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    Seriously. Well, I really need Te!

    Guess I'll learn to appreciate my dual with age. :-/
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    Judging from the photo in your avatar, if you can't appreciate them yet I'd go for Mr. Right-Now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    define Te!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    oh i get it, because you don't value Ti.
    Do you want me to copy/paste from wikisocion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    well I really meant to say, how do you need Te? :/
    I was reading some of the descriptions of Te-seeking .. how it says that Te-seekers appreciate reliable information rather than a finished analysis .. that's how I am I think. When someone gives me their opinion, I try to determine how they arrived at it, to extract the facts from what they're saying, and throw out the rest - then I feel I can make up my own mind. Also, Dad's LSE and Mum's LSI ... and I've always appreciated the way Dad thinks and explains things ... whereas Mum's style has always annoyed me.
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    Extraverted Thinking : The External Dynamics of Objects.
    Te covers algorithmic logic, specifics of events, activity, behavior, etc.
    In other words, Te is the information element which deals with the physical characteristics of objects in motion/events; the way things are done.

    If you love seeing this in people, and it just "completes you", you should find yourself to be an IxFj; you can easily figure out your creative function through means other than expression. If you value Se or Ni specifically, you are a gamma and, thus, ESI; if you value either Ne or Si specifically, you should be an INFj.

    To find the answer here, tell me which you find more attractive:

    1.Someone with a good work-ethic who thinks on a grand scale and is good at both predicting future events as well as seeing patterns in things which don't necessarily exist in reality. They like reading, architecture, and even the occasional tussle. This person is also emotionally close, yet finds himself at-ease playing sports.

    OR

    2.Someone with a good work-ethic who's thinking is more close to reality; they have an extremely good sense of how things work. This person is energetic but rarely gets over-excited. They like sex, good food, and fine wine. This person is emotionally close, and has no problem with analogies; they also have little trouble seeing the potential in things.

    Choose one and I'll tell you your type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A TeNi White LIE View Post
    Extraverted Thinking : The External Dynamics of Objects.
    Te covers algorithmic logic, specifics of events, activity, behavior, etc.
    In other words, Te is the information element which deals with the physical characteristics of objects in motion/events; the way things are done.

    If you love seeing this in people, and it just "completes you", you should find yourself to be an IxFj; you can easily figure out your creative function through means other than expression. If you value Se or Ni specifically, you are a gamma and, thus, ESI; if you value either Ne or Si specifically, you should be an INFj.

    To find the answer here, tell me which you find more attractive:

    1.Someone with a good work-ethic who thinks on a grand scale and is good at both predicting future events as well as seeing patterns in things which don't necessarily exist in reality. They like reading, architecture, and even the occasional tussle. This person is also emotionally close, yet finds himself at-ease playing sports.

    OR

    2.Someone with a good work-ethic who's thinking is more close to reality; they have an extremely good sense of how things work. This person is energetic but rarely gets over-excited. They like sex, good food, and fine wine. This person is emotionally close, and has no problem with analogies; they also have little trouble seeing the potential in things.

    Choose one and I'll tell you your type.
    I don't know ... they're too vague! :-p What does "seeing patterns in things that don't exist in reality mean"? I guess the 2nd one. Mainly because I think of people who think on too grand a scale as being a bit bulldozerish and callous when it comes to the details and individual's feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    define Te!
    Extroverted thinking. Productivity, efficiency, gathering information. The most orderly function, and the most robotic. But more like the hardware of the android than the software. The dictionary is a black square.

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    You don't like Te, mune?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    Recalling what you wrote on the wiki, you seemed like an Si and Ne valuing type. If you do value Te, then I think you are probably IEE or EII. An Si leading type would probably agree with most of this:

    (This was written by an SEI socionists and it's roughly translated.)
    I relate to all of that incredibly. lol But seems to me that those are all basic abilities to do with Sensing in general. Wouldn't Se be built on the same principles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    I relate to all of that incredibly. lol But seems to me that those are all basic abilities to do with Sensing in general. Wouldn't Se be built on the same principles?
    That is a more MBTI-related thought.

    Si is the external dynamics of fields; Se is the external statics of objects.
    They are both external, but so are Te and Ti.
    In opposition to Ni and Ne, Si and Se are easily picked out as "similar"; they are in the fact that they are external, thus dealing with physical states.
    However, Si deals with fields, and Se deals with objects; this is a very large difference.

    Se deals with an object's form, size, shape, and location (all of these things without activity); Si deals with the tangible interactions perceived through these objects, as well as how these events affect you physically.

    They are similar, but very different. "Si v. Se"="Physical Experiences v. Physical State"
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    So what's the difference between "field" and "object"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Binky View Post
    So what's the difference between "field" and "object"?
    An "object" is something that can be studied without the context of the observer.

    A "field" is something that needs to be studied through the context of the observer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A TeNi White LIE View Post
    That is a more MBTI-related thought.

    Si is the external dynamics of fields; Se is the external statics of objects.
    They are both external, but so are Te and Ti.
    In opposition to Ni and Ne, Si and Se are easily picked out as "similar"; they are in the fact that they are external, thus dealing with physical states.
    However, Si deals with fields, and Se deals with objects; this is a very large difference.

    Se deals with an object's form, size, shape, and location (all of these things without activity); Si deals with the tangible interactions perceived through these objects, as well as how these events affect you physically.

    They are similar, but very different. "Si v. Se"="Physical Experiences v. Physical State"
    I'm not sure what you mean by "without activity" ... how can you come to a non-theoretical knowledge of objects without interacting with them?
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    Tom, your brand of arrogance is kinda cute. I think I might keep you.



    Jem, I don't mind if you move over to Delta. From what I know, you seem fine as SEI. So... I know, I'm no help.

    Forgetting the T's for a second, what do you think about Fe vs. Fi? What are they to you and how do you react to them?

    By the way, I don't think wanting to and being able to form your own opinions on things is the same thing as not-Ti-seeking.
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    Its not arrogance, its !
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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    FYI, I didn't know it was possible to sense your internal organs pre-socionics.



    Sure, Se types have excellent control over these things because of strong Si. However, their disposition is still oriented externally, so whereas an Si type might justify not feeling sorry about pain because it actually isn't painful, an Se type might justify not feeling sorry about pain because some external objective necessitated that he stretch his body in that way.

    Another example, according to the article, an Si type can "build a sensation" from a small piece of information about it.

    >
    A strong Si type will have a natural sense of what is the best sensation, and can indulge in the same sensation again and again (because it's the best), given that she fully understands the limits and capabilities of her body.

    > A strong Se type will have a natural sense of the correct sensation, but may choose to modify it slightly or completely to suit some special criteria, and to relish in this modification.

    A good example is my SEE friend who justifies eating a specific kind of chocolate bar because it's wrapped in golden foil and has an interesting design on the front. The chocolate still tastes good, but the reason he enjoys it so much vs. other chocolates probably has to do more with the fact that it seems ornate.
    Mm yeah - I relate to your Si examples over the Se ones.
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