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    What functions do you think are evident in the following conversation?



    You have no choice. This is what you have to do.

    It’d be easier if I didn’t have a choice, but I do.

    This way results in success; this one - failure. Who in their right mind would choose failure? So you don’t have a choice.

    Well I do. I have a choice between success or failure then – if you want to label them like that.

    But failure isn’t an option.

    Why not?

    What are you talking about? Of course it’s not an option.

    I’m just saying that technically, I have a choice. I don’t understand why you want me to tell myself that I don’t, when I do. Do you think I can trick myself into believing there’s only one way to go about this?

    It’s not about tricking. It’s about looking at the situation logically. There is only one logical way to go about this, and once you determine which way that is, you have to go that route. Why on earth would you go the other way?

    It’s not about why. I’m just saying that I can’t pretend to myself that I don’t have a choice when I do.

    But you don’t!! Success or failure. What sane person would choose failure?

    That’s just zooming ahead to the end result though. If I were a robot, that would be really helpful. But it's not taking into account willpower or lack thereof, continued motivation and things like that.

    So this is why you make your plans ahead of time. That way you’ve made a commitment in your head – it’s set in concrete, and you know you have no option but to stick to it.

    But I do have an option! How is it stuck in concrete?!

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    This conversation reminds me of these (BTW, I'd say the people of your conversation are superegos)


    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=k9lo_qeeR6Y


    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q3FlvsLFpY
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    This conversation reminds me of these
    lol yeah (c:
    (BTW, I'd say the people of your conversation are superegos)
    Why superegos?
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    is this you with your mom again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    is this you with your mom again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    is this you with your mom again?
    "Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    lol yeah (c:Why superegos?
    TBH I'm not sure, but I think they (you?) are from different quadras, probably alpha and gamma. They value different things. It reminds me of a typical alpha-gamma talk: "do things my way, being different is wrong"- "fuck you, I know what is best for me"
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    TBH I'm not sure, but I think they (you?) are from different quadras, probably alpha and gamma. They value different things. It reminds me of a typical alpha-gamma talk: "do things my way, being different is wrong"- "fuck you, I know what is best for me"
    oh ok thanks (c: :-/
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    What stands out the most to me is Ne/Si irrational vs. Se/Ni rational.
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    Person in cursive Ni.
    ...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Person in cursive Ni.
    It looks more Se-Ti to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    It looks more Se-Ti to me.
    Yeah I speculated that the person is ISTj. But the Ni-valuing was most obvious to me.
    ...the human race will disappear. Other races will appear and disappear in turn. The sky will become icy and void, pierced by the feeble light of half-dead stars. Which will also disappear. Everything will disappear. And what human beings do is just as free of sense as the free motion of elementary particles. Good, evil, morality, feelings? Pure 'Victorian fictions'.

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    A "failure" now may lead to future successes.

    I'd probably kill that person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlord View Post
    Yeah I speculated that the person is ISTj. But the Ni-valuing was most obvious to me.
    Ah, you meant Ni-valuing, then okay, yes, that seems to be a resolute quadra kind of thing.
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    The person in italics really brought up some nice points, on success vs failure. If you don't want to fail, there is only one choice in any situation. Although as Mr. Mariner said,

    A "failure" now may lead to future successes.
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    The italics person is probably Se/Ni valuing. The other one is Si/Ne. The italics person seems to be a rational feeler, but I'm not so sure about that.

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    The person in italics drinks Pepsi. The other doesn't.
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    This way results in success; this one - failure. Who in their right mind would choose failure? So you don’t have a choice.

    Well I do. I have a choice between success or failure then – if you want to label them like that.

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    The first person is thinking along the lines of the choice defines the motive

    The second person is thinking along the lines of the motive defines the choice

    Both are right, its just a matter of perception - one is looking outward-in the other inward-out

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