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    Default I am Numbers and I am an ENFp

    HI, my name is numbers and I am a delta, an ENFP. This is not a "joking" thread becuase I think I am FI>Fe. I sometimes can relate so much as an Enneagram 1. I see the world, and the snapshot of a picture, and most of the time I see what is wrong with the picture, and how it can be so much better morally. Maybe it's due in part of Enneagram type, but I think Betas value are not what I am looking for? It can be I just a weird Beta, or that I am susposely a delta, their vaules are MY value.

    Anyone have any opinion please share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    I was the original ENFp turncoat, even if only Brill believes me.

    Describe this Fi > Fe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gulanzon View Post
    I was the original ENFp turncoat, even if only Brill believes me.

    Describe this Fi > Fe.
    Gulanzon, this description

    "It is often hard to assign words to the values used to make introverted Feeling judgments since they are often associated with images, feeling tones, and gut reactions more than words. As a cognitive process, it often serves as a filter for information that matches what is valued, wanted, or worth believing in. There can be a continual weighing of the situational worth or importance of everything and a patient balancing of the core issues of peace and conflict in life’s situations. We engage in the process of introverted Feeling when a value is compromised and we think, “Sometimes, some things just have to be said.” On the other hand, most of the time this process works “in private” and is expressed through actions. It helps us know when people are being fake or insincere or if they are basically good. It is like having an internal sense of the “essence” of a person or a project and reading fine distinctions among feeling tones. "

    Over this,

    "The process of extraverted Feeling often involves a desire to connect with (or disconnect from) others and is often evidenced by expressions of warmth (or displeasure) and self-disclosure. The “social graces,” such as being polite, being nice, being friendly, being considerate, and being appropriate, often revolve around the process of extraverted Feeling. Keeping in touch, laughing at jokes when others laugh, and trying to get people to act kindly to each other also involve extraverted Feeling. Using this process, we respond according to expressed or even unexpressed wants and needs of others. We may ask people what they want or need or self-disclose to prompt them to talk more about themselves. This often sparks conversation and lets us know more about them so we can better adjust our behavior to them. Often with this process, we feel pulled to be responsible and take care of others’ feelings, sometimes to the point of not separating our feelings from theirs. We may recognize and adhere to shared values, feelings, and social norms to get along."
    (D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    strrrng? Being nice and friendly?

    Alpha and Beta have different Fe, just as Gamma and Delta have different Fi.

    Buuuuuuuut, I'm going to shut up now, since I'm a Socionics dunce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 07490 View Post
    "The process of extraverted Feeling often involves a desire to connect with (or disconnect from) others and is often evidenced by expressions of warmth (or displeasure) and self-disclosure. The “social graces,” such as being polite, being nice, being friendly, being considerate, and being appropriate, often revolve around the process of extraverted Feeling. Keeping in touch, laughing at jokes when others laugh, and trying to get people to act kindly to each other also involve extraverted Feeling. Using this process, we respond according to expressed or even unexpressed wants and needs of others. We may ask people what they want or need or self-disclose to prompt them to talk more about themselves. This often sparks conversation and lets us know more about them so we can better adjust our behavior to them. Often with this process, we feel pulled to be responsible and take care of others’ feelings, sometimes to the point of not separating our feelings from theirs. We may recognize and adhere to shared values, feelings, and social norms to get along."
    Where did you get this? It sounds like what I do. I just lose myself to it a lot of the time. The only thing that's not true is that I suck at keeping in touch.

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    Sure, I got it from http://www.cognitiveprocesses.com?

    It is function written by Jung, But i find it to be very correct that fits into Information element.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    My understanding is that the Jungian description of functions is slightly different from the Socionics versions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 07490 View Post
    "It is often hard to assign words to the values used to make introverted Feeling judgments since they are often associated with images, feeling tones, and gut reactions more than words. As a cognitive process, it often serves as a filter for information that matches what is valued, wanted, or worth believing in. There can be a continual weighing of the situational worth or importance of everything and a patient balancing of the core issues of peace and conflict in life’s situations. We engage in the process of introverted Feeling when a value is compromised and we think, “Sometimes, some things just have to be said.” On the other hand, most of the time this process works “in private” and is expressed through actions. It helps us know when people are being fake or insincere or if they are basically good. It is like having an internal sense of the “essence” of a person or a project and reading fine distinctions among feeling tones. "
    This is not a socionics description of Fi: it is MBTI/Linda Berendsen (and as most MBTI/Jungian/Berendesen descriptions of functions, very vague and prone to Forer Effect). And referring to the first sentence, that's nonsense: a true IEE has no trouble at all elaborating about their Fi values (although the account can be somewhat lengthy).
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    Numbers, do you have a video of yourself somewhere? I've seen only one picture of you, and that's didn't give me an EP feel.
    “I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking

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    There is no way in hell numbers is delta. He needs to get his head out of his ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 07490 View Post
    This is not a "joking" thread becuase I think I am FI>Fe. I sometimes can relate so much as an Enneagram 1. I see the world, and the snapshot of a picture, and most of the time I see what is wrong with the picture, and how it can be so much better morally. Maybe it's due in part of Enneagram type, but I think Betas value are not what I am looking for? It can be I just a weird Beta, or that I am susposely a delta, their vaules are MY value.

    Anyone have any opinion please share.
    Eh, how do you feel about Se v Si? What does being E1 have to do with anything? I mean, I'm pretty negative (though an optimist) about most things in that when I consider anything, the first thing that comes to mind are the deficiencies, the ways in which it is less than what it should be -- not really seeing the relationship to being Fi-valuing. How do you understand Beta values and why do you clash with them? And why is E1 in any way 'Delta'? Just some questions...I don't have an opinion on your type, but your post raised more questions than it gave a justification for being IEE over EIE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 07490 View Post
    Gulanzon, this description

    ~~washed up pseudo-jungian descriptions~~
    Those descriptions are pretty much what I described^ behavioral myers-briggs contrivances. They do -not- shed any significant light on the internal cognitive processes that go on with functions IMO, and actually mislead people more often than not (i.e. "I'm so friendly and accommodating, I must be Fe").

    Quote Originally Posted by Gulanzon View Post
    strrrng? Being nice and friendly?
    lol, exactly.

    Alpha and Beta have different Fe, just as Gamma and Delta have different Fi.
    Yup. Which is why mbti descriptions are inane.

    Buuuuuuuut, I'm going to shut up now, since I'm a Socionics dunce.
    No I'm feeling nice. Speak.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gulanzon View Post
    My understanding is that the Jungian description of functions is slightly different from the Socionics versions.
    It is, but IMO his stuff is much more fundamental and representative of the psychic aspect of functions, rather than the ostensible manifestations in communication and behavior.


    *Again* simply because the name of someone doesn't specifically fall within the delineated paradigm of a certain *theory* does not mean that the phenomena which each of those theorists is/was referring to does not overlap. This is a general message, not a criticism of you, gulanzon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    No I'm feeling nice. Speak.
    Beta egos <3

    I wasn't actually thinking about any lashback from you, but I can pretend to be scared and submissive if you want!



    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    ... rather than the ostensible manifestations in communication and behavior.
    No, I want Te. Screw your PoLR!

    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    *Again* simply because the name of someone doesn't specifically fall within the delineated paradigm of a certain *theory* does not mean that the phenomena which each of those theorists is/was referring to does not overlap. This is a general message, not a criticism of you, gulanzon.
    Ah, paragraphing, how you minimize ambiguity~

    My point was more that the two theories shouldn't be used in conjunction with eachother at face value. Reading the Fe description made me think "...but this is Fi "

    (Hence the comment about my Socionics fail )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gulanzon View Post
    Beta egos <3

    I wasn't actually thinking about any lashback from you, but I can pretend to be scared and submissive if you want!
    How about e-slapping me and telling me what a bitch I am. My coffee high is kicking in.

    No, I want Te. Screw your PoLR!
    Sigh.

    Ah, paragraphing, how you minimize ambiguity~
    lol

    My point was more that the two theories shouldn't be used in conjunction with eachother at face value. Reading the Fe description made me think "...but this is Fi "
    I agree, generally. Conflating the theories will only amplify the distortion. And your example illustrates that.

    (Hence the comment about my Socionics fail )
    Looks like you've proved me wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    Sigh.
    Shut up, foo'! Get off your damn cloud and back to the real world! You think I have time to watch you faffing about trying to provoke people? I don't! I am sick of your games! So shut up and move!

    (Because SLEs are too logical to use emotion. They express in force!)

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