John Von Neumann

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IJ? Jesus that's a crazy typing, read his biography please. He was an extremely extraverted man.

It really depends on what you consider extroversion, I really think that if he was extroverted it would probably appear on his pictures. Think twice, ponder about the subject. If he was EXTREMELY extroverted, it would probably be something remarkable even in his pictures, what is clearly not, in every single picture of him he is, what I would say, kind of EXTREMELY feeble.

I'll try to read more on him, than I will post my conclusions on the theme... But I find "ENTj" a typing that is really hard to be true, he simply doesn't seem to fit to the archetype, neither the niche of this type.

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C'mooooooooon, John von Neumann with as his hidden agenda? This sounds kind of ridiculous...

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For Comparison I decided to add the pictures of someone who is most certainly an ENTx. My personal guess is that this person is indeed an ENTj: John Maynard Keynes.

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I hope I am not the only one who can clearly perceive Keynes' implicit input, since it would be his hidden agenda if he was indeed an ENTj. Compare to John von Neumann, for me it's clear that his HA is . Can anyone else notice how Keynes has a very different psychological niche if compared to Neumann? It's much more assertive and daring.

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ISTj or ESTj

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John Maynard Keynes is a pretty blatant Ti-ENTp. If you actually read his economics, it's all extreme and devaluing.

An example of an ENTj economist would be someone like Murray N. Rothbard.

And that makes him ENTp?
That should make him ESTj

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John Maynard Keynes is a pretty blatant Ti-ENTp. If you actually read his economics, it's all extreme and devaluing.

An example of an ENTj economist would be someone like Murray N. Rothbard.

I really disagree with that, I mean, I am a Ti - ENTp and I definitely can't see myself in Keynes. Funny that you are an ENTj and it seems that you also don't identify yourself with his theoretical approach.

But you have to consider the central axis of the type of scientific approach and the theoretical meaning of his work on the practical field. I've read some of Keynes' works (a few pages actually) and I even know the basics of his biography. The essential basis of his philosophical and theoretical behavior seems to be deeply rooted on efficiency and strategical management, much more focused on achieving mundane economic goals than on analyzing the economic reality and describing its essence, like Adam Smith. I would agree that Adam Smith and Karl Marx were Ti - ENTp, but not Keynes.

I selected a piece of his work The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money for illustrating my point of view. Please notice here the abundant and exaggerated use of and :

"ALL production is for the purpose of ultimately satisfying a consumer. Time usually elapses, however — and sometimes much time — between the incurring of costs by the producer (with the consumer in view) and the purchase of the output by the ultimate consumer. Meanwhile the entrepreneur (including both the producer and the investor in this description) has to form the best expectations[1] he can as to what the consumers will be prepared to pay when he is ready to supply them (directly or indirectly) after the elapse of what may be a lengthy period; and he has no choice but to be guided by these expectations, if he is to produce at all by processes which occupy time.

These expectations, upon which business decisions depend, fall into two groups, certain individuals or firms being specialised in the business of framing the first type of expectation and others in the business of framing the second. The first type is concerned with the price which a manufacturer can expect to get for his “finished” output at the time when he commits himself to starting the process which will produce it; output being “finished” (from the point of view of the manufacturer) when it is ready to be used or to be sold to a second party. The second type is concerned with what the entrepreneur can hope to earn in the shape of future returns if he purchases (or, perhaps, manufactures) “finished” output as an addition to his capital equipment. We may call the former short-term expectation and the latter long-term expectation."