I could be either. Who knows. Who cares.
Why do most assume I am SLE-Ti?
I could be either. Who knows. Who cares.
QFTOriginally Posted by Ezra
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
maybe your agressiveness.
If I may stereotype ESTP's (or ESTp's as you would like to see it),
Se subtype: the standup comedian: joking, likes performing, likes attention
Ti subtype: the boxer: more agressive and loud, ready and not afraid, less attention seeking
Just my point of view.
By that definition... I'm not SLE.
I avoid the stereotypical "fearless", "ready to kick the shit out of you!" stereotype of the SLE, but manage to fall right into the loud, aggressive, confident, self-centred, playful, attention-seeking categories.
I wouldn't call you aggressive. You seem harmless. You are, though quite playful and 'rambunctious' is a better word. However you are not intimidating in the least. Your frat boy, gonzo porn-esque howard stern-y style of humor isn't really biting so much as it is juvenile. But I kinda like the same stuff so yeah. I don't mind.
As for confident? Yes, I agree that you're self-confident. And loud? Maybe... you're definitely extroverted though.
Yeah, you are right. I'm not aggressive. It's just that some pussy Alphas and Deltas don't like the fact that I might "come on too strong". I am quite intense in real life conversation; maybe that's what they see as aggressive. Also, I am quite confrontational and challenging, and some people who aren't used to my tone can perceive this as being aggressive.
lolYou are, though quite playful and 'rambunctious' is a better word. However you are not intimidating in the least. Your frat boy, gonzo porn-esque howard stern-y style of humor isn't really biting so much as it is juvenile. But I kinda like the same stuff so yeah. I don't mind.
I remember reading about Howard Stern a while ago. Can't remember why. You're probably right. It is all those things. I truly do belong in America.
I'm certainly not British.
Again, it's an Alpha/Delta issue with my levels of "loudness". I used to get sick of people telling me to be quiet when there was no need for it. Okay, discussing sensitive topics like why a lot of black people are into knife crime while walking through a predominantly black neighbourhood may be reason to keep the noise levels low, but when it's just ordinary conversation - no.As for confident? Yes, I agree that you're self-confident. And loud? Maybe... you're definitely extroverted though.
This pissed me off for some reason.....I guess I pictured it being said to me.....
I'm just saying, its kind of annoying.
SEE Unknown Subtype
6w7 sx/so
[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
[21:29] hitta: and not dying
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I'm sorry I pissed you off.
Um, I was just saying thaaaat, if B&D had addressed ME that way, I'd be annoyed....
....I guess the only reason I'm mentioning is to point out how annoying it is? Guess no one else cares/relates.
SEE Unknown Subtype
6w7 sx/so
[21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
[21:29] hitta: and not dying
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Way I saw it (mainly based on how the two subtypes are described), SLE-Se can be more outwardly aggressive (as well as more flamboyant and playful), whereas SLE-Ti is more subdued, more likely to keep an eye on their surroundings for ways to take control and assert their influence.
Sort of. It's accurate to the extent that it describes SLEs as an aggressive and playful type focused mainly on making an impact in its surroundings. As I just mentioned though I think he got the subtypes wrong. Here's what Gulenko has to say on the matter:
SLE-Se: 8w7, 7w8, 3w4, 6w7 (counter-phobic).
SLE-Ti: 8wX, 3wX, 1wX, 6wX (counter-phobic).
Last edited by Aleksei; 12-02-2010 at 03:26 PM.
What do these signs mean—,
, etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason,
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function(extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
No waySLE-Ti:1wX
To be honest I am not even sure six exist for them.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
Sure it does.
Any type can be a Six, counterphobia's the reason why. Beta STs could easily be counterphobic.Other Sixes adopt the opposite strategy of dealing with fear, and become counterphobic, essentially taking a defiant stand against whatever they find threatening. This is the Six who takes on authority or who adopts a dare devil attitude towards physical danger. Counterphobic Sixes can be agressive and, rather than looking for authorities, can adopt a rebellious or anti-authoritarian demeanor. Counterphobic Sixes are often unaware of the fear that motivates their actions.
What do these signs mean—
Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function
For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.
-Victor Gulenko, Dmitri Lytov
You have any real life people example? I would gladly take a look.
(D)IEE~FI-(C)SLE~Ni E-5w4(Sp/Sx)/7w8(So/Sp)/9w1(sp/sx)
Se subtype would make more sense to me as well. You're much closer to gamma and I would even consider Se-SEE as your type, be it just because of your physical resemblance to Scarlett Johanson.
Seriously though, you're too far from ILE-Ti.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
Watch your bum, Ez!Se subtype would make more sense to me as well. You're much closer to gamma and I would even consider Se-SEE as your type, be it just because of your physical resemblance to Scarlett Johanson.
Seriously though, you're too far from ILE-Ti.
Though I can see the point being made here.
Moonlight will fall
Winter will end
Harvest will come
Your heart will mend
Maybe it's because I'm just so fucking confident in my capacities I override all of that. I shit on Fi PoLR insecurities.
Oh I see how you're working. Basically, if I was Ti subtype, that would make me closer to Alpha, and if I was Se subtype, that would make me closer to Gamma (based on each quadra's values).i hadn't entirely conceived what a Se-SLE would be like until more recently (a lot of my past Se-SLE typings probably better fit the prototype, e.g. Mike Tyson.) but as for Se-SLE themselves, i think Ezra probably is one. note his past self-typings tend away from Alpha, or how he receives Ne arguments like Ti-ILE user Steve's.
Yeah, I've always definitely been Se/Ni. To consider otherwise is just fucking... stupid.Se subtype would make more sense to me as well. You're much closer to gamma and I would even consider Se-SEE as your type, be it just because of your physical resemblance to Scarlett Johanson.
Seriously though, you're too far from ILE-Ti.
Sounds like my kinda guy.
I don't understand that sentence.
I suppose it's easy initially to get mixed up between opposing quadra types of the same club. Like I saw my brother as SF club for definite, but I didn't know if he was an SEE or ESE until I observed him more closely. Hence, "quasi identity"!well not everyone is as aware of Gamma values. when i observe Gamma values, more superficial charachteristics of theirs stand out and they can resemble Alphas (at a distance).
Precisely.
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
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