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    What Ni offers. Ni base types are able to consider the potential outcome of a situation, and use this to reign in on the impulse of the Se base type. They are able to bring an element of wisdom to the Se base's total certainty in what the Se base type believes is basically the Truth (potentially more relevant to the SLE than to the SEE). The Ni base type knows when it's a good idea for the Se base type to hold back, and offers counsel at these times, which the Se base type, who trusts the Ni base type in their confidence about the future, willingly accepts.

    What Se offers. Se base types are able to kick start Ni base types into action in a way which keeps them motivated for a prolonged amount of time. They can put an end to the Ni base type's dithering in their thinking, and will often quell unnecessary uncertainty, or haziness when a decision must be made. The Se base type knows when it's a good idea to act, and the Ni base type will gladly accept the Se base type's plan of action, knowing (using their Ni) that it will be fruitful in the long run.

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    Ezra's description makes Se base types sound like children to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    I don't really consider Se types to be reckless or acting impulsively like you're describing at all. In contrast, I think Se has a lot to do with self-control. I know when to or when not to act rather instinctually.
    More or less. If anything, it is the Ni ego types (especially Ni-ENxjs) who would be likely to engage in said behavior, due to not having precise control over that function. I have never met any ESxps, let alone ISxjs, regardless of subtype, who had issues with impulsivity, lack of foresight, or over-exertion of willpower ("issues" meaning anything that is excessive, in comparison to other types).

    Again, it is more often than not the ESxjs who engage in the sort of emphasized environmental control and such. Actual Se egos don't feel the need to really exert any "force" or control unless necessary, as they already feel pretty much in control, due to the nature of how they process the environment.

    Quote Originally Posted by DeAnte View Post
    Ezra's description makes Se base types sound like children to me.
    lol. It resembles more of some crazy ESFj who won't shut the fuck up.
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    I want to point out that Ezra's description was careful in it's reference to "Se base" types, meaning SLE and SEE specifically. Just so it isn't forgotten.

    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    More or less. If anything, it is the Ni ego types (especially Ni-ENxjs) who would be likely to engage in said behavior, due to not having precise control over that function.
    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    Again, it is more often than not the ESxjs who engage in the sort of emphasized environmental control and such. Actual Se egos don't feel the need to really exert any "force" or control unless necessary, as they already feel pretty much in control, due to the nature of how they process the environment.
    I was thinking myself that the description in the OP might be just as relevant to ESTj-INFj relationship as the types Ezra was refering to. Mostly because I can see how the Fi/Ne functions can naturally help with this. And I agree with the bolded parts due to real life observations.

    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    lol. It resembles more of some crazy ESFj who won't shut the fuck up.
    lol, I wouldn't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeAnte View Post
    I want to point out that Ezra's description was careful in it's reference to "Se base" types, meaning SLE and SEE specifically. Just so it isn't forgotten.
    Yeah. There's definitely a more deliberate feel to the way ISxjs go about their Se-usage; and the Se-subs tend to have a very controlled reactivity to them. I find my duals and semi-duals refreshing because of the adaptability they bring to interactions.

    I was thinking myself that the description in the OP might be just as relevant to ESTj-INFj relationship as the types Ezra was refering to. Mostly because I can see how the Fi/Ne functions can naturally help with this. And I agree with the bolded parts due to real life observations.
    Interesting you say that, lol. I completely agree. That dyad is the perfect example of some cavalier dude getting pulled in and put into place by a quiet, stabilizing force.

    There is an irony one finds when they consider the people who have promoted these stereotypes with the highest frequency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    Again, it is more often than not the ESxjs who engage in the sort of emphasized environmental control and such. Actual Se egos don't feel the need to really exert any "force" or control unless necessary, as they already feel pretty much in control, due to the nature of how they process the environment.
    This has been my experience as well and I think it makes sense. It is funny to see the difference in emphasis between SEEs and SLEs though. That whole Fi thing! I often get annoyed with how my mom (SEE) talks to or about an SLE friend. I know she doesn't mean any harm but she'll often say things that seem irrelevant to me. He doesn't ever seem bothered by it though. But to me it looks like she's judging him. I'd definitely say he's the more cool and collected and less impulsive of the two.

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    My ESE mother
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    my mom (SEE)
    Whoa, Fe leading turned into Se all of a sudden. Let's talk about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeAnte View Post
    Whoa, Fe leading turned into Se all of a sudden. Let's talk about it.
    lol @ you remembering and somehow digging up that very, very old post.

    I've been typing my mom as SEE for a long time now. I had no clue what I was talking about when I made that post. I didn't know the first thing about socionics then, though I'm no expert now. There is no way my mom is ESE! My grandma, on the other hand....

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