No waySLE-Ti:1wX
To be honest I am not even sure six exist for them.
No waySLE-Ti:1wX
To be honest I am not even sure six exist for them.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
Originally Posted by Jarno
Sure it does.
Any type can be a Six, counterphobia's the reason why. Beta STs could easily be counterphobic.Other Sixes adopt the opposite strategy of dealing with fear, and become counterphobic, essentially taking a defiant stand against whatever they find threatening. This is the Six who takes on authority or who adopts a dare devil attitude towards physical danger. Counterphobic Sixes can be agressive and, rather than looking for authorities, can adopt a rebellious or anti-authoritarian demeanor. Counterphobic Sixes are often unaware of the fear that motivates their actions.
What do these signs mean—,
, etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason,
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function(extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
You have any real life people example? I would gladly take a look.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
I'll get back to you on that one, but from a theoretical perspective wouldn't an attitude of charging head-on against anything that provokes fear or anxiety sound like a very Beta-ST attitude?
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
Generally, I don't think it's a good idea to base socionics 's type attitude with Ennegaram type. I know people here have said EIE with Fe ego can mostly likely be two, or ISFj with Se ego describe an eight, and so far. But I have never met any of those types in real life, that's when I think concrete evidences measures up.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
Isn't that a good example of Ti acknowledging the need for Te in real life? Nevermind...
"Everyone carries a shadow, and the less it is embodied in the individual’s conscious life, the blacker and denser it is.
At all counts, it forms an unconscious snag, thwarting our most well-meant intentions."
C. G. Jung
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Potentially, any Socionics type could equate to any Enneagram type, as they are two separate systems. The same is true with MBTI, Keirsey and any other separate style of Jungian typology, but people have a harder time buying it. :wink: What I'm doing here is equating a given Socionics type with E-types that are likely to correspond to it.
Besides, your initial statement (which if I'm not mistaken was along the lines of "SLEs can't be 6") would be correlating Socionics to Enneagram, no?
As a general rule though, any type that can be 8 can be counter-phobic 6. They're very similar (I actually mistook my counter-phobic cousin for 8w7 once). Incidentally, said cousin is a good real-life example of a Beta ST Six (LSI-Se, 6w7 sp/so), but you don't know her so it doesn't work.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
I definity don't buy this, maybe for Meyer briggs but not for socionics, one socionic type can only be a few enneagram types, not all.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
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