of Se. He is extremely skinny and fragile physically, always jumping making lots of drama (Fe) and getting injured because of his weak bones. Se Base? Nope. An interesting coincidence is Marco Reus, another Si Base (SLI), is always getting injured as well, very fragile. Se according to Jung in Psychological Types is the function associated with physical vitality. One could compare Neymar to Ronaldinho (SEE), but the extreme drama (Fe), the physical fragility (weak Se), and the penchant for nerdiness (Ne) puts him in the SEI sphere, even though SEI and SEE can behave in similar fashion. After all they're very similar, dichotomy-function-wise.

    *Disclaimer: people in Socionics classify as Se Ego all those who behave in assertive, confrontational fashion, but that is not always the case. There are a few Si Egos and even Ne Base types who can act tough, appearing similar to Se Egos. This will happen often with people from latin cultures, who have a tendency to more emotional and intense behavior)

    Some new corrections:

    Pelé SEE
    Kaká EII
    Ibrahimovic LSI >
    Batistuta SLI >
    Di María ESI >
    Aubameyang ESI
    Mascherano LSI
    Antonio Conte LSI

    Latter I'll give some brand typings for young players and others that weren't typed in this thread. By the way, these typing lists made by these other recent members were totally off, maybe like 5% of accuracy, something very very bad. You guys should re-visit VI, and study more about the theory. 1981slater's typings, as a comparison, were way superior.
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    I mean, Andrea Pirlo is a very interesting guy, but Zidane won Euro 2000 with phantom express roulette arsenal penetrating and zapping all resistance.
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    Some great intuitive midfielders:

    Pirlo - EII - INFj



    Kaká - EII - INFj

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    New young stars:

    Erling Haaland - LSI - ISTj



    Kevin De Bruyne - EII - INFj


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    Kylian Mbappé - ESI - ISFj




    Vinicius Jr - ESI - ISFj



    Kai Havertz - EIE - ENFj



    Paulo Dybala - EIE - ENFj




    Ngolo Kanté - SEE - ESFp



    Son - EII - INFj



    Harry Kane - EII - INFj >



    Gavi - ESI - ISFj


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    Mohamed Salah - ESE - ESFj



    Christian Eriksen - SEI - ISFp



    Marcus Rashford - ESI - ISFj



    Jordan Henderson - IEE - ENFp


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    Intuitives in football are mostly in the midfield sector. This happens probably because intuitives have inferior athleticism compared to their sensory counterparts, which makes it difficult to compete at the highest level in most positions. However, in the midfield, intuitives can find a competitive advantage, thanks to a great "reading" of the game: making perfectly calculated passes while projecting future possible outcomes of those passes - a valuable skill which compensates for their lack of athleticism. See in De Bruyne, Pirlo, Deco, Kroos, Henderson.

    Van Djik - LSI - ISTj



    Mané - SEE - ESFp



    Alisson - IEE - ENFp



    Eduardo Camavinga - SEE - ESFp



    Rodrygo - ESI - ISFj



    Ansu Fati - ESI - ISFj



    Federico Valverde - LSI - ISTj



    Diego - Bundesliga Best Player 2007 - IEE - ENFp



    John Dahl Tomasson - Danish Player of the Year 2002; 2004 - LSI - ISTj



    Gianfranco Zola - Chelsea legend - ILE - ENTp

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    Rui Costa - SEE - ESFp



    Francesco Totti - LSI - ISTj



    Javier Zanetti - SLI - ISTp



    Fabio Cannavarro - LSI - ISTj



    David Beckham - LSI - ISTj



    Didier Drogba - SEE - ESFp



    Van Nistelrooy - SLE - ESTp



    Alessandro Del Piero - SLI - ISTp



    Roy Makaay - ESI - ISFj



    Steven Gerrard - ESI - ISFj



    Frank Lampard - ESI - ISFj



    Frank Ribery - SLI - ISTp



    Arjen Robben - SLI - ISTp



    Ryan Giggs - SLI - ISTp



    Damien Duff - LSE - ESTj


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    Patrick Vieira - SEE - ESFp



    Thierry Henry - ESI - ISFj



    Dennis Bergkamp - LSI - ISTj



    Kun Aguero - ESE - ESFj



    David Silva - ESI - ISFj



    Antonio Cassano - ESE - ESFj



    Roy Keane - SLI - ISTp



    Carlo Ancelotti - IEE - ENFp



    Sir Alex Ferguson - LSI - ISTj



    Mauricio Pochettino - IEE - ENFp



    Thomas Tuchel - SLI - ISTp



    Jurgen Klopp - ILE - ENTp >



    Massimiliano Allegri - SLI - ISTp



    Erik Ten Hag - LSI - ISTj



    Hansi Flick - LSE - ESTj (Logical subtype)



    José Mourinho - LSE - ESTj (Sensory subtype)

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