Whats the difference.
Whats the difference.
I was sort of both. I do think alphas have taken some shit over time, but I also think you guys are handling it like babies. If someone disparages you, put them in their place; don't just tell them they are being mean, or that your feelings are hurt. That is where my mockery came in.
4w3-5w6-8w7
Yeah. If you want respect, take it. Not everything is delivered in a comfortable SiFe bubble.
4w3-5w6-8w7
more like you can hear them goading you into trying their mashed potatoes.
also (for what it's worth), I think hilton is an ISFj-Fi who is misportrayed by the media... or really, she has her antics exaggerated by the media. Hilton V.I.'s just like this girl I dated for about 2 months who lived alone in the country .. middle of nowhere, with her two pitbulls. She was an ISFj-Fi also.
i said the same for britney spears when i thought she was SEE-Se. later I realized ... yeah, she's SEI-Fe.
the most materialistic person I know is an ENFj-Fe. she's married to an ESTj-Te who worships his plasma TV, truck, and couch. I duno.. I really don't sit around thinking about TVs, trucks, or couches ..
Also Allie, your whole argument for how Alpha NTs react to Hilton with disgust while Gamma NTs react with laughing ... it's an argument for Hilton being Gamma, not Alpha. Wouldn't you be more comfortable with the problems of your dual than of your conflictor? ...
Also, the picture you found of Hilton is one of the most Fe oriented pictures I've seen of her. Look at some others and you'll see a much duller expression.
Last edited by crazedrat; 01-22-2009 at 01:40 AM.
You know what Strrng? I'm taking this on board. This is a good point, relating to my social life. Sometimes I will mediate to avoid a confrontation right over the top of my own morals as far as personal respect goes - I'll just give in to something.
So I will try and be more resilient in this regard, and be savvy about it. Thanks.
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Good.
Probably. I was never suggesting that you should argue with someone just to regain their respect, when they didn't give it to you in the first place. My point was directed at correcting misinterpretations that were presented somewhat rudely.If someone is being a disparaging asshole, then there is never a tangible objective to be gained from confronting them. This person is likely someone with a limited world view anyway, to be pitied.
Right, I don't think anyone should ever have to "prove" themselves in someone else's belief system; you've gone off on a tangent now. My whole point, was that if someone is misrepresenting something about you, or expressing erroneous ideas to you with subtle mockery, you should correct them firmly instead of complain that they are being mean. Nothing more.The idea that I should have to "prove myself" in terms of someone else's belief system to be respected is quite silly to me, and possibly the most vulgar notion I've ever heard. Whatever interests I have in life lie almost completely outside the aegis of someone's interest, and putting any restrictions on them for the sake of satisfying the ravenous wiles of some fickle clowns, is not only a contemptible notion, but also signals personal defeat.
4w3-5w6-8w7
Alright, but I didn't think I was being very rude.
Actually I was partially responding to general sentiments in that paragraph, nothing particularly directed at you.Right, I don't think anyone should ever have to "prove" themselves in someone else's belief system; you've gone off on a tangent now. My whole point, was that if someone is misrepresenting something about you, or expressing erroneous ideas to you with subtle mockery, you should correct them firmly instead of complain that they are being mean. Nothing more.
The thing is though, I'm more than capable of correcting someone. I'll even try to discuss it with him if he's reasonable.
But if a person is the type to try and mock my way of life, then I see little point in initiating contact. It would be quite crude of me to try to change his beliefs through forceful action, because it's his responsibility and his alone to come to the correct conclusions about the world. I can't think for him. I'm also not some ordained inspector and I'm not his mother, so I don't care what he thinks as long as he doesn't harm my material or intellectual assets. You can chalk all of this out to devalued Se as well as Ti valuing.
I would even feel physically degraded talking to someone like that.
I've noticed that alpha SFs are usually slim and alpha SFs are usually chubby.
Last edited by 1981slater; 01-22-2009 at 12:18 PM.
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.
ILE "Searcher"
Socionics: ENTp
DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
Astrological sign: Aquarius
To learn, read. To know, write. To master, teach.