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    Hi,

    WARNING: The first 5 pages are mostly about storing data. While there is some analysis in the early part of this thread, it mostly starts further on....

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    I thought I'd use as an example US apprentice series 4.

    Just storing the end result of the analysis here. The idea is that I'd go over the series again at some point and evaluate it episode by episode on what evidence we gain for or against each typing. Maybe. Just an idea I had. I have no idea if I have anything close to the required amount of time to spend with something like this really.

    Randal Pinkett - Consulting Firm Owner - INFp-Ni
    Rebecca Jarvis - Financial Journalist - ESFj
    Alla Wartenberg - Salon & Spa Chain Owner - ESTj Te
    Felisha Mason - Real Estate Developer - ENTj Ni
    Adam Israelov - Risk Manager - ENFp Ne
    Clay Lee - Realtor - ISTp-Te
    Marshawn Evans - Recent Law School Graduate - ISTj-Se
    Brian Mandelbaum - Print Company Executive - ESFj
    Markus Garrison - Inventor - INTj Ne
    Jennifer Murphy - Ad Sales Manager - ENTp-Ne
    Josh Shaw - Beauty Company Owner - ENTj
    James Dillon - Sales Executive - ISFp-Fe
    Mark Lamkin - Wealth Manager - ESTp -Se
    Kristi Caudell - Sales Executive - ESFp Fi
    Toral Mehta - Investment Banker - INTj
    Jennifer Wallen - Realty Company Owner - INFj Fi
    Chris Valletta - Marketing Executive - ESTj Te
    Melissa Holovach - Real Estate Investor - ESFj Si
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    A reasonable beginning would be to start with the person who is first fired. Easiest to analyze all the data relating to the person. So.

    We have

    Melissa Holovach

    "I've always been known as an overchiever who really likes money."

    Residence: Tampa, FL
    Occupation: Real estate investor
    Marital Status: Single

    Biography
    Melissa Holovach is a 30-year-old real estate investor from Tampa, FL.
    Melissa was a star softball and soccer athlete for much of her youth. She graduated magna cum laude from the University of Denver, with a dual B.S. degree in Accounting and International Finance, and two Master Degrees in Accounting and Computer Information Systems. Melissa's Fortune 500 professional foundation includes accounting and tax consulting at KPMG, followed by becoming Vice President of Investments at Wachovia Securities. She built a portfolio of investments valued more than $48 million in her first year as a stockbroker. True to her entrepreneurial spirit, Melissa founded Mosaic Co., offering title and inspection services, mortgage lending, and lease-option housing, after many years of buying, selling, and rehabbing properties. She recently acquired several apartment buildings in Fla. and is currently expanding into the hospitality and senior housing industries.


    When will you consider yourself "a success"?
    I already do consider myself a success: in my education - with two undergraduate degrees and two masters degrees. In sports: I'm an All-American in softball and soccer. But, mostly, in my marriage: I have married the love of my life! Yet, even though I truly feel I am already successful, I will always strive to be a better person, wife, friend, and business person. Daily, I will continue to learn, try, and hopefully succeed in many new endeavors!

    How would you describe your leadership style?
    I am definitely more of a collaborative, "team player" type leader. I don't believe in ordering people around and dictating what it is they should do next. I like to get to know a person's strengths and weaknesses, and then utilize them to the best of their ability while getting them motivated toward a common team goal.

    How do you deal with personal and professional challenges?
    I embrace them! I absolutely love to be challenged in any way possible! I enjoy learning new things and pushing myself beyond my comfort level. Actually, that is a big reason I wanted to be on the show!

    What, in your opinion, is the most important quality to have in order to succeed in life and why?
    Probably either "heart" or a "never quit attitude" toward anything in life that you want to accomplish. They certainly go hand in hand. The reason is quite obvious: I believe that if an individual gives a goal their all and never quits, that individual will accomplish their goal, sooner or later. It may take a bit longer, more effort, or a few tears, but in the end, it will get accomplished.

    What's more important: college education or real-world experience?
    That's a hard one. if I had to choose, my choice would be an education. However, that being said, I am a strong believer in the "total package," which would be a combination of education and life experiences.

    Have any previous Apprentice winners motivated or inspired you? If so, who and why? If not, what did you think of the winners?
    Anytime I witness an individual accomplishing a goal or a lifelong dream, I am inspired. My favorite past apprentice is Bill from season one. He was educated, hard working, and ethical. He never gave up and was full of heart! He has all the qualities a person needs in order to be a winner! He is the "total package."


    What have you learned from watching previous seasons of The Apprentice?
    As much as I hate to say it, "fly under the radar, and you will go far"! That was Kendra's biggest reason for winning! Not that she wasn't hard working, or smart and ethical - she was all that and more, but she herself stated her strategy was to "fly under the radar". You risk less chances of making mistakes, and hence not being called into the boardroom to be fired!

    Would you rather be stranded on a desert island with Donald, George or Carolyn, and why?
    Oh my, that is a tough one. If I had to choose, probably Donald, because he is accustomed to luxury and is an out-of-the-box thinker, and therefore would be quite innovative in creating a comfortable environment in which we'd survive until being rescued. We would be rescued, right?


    What is your favorite music?
    Anything really. I love many different types of music: jazz, dance, classical, pop-country, etc. I don't like heavy metal or hard rap.

    What are your favorite books?
    Seven Habits of Highly Successful People, and How to Win Friends and Influence People

    Any well-written business or life-skills book that I could learn from and apply its' principles to my life.

    What are your favorite TV shows?
    The Apprentice, Contender, most sports, and CNN

    What are your favorite movies?
    A Few Good Men, Jerry Maguire, Coach Carter, and Meet the Parents (one and two)
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    Anticipating the next episode, I'll post the first episode's analysis when I can get a file from my portable.

    The second one to get the shaft:

    Chris, 27, is a former NFL player for the New Orleans Saints, Tennessee Titans and Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He earned a B.S. in speech communications and rhetoric with a minor in political science from Texas A&M University, where he was an All-Conference Offensive Lineman and a four-year letterman. He currently works in advertising sales as an executive at KRLD News Radio 1080-AM in Dallas, Texas, where he was recently named "salesperson of the year," for generating over $1,500,000 in new revenue and breaking the company's 79-year record for first year sales. During this time, he started a company called Big Tree Investments LLC., a transactional real estate company that uses land trusts to acquire and wholesale properties. In 2004, Chris and his wife Lacie founded C&L, Inc., which operates their 100-acre tree farm in East Texas, where they raise and harvest pine trees for long-term investment growth. He and his wife enjoy traveling and spending time on their ranch.

    When will you consider yourself "a success"?
    I don't think there is ever an exact "moment" when I'll consider myself to be a success. I've always lived under the "happy, but never satisfied" mentality. There is never a moment when I am not looking for the next mountain to climb or the next great challenge. I can have momentary success, but I will quickly revert back to looking for the next challenge to see how far I can push myself and my talents. Obviously, there are different levels of success for everyone. For me, if I can look back on all of it and know that I've made a positive impact on those around me, then I'll know that I've been successful. It has nothing to do with fame or fortune and everything to do with knowing that I have taken care of my family and loved ones.

    How would you describe your leadership style?
    Without question, I lead by example. I like to get my hands dirty with the team. I lead with a synergistic approach - nothing can be accomplished without a total buy-in from the team and every single member works together toward one common objective. I lead by bringing people together and motivating them to believe that the objective can be accomplished; then I work hand-in-hand with them until the job is done perfectly. When the engine is running on all eight cylinders, it is rare that the engine can be out-performed.

    How do you deal with personal and professional challenges?
    The only way I know how to deal with challenges is to face them head on. The driving force in my life is my faith: I believe that every situation, whether good or bad, is meant to happen for a reason. We have no control over the cards we are dealt but all the control over how we play them. I face personal and professional challenges head on, with integrity and honesty, knowing that this experience is being put in front of me for a specific reason, to make me a stronger and better person.

    What, in your opinion, is the most important quality to have in order to succeed in life and why?
    The most important quality to have in order to succeed in life is passion. Passion about your faith, your family, and your profession. Professionally speaking, if you surround yourself with passionate people who are all working together and truly believe that their product or service can influence and impact their potential customers in a positive way, then that company will be enormously successful. Having a true passion for everything you do will ensure your success in life - guaranteed!

    What's more important: college education or real-world experience?
    Neither is more important than the other. You've got to have a healthy mix. College teaches you how to manage your time and be productive while balancing a social life. Real-world experience is priceless. If you can gain the experience from college and use that knowledge as a platform while you are pounding the pavement in the real world, you will be light years ahead of the game.

    Have any previous Apprentice winners motivated or inspired you? If so, who and why? If not, what did you think of the winners?
    All of the winners share the same attributes, yet were slightly different in their leadership styles. If I have to choose one that stood out to me it would be Kendra from season three. Kendra was an extremely hard worker who was all about the team. During the famous Pontiac presentation, she included everyone in her pitch, even though she did the brunt of the work. She's a real team player and exuded passion during her final task. I can definitely relate to Kendra in many ways.

    What have you learned from watching previous seasons of The Apprentice?
    I've learned that you must be yourself in all situations. You cannot let the fact that the public will see your faults and strengths to change who you are. Your true character will shine on The Apprentice, both positively or negatively, regardless of the circumstances.

    Would you rather be stranded on a desert island with Donald, George or Carolyn, and why?
    Donald, George, or Carolyn..? Well, I couldn't be stranded with Mr. Trump because I don't think he'd be comfortable in his Brioni suit on a desert island. And definitely not George because I don't think I could take the lashings he can dish out (Can you imagine? "Build shelter! Hurry up. Why didn't you build it by the tree? Get dinner! Why didn't you fish in that cove! The other has more fish! Hurry up!!!"). So. I guess that leaves Carolyn - purely out of process of elimination.

    What is your favorite music?
    Country

    What are your favorite books?
    Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki (unbelievable book by an incredible guy)

    What are your favorite TV shows?
    My wife and I are addicted to Alias, Lost, and, of course, The Apprentice

    What are your favorite movies?
    The Natural with Robert Redford - the greatest movie ever made. period. And Glengarry Glen Ross - if you are in sales and you haven't seen this movie, shame on you!

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    An article by Homer Jacobs on Chris Valletta, exerpts taken (not whole article for copyrights and stuff)

    "I'll be honest with you, when I first came out of high school, there was that feeling that all these people think I'm good, so that must mean I'm good," said Valletta, "Within a day, I found out that I was not good. That's all it took. It just took one day being around the varsity and guys who have been there. From a strength standpoint, I wasn't even close. Mentally, I wasn't even close. I wasn't ready. And I'm glad, because right now I feel that I am ready."

    (Realist, not boasting)

    Still, Valletta had to rededicate himself in the weight room to prepare himself for the rigors along the line. He was one of the first players to report for early-morning winter workouts, and he trimmed his body into a lean 295 pounds, down from his top weight that pushed 310 pounds.

    (Toes the line, good self-discipline.)

    "The thing I respect about Chris is he didn't sit around and gripe and moan because he wasn't the starter. He tried to get better. He did everything I asked him to do. I really feel good about him."

    (No false pride. Doesn't play status games. Not on the Ti-Fe axis.)

    During the summer, Valletta is a disc jockey for Bryan/Colleg Station's
    103.9 KHLR, an alternative music station commonly known as "The X."

    Indeed, Valletta is a talker both on and off the field.

    (Some kind of charisma.)

    "That's something I just really enjoy doing," Valletta said. "I just take a hiatus during the season and do that in the offseason. It's a fun job, and I really enjoy doing it. I never had any experience, but I told the (employer) it was something that I really wanted to do. Just give me a chance. They just threw me on the air, and that was it. I never really talk about football on the air; I just wanted to keep it me, the DJ."

    (Entrepreneurial)

    "I don't think (radio) is something I want to get into, but the more and more I watch ESPN, I would love to do broadcasting and get into the TV part of it," he added. "But everyone keeps telling me that I have a face for radio, especially Coach Grimes."

    (Self-deprecating humor, humility)

    "Before I played football, I didn't watch the offensive line," said Valletta, who played for Pinkerton Academy in New Hampshire before his all-state career at Plano. "I watched the running back, the quarterback and the receivers. It seems the only time the fans would watch the offensive line is if there were a big sack in the backfield, but that's fine. That's totally understandable. It's definitely a grueling position. We have to know fronts and calls. We're talking to each other while we're up there on the line.

    "It's mentally a tough position, and physically it's tough because you're pushing on 300 pound guys all the time. I hope the fans understand (how hard it is)."


    Valletta said he's almost overwhelmed that he is starting for the Texas Aggies. He now is one of the big men on campus, not a recruit merely thinking he's one.

    "It's definitely been worth the wait," Valletta said. "We had our first yell practice (All University Night), and you just get a tiny feeling of what it's going to be like when the whole stadium is full. That's what makes it worth the wait.

    "It's just such an opportunity. This team is so fortunate, and these players are so lucky to even play this game. You think about that and the ability you've been given. It's such an opportunity and something I can't wait to take advantage of."
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    Ok, a look at Melissa.
    .............................
    First, about the introduction.

    She's an overachiever... Ok, so she's someone active, most likely a doer.
    She likes money. Ok, who doesn't.

    She's single. Why? Does that mean something, maybe not.

    A star softball and soccer athlete. So, most likely high sensory skills, though possibly not. Team sports have different play positions and she might just have other fitting attributes. But two different sports is sort of a hint that she probably liked physical tasks.

    Four sort of technical degrees. Accounting, computer information. Doesn't seem strongly ethical to me. Just to mention this, according to internet rumours she lied about the pace with which she completed her studies, so maybe a bit unreliable.

    Anyway. She's highly entrepreneurial. Founded her own company. Built a great portfolio. Though there's no timeline. Maybe it was during the Internet boom. Anyone could build a nice portfolio back then.

    Considers herself a success. Optimistic, egoistic. Wants to learn more, success in many endeavors. Ok, I get the feeling that she's more about the victory than the prize, could be indication of "tactical".

    She's a collaborative team player. Doesn't order people around. Maybe not high on extrovert functions. The word labour is involved, more hints on high sensory skills. Likes to know a person and then position them. Again emphasis on learning. Again hints on valuing introvert functions.

    Embraces challenge. Pushes herself. Very mobile. New objectives. A bit alphaish.

    Believes in the value of "heart" and "not quitting". Maybe something relating to passion? Could be "resolute" or just an indication of rationality. Believes in fighting against adversity. Yeah, rational.

    Liked Bill, how Bill "worked hard", was "ethical", was "full of heart".

    Hates flying under the radar. Wants to be seen.

    Believes Donald is an out of the box thinker and values that. Values creative ideas people.

    Likes life-skills books and business books.

    Likes Tom Cruise (ESFj) movies.

    ....


    All in all what I get is primarily an egomaniac, highly active sensor, with high optimism and quite a bit of passion. ESFj-Si.
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    I have never seen this show but your analysis is very interesting. Nevertheless I caught the end of alice in wonderland on the disney channel last night, and I came to these conclusions:

    Alice - INFp
    Door Knob - ENFj
    White Rabbit - INTp
    Dodo - ESFj
    Tweedle Dee & Dum - ESTj
    Walrus - ISFj
    Carpenter - ISTj
    Lizard - ISFp
    Flowers - ESFp
    Caterpillar - INTj
    Chesire Cat - INFj
    Mad Hatter - ENTj
    March Hare - ENFp
    Garden Painters - ISTp
    King of Hearts - ENTp
    Queen of Hearts - ESTp

    It is interesting that Alice and the Door Knob are mirrors, and the Door Knob provides her access into the mirror world (through the looking glass) that she envisions in the opening scene. There are also some pretty obvious conflictor scenes: such as the White Rabbit and the Dodo Bird by the pink house, Alice and Tweedle Dee & Dum in the forest, and the Chesire Cat and the Queen of Hearts at the croquet tournament. These are my conclusions, but I would be interested to hear your opinions as well.
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    Then, the episode and everything that happens in it...
    The condensed version!

    Kristi: I had a child at sixteen! (Sex at an early age? Gamma )

    Mark: A good old boy from the south.

    Markus: A big Fish in a small pond.

    Melissa: Competed in sports.

    Randall: My education

    Alla: Came from Russia, made myself a multi-millionaire.

    Jennifer: Worked myself up, made it on my own, nothing handed to me. (Introvert?)

    Marshawn: Represented gang members and representatives (Uh, interesting connection there, proud of your criminal contacts? I'm immediately starting to wonder about my past typing of her as an ESTj)

    Clay: I think openly being gay is advantage, best friend of the girls. (That's a highly optimistic and irresponsible estimate)

    Markus: A lot in common with Trump, kindred spirits. (Hmm, in what way? I thought of him as INTj, that's Ne+Ti, same as Trump. Could be.)

    Josh: *Makes happy commanding gesture to make other come to him* (Commanding posture, but open, not aggressive. Earlier thought he was ISTj Se, mainly because I thought of him as an extremely selfish type. But he's actually really active in this episode. There's something wrong there.)

    Chris almost runs Trump over. (Not polite at all. Not particularly careful. Very aggressive, very pushy. Either Se or Te.)

    Mark, first one on the chopper. (Good physical skills, maybe good sensory skills?)

    Markus making decisions for everyone (NT club?)

    Clay suggesting Markus as project manager (Sneaky decision maybe? Clay doesn't want to be the first manager? IP temperament? Not NT club?)

    Chris annoyed by Markus backing down (Chris immediately dislikes Marcus.)

    Markus doesn’t want to shrink from a challenge. (Does that fit INTj? Probably.)

    Josh and Brian go with the chopper, Josh displays quick decisiveness. Josh grabs the initiative, Brian follows. Josh is immediately physical and polite. Quickly evaluates the gym.
    (I'm starting to think Josh is ENTp-Ti)

    Kristi would like to be project manager because she’s athletic.(High sensory skills?)

    Jennifer: I let you be project manager because this is your niche (Could that be Fi? Consideration of others? Fairness? Maybe.)

    Toral: points things out to other people (NT club?)

    Marshawn: Blessing in disguise! We lost, but we still ended up pretty good. That has to be better than the other team. (Is that high self-confidence or low expectations. I can't tell.)

    Felisha approaches people politely. (Not someone pushy.)

    Melissa: Give me your high number! How much you’d pay for a class! Give me the best. (Very egotistic, very pushy)

    Kristi: Did you ask what they’d be willing to pay?

    Melissa: I know this, trust me. While they say x, they mean Y. (You know that how? Because you're hispanic like them? Weak excuse and kind of racist. Very hyperactive. Very controlling.)

    -> Jennifer becomes annoyed, Felisha laughs it off. (Neither one likes Melissa)

    Toral: I didn’t like the WAY Melissa talked. In my workplace this would never be tolerated. (I have to wonder about this one. I'd expect her to show a bit more liking to someone I think is her dual, but on the other hand the subtype is completely different and Toral is also just a nasty person so who knows. Certainly not impossible.)

    Kristi: End of discussion, no bickering! (Se + Fi?)

    Markus: I want to decide the duration of the class. 45 is substantial. (NT?)

    Chris: We lose one class and the opportunity to make money on that one class. (Actually calculates stuff out. Does a bit of legwork and hangs on facts. Thinking style. My hunch says Te.)

    Josh: Markus was frazzled, couldn’t make decisions. (Josh really doesn't like Markus)

    Markus: Hold it, stop. ( Josh makes fun of him).

    Markus: Is there anything I should be, or could be doing better? (Sort of low expectations on self, but sort of not. Sucks at everything but still thinks highly of himself. Awkward gait, very low sensory skills. )

    Josh: Trump would never ask people: Am I good enough, smart enough? Get some balls!
    (Rash, overbearing, pseudoaggressive. Yeah, I'm thinking ENTp-Ti.)

    Randall: Mixed emotions. I lost my granny!. But… exciting opportunity, hard to concentrate.

    Kristi: Get nonmembers to the gym! (Go for the mass market! Gamma?)

    Alla: Excited!

    Marshawn: Blunt, confrontational. I see three x marks, is it a strip club? Complains about Kristi accepting that. (Doesn't like Christi. Reaction completely different from Alla's. Yeah, I'm going to reallocate Marshawn as an ISTj.)

    Melissa: You have to do better than good! Good doesn’t win!. *talks a lot, jumps up and down* (Hyperactive, physical but not physically aggressive. Hates Kristi and vice versa. )

    Chris: aggressively pushes the class to people. (has the aggressively muscle-trained body type)

    Markus: these guys are beyond impressive (bad posture). Babbles a lot.

    Alla: we want to impress Carolyn, and Melissa is there babbling, talking smack. What do you gain when you’re talking bad stuff about the team? (Nice point, Melissa is about personal effort, not team effort. Alla is more about concrete victory for the team.)

    Melissa: women always hate me, what do I care.

    Randall: confused, rolls around: class starts at five minutes, five minutes!

    Markus: I’m worried, I’m the mother hen of this project, I’m the project manager. Photo finish, too close to tell. (Mother hen? Really? Is that a bit of Fi?)

    Kristi: I choreographed the class.

    Marshawn: I think we’re going to win this, we’ve got the community excited, we have excellent traffic,we have been selling this on the streets

    Mark: physical expression of happiness

    Toral: *gesture*: I can’t believe this.

    Kristi: *tough*

    Markus on the prize: That is huge

    Chris: I vote on… Markus not being exempt

    Adam: I would be for giving him the exemption, he took the initiative (Adam's a "nice guy", attempts to be fair. Fi?)

    Adam and Randall vote for the exemption, no one else does.

    Randall: thank you thank you thank you for the helicopter (passive, almost surprised by someone being generous)

    Markus: I thought I got a huge opportunity to build a rapport with D Trump

    Josh: He talks a ton, I can give you the cliffnotes (makes fun of Markus)

    Josh: we don’t want to give exemptions. Markus sucked.

    Melissa: Unfortunately we were lead by Kristi and I don’t respect her (talking to Jennifer2)

    Jennifer2: Why all the negativity?

    Melissa: So you respect Kristi? (Sort of feels a pull toward Jen2, but something isn't clicking. My hypothesis is INFj-ESFj illusionary.)

    Kristi talks to Alla: Melissa bad (Kristi and Alla go well together. I have a bit of trouble with Alla. She acts a lot like an ESTj, but she shows a lot of ENTjish things too. I still think I see her more times acting like an ESTj, but the way she relates to Kristi seems like an activity relation or at least it's a Te-Fi relation.)

    Alla: She’s on the defensive, you’re not, what do you care? You’re confident, you’ve got it.

    Kristi: This isn’t Kristi vs Melissa, this is: Melissa sucks. She needs to be fired.

    Marshawn: We lost this task because of marketing

    Melissa: exactly!

    Kristi: Triple threat! Was my idea! I never took the three x’es in a pornographic way.

    Melissa: The reason we lost was because of our project manager. She’s weak.

    Alla: Not true.

    Kristi: Am I weak when I came up with the choreography and blabla.

    Melissa: you’re obnoxious

    Alla: It takes 100% from everyone to win. Melissa didn’t give it her all! Melissa brought us down, she made us lose our focus. We were off by one sale, she cost us that.


    Trump: what do you think Rebecca?
    Rebecca: I honestly think that this team can’t work with Melissa on it. Organization is difficult when people do not listen. (I think Trump and Melissa have a Fe-Ti relationship going on)

    Melissa: I need to defend myself from you.

    Jennifer2: Melissa pulled me aside and told me that she lost her respect for Kristi, and I still don’t understand the reason. Why do 8 other women think you are negative throughout the task. You told me that you thought you were perceived negative because you didn’t respect the manager. To me that is a lousy excuse. (This seems to me to be very close to something Minde would say, very Fi.)

    Jennifer: I think Melissa needs to go because she causes friction. She caused drama and negativity. (This too seems Fi to me.)

    Melissa: It’s just because Kristi gets under my skin. I’m a very very optimistic individual. ( I actually believe her.)

    Kristi: Can I bring back just one individual to the board room?

    Melissa: I think I’m a good and hard-working person. I’m a very positive person. I made a mistake in letting her get under my skin. In the end, my mistake didn’t cost us the task, hers did. I don’t work well with women because they’re always intimidated by me. They want to get rid of me because I’m a bigger threat to them. Her, she’s weak. (Shows her high faith on herself, and her hyperactivity, and her bad self-control/high Fe)

    Kristi *almost laughs* (not intimidated easily, doesn't accept the portrayal of herself as weak.)

    Melissa: I’m beautiful, I’m smart…

    Carolyn: So what you’re saying is you can’t work with women? (Doesn't particularly like Melissa)

    Kristi: I work very well with women.

    Melissa: Women are intimidated by me. I can work with women.

    Melissa: All the women said I should go. I want to be first or last, anything in the middle would just suck.
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    Josh Shaw

    Josh, 30, a successful entrepreneur and self-made multi-millionaire by the age of 24, has become a driving force in the cosmetics and beauty industry. Josh is co-Founder and Chief Operating Officer of GoSMILE, Inc. (www.GoSMILE.com). In less than three years, he and his partners in the company have effectively established GoSMILE as the innovative pioneer and leader of the newest category in prestige retail, called Smile Beauty. Prior to this venture, he had successfully helped build and run a multi-media marketing services company, Student Advantage Inc., valued at over a billion dollars at its peak in the stock market. Over a nine-year period, Josh built and managed various aspects of the company, driving the growth of the company from 12 people, generating $400,000 in annual revenue, to nearly 500 people generating over $85 million in revenue. He received his B.S. in marketing and finance from the University of Albany. He married his high school sweetheart four years ago, and they are expecting their first child this January.

    When will you consider yourself "a success"?
    By many accounts, I consider myself a success already. Personally and professionally, I have achieved great success in my life, and I know this is only the beginning. Most importantly, I awaken every day with a smile on my face and a passion for life that is hard to quantify by any metric. Success is clearly a personal definition, but I am looking forward to continue having a positive impact on others, creating value, and enjoying the journey on my road of success.

    How would you describe your leadership style?
    I lead with respect and by example. If you treat others with respect, and demonstrate passion and commitment, others will take your lead. Leadership comes in many shapes and sizes, but ultimately, to ensure the long-term stability and success of any organization, leading with passion and by example will set you up for maximum success.

    How do you deal with personal and professional challenges?
    Perspective is everything. It's not the challenges you face, as much as how you face them. Personal and professional challenges are tremendously beneficial if tackled with the right attitude and perspective. Remember this, life is full of lemons, and it's too short to not make lemonade! Put everything into perspective and you can overcome any challenge.

    What, in your opinion, is the most important quality to have in order to succeed in life and why?
    Passion. Everything roots from passion - perspective and frame of reference, appetite for knowledge, determination to win, desire to create value, and focus to achieve an end game. With passion, anything is possible, and the journey is much more enjoyable. It's not just about the destination. it's about the journey.

    What's more important: college education or real-world experience?
    The answer to this question depends on the professional career path of the person, so there is no rule of thumb. While I believe the combination of college education and real-world experience is the most winning recipe, I suppose I'd pick real-world experience if I had to choose. There is no substitute for hands-on training and experience. The simple reality is that a textbook with case studies in a confined and controlled classroom is limited in its ability to provide practical training and true preparation for the real world. There just isn't any substitute for real-world experience, but if you have a chance to get both, do it.

    Have any previous Apprentice winners motivated or inspired you? If so, who and why? If not, what did you think of the winners?
    First, allow me to say that all 18 candidates are winners. If you are qualified to be selected among one million applicants for the final round, you're clearly a winner. That said, and knowing there is really only "one" Apprentice, I'd say the chosen one is typically a person who flies below the radar, is generally reserved in mannerisms, is not controversial, is not outspoken, and certainly not adversarial. Most off all, I'd say the past winners have been people who are more solid business people rather than true entrepreneurs.

    What have you learned from watching previous seasons of The Apprentice?
    I've learned that given the constraints of television production, by all accounts the show on television does a good job of capturing the intensity of the contest. However, "watching" the show doesn't even come close to the reality of "living" through it first hand. For all of you who think, "Oh, I'd have done this..." or "She's crazy. Why didn't she do x, y or z?" trust me, I've been there. You have no clue until you walk the walk yourself my friend. For a business game show, this is as close to reality as reality TV can get.

    Would you rather be stranded on a desert island with Donald, George, or Carolyn, and why?
    Tough one. I'd probably have to go with Big D because we could build a "6-STARRR FUULLL luxury REZZZ-ORT and an AHHH-MAZING golf course" (out of 5 stars of course).

    What is your favorite music?
    U2, James Taylor, Maroon 5 and Alicia Keys

    What are your favorite books?
    Who Made My Lemonade?, Tipping Point, and Blink

    What are your favorite TV shows?
    Sopranos, 24, Entourage, and Saturday Night Live!

    What are your favorite movies?
    Godfather, Coming to America, Fletch, Old School


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    from T***:
    "Josh quotes from Reality This Week at thefishbowl.com. If you go to the site, you can listen to a podcast."

    Why they lost...
    "The minute we picked baseball, our fates were sealed because baseball was out of season and had already peaked."

    On the other team...
    "It's really unbelievable that they did win, with those misfits."

    The host is asking why Mark and James were fired...
    "Mark, who was one of my favorites on the show, did not, whatsoever, deserve to get fired. On the other hand James, the baseball know it all, was the driving force with us choosing baseball."

    On Rebecca...
    "I absolutely was her wheelchair manager at one point. I actually called her out on it a few times, I said enough with the fake cast, enough of the bullshit." <~~~ I'm guessing that last part is a joke bc he followed it up with positive comments about Rebecca.

    On Jennifer M....
    "No, we're not at odds. What happened in the boardroom, stays in the boardroom. Basically, when you're in there, you have to go with the strategy that's gonna work. She was the easiest target because she was the head of sales, but at the end of the day, it really WAS my responsibility and James' because we picked the sport."

    "We could've tripled the sales we did and we still would've lost."

    "He didn't say anything about Clay and Markus. The only other person he mentioned was Bill, who he said was probably being groomed to take George's position after he croaks or something like that. I don't know if he was trying to be funny or what, but his George hate bothered me. "
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    Josh Shaw who I am presupposing, is ENTj

    Josh, 30, a successful entrepreneur and self-made multi-millionaire by the age of 24, has become a driving force in the cosmetics and beauty industry. Josh is co-Founder and Chief Operating Officer of GoSMILE, Inc. (www.GoSMILE.com). In less than three years, he and his partners in the company have effectively established GoSMILE as the innovative pioneer and leader of the newest category in prestige retail, called Smile Beauty.
    GoSmile, is apparently a teeth-whitenin product. The webpage at
    http://www.gosmile.com/gosmile/home.jsp
    is sort of professional, uninnovative, but functional, I don't personally see anything WRONG with it. It seems like a good standard corporate page. If Josh himself has had any input on the matter which we don't know, it doesn't create a problem with the idea of him being ENTj. Anyway, creating a company at an early age to hawk something boring but productive could be called stereotypically ENTj, but these are apprentice candidates. All of them are corporate sharks, so I'll leave it at that. He's an apprentice candidate. Fine.

    Prior to this venture, he had successfully helped build and run a multi-media marketing services company, Student Advantage Inc., valued at over a billion dollars at its peak in the stock market. Over a nine-year period, Josh built and managed various aspects of the company, driving the growth of the company from 12 people, generating $400,000 in annual revenue, to nearly 500 people generating over $85 million in revenue.
    He claims to have DRIVEN the growth. I think that's a marvellously non-specific way to claim credit without actually stating anything specific about what he actually did. He does like to mention numbers though. I have that fetish and link it to Te. As indication, this is weak though.

    He received his B.S. in marketing and finance from the University of Albany. He married his high school sweetheart four years ago, and they are expecting their first child this January.
    By stereotype, marrying high-school sweethearts is Te-Fi I guess. Boring, safe, if it works, why break it - kind of thing.

    When will you consider yourself "a success"?
    By many accounts, I consider myself a success already.
    Starts sort of evasive, short of declaring "I am succesful!" Still, could be argued to be "positive-result".

    Personally and professionally, I have achieved great success in my life, and I know this is only the beginning. Most importantly, I awaken every day with a smile on my face and a passion for life that is hard to quantify by any metric.
    This seems sort of typically needlessly roundabout way that many EJ types use. Quantifying smiles by metrics? That's Te for you.

    Success is clearly a personal definition,
    Te. Caring about clear definitions of things. Critiqueing on inaccuracy.

    but I am looking forward to continue having a positive impact on others, creating value, and enjoying the journey on my road of success.
    I take this "journey" thing in a way that he is describing himself a passenger on a route, rather than a driving force. I take it as a reference to the ever-changing situation that is what dynamic types live in.

    How would you describe your leadership style?
    I lead with respect and by example. If you treat others with respect, and demonstrate passion and commitment, others will take your lead. Leadership comes in many shapes and sizes, but ultimately, to ensure the long-term stability and success of any organization, leading with passion and by example will set you up for maximum success.
    Of this, I have to mention that watching the series, he very quickly became the unofficial leader of the group and was accepted as such by many other contestants. Something that I want to mention here is that "passion" is a word much used by many types and definitely all EJ types. Leading by example is actually kind of a S>N thing, but that could just mean high Te.

    How do you deal with personal and professional challenges?
    Perspective is everything. It's not the challenges you face, as much as how you face them. Personal and professional challenges are tremendously beneficial if tackled with the right attitude and perspective. Remember this, life is full of lemons, and it's too short to not make lemonade! Put everything into perspective and you can overcome any challenge.
    This is pretty much the definition of ENTj victimism. Accept anything that is thrown at you, take initiative in turning it around, finding the opportunity. Seeing it as an intellectual challenge to find the correct path through a mine-field. This is strong and stereotypical.

    What, in your opinion, is the most important quality to have in order to succeed in life and why?
    Passion. Everything roots from passion - perspective and frame of reference, appetite for knowledge, determination to win, desire to create value, and focus to achieve an end game. With passion, anything is possible, and the journey is much more enjoyable. It's not just about the destination. it's about the journey.
    Focus to achieve an end-game is sort of how I would phrase Te-Fi seriousness. Instead of wanting to create possibilities, turning things into a "merry" adventure with curious and wonderful and unexpected outcomes, this person is about decreasing improbability, locking things down, turning towards a more stable positive situation. Again he talks about "the journey". I myself tend to talk about "the river" (of events, on which I'm sailing). I think these are parallel metaphors.

    Have any previous Apprentice winners motivated or inspired you? If so, who and why? If not, what did you think of the winners?
    First, allow me to say that all 18 candidates are winners. If you are qualified to be selected among one million applicants for the final round, you're clearly a winner. That said, and knowing there is really only "one" Apprentice, I'd say the chosen one is typically a person who flies below the radar, is generally reserved in mannerisms, is not controversial, is not outspoken, and certainly not adversarial. Most off all, I'd say the past winners have been people who are more solid business people rather than true entrepreneurs.
    Notice how he isn't actually eyeing the grand prize here. He's already a winner. Seeing trends, paying attention and actually making a reasonably good synthesis here. Obviously he's paid mind. Also, non-committal as ever. Keeps his opportunities open.

    Would you rather be stranded on a desert island with Donald, George, or Carolyn, and why?
    Tough one. I'd probably have to go with Big D because we could build a "6-STARRR FUULLL luxury REZZZ-ORT and an AHHH-MAZING golf course" (out of 5 stars of course).
    That would be a joke. Also it's observing the trend of what people tend to do, which is kind of Ni, though this is also kind of obvious. Anyway, humour tends to be difficult to type since it may be difficult to see exactly what the person finds funny about the joke.

    What are your favorite books?
    Who Made My Lemonade?, Tipping Point, and Blink
    I've only read Tipping Point out of those. It's Ni in a

    from T***:
    Why they lost...
    "The minute we picked baseball, our fates were sealed because baseball was out of season and had already peaked."
    Oh, bad understanding the situation. Stings, eh?

    On the other team...
    "It's really unbelievable that they did win, with those misfits."
    Se-Ni > Si-Ne. Doesn't mind calling a group of succesful people misfits in public. And more to the point, he doesn't try to hide it behind a joke.

    The host is asking why Mark and James were fired...
    "Mark, who was one of my favorites on the show, did not, whatsoever, deserve to get fired. On the other hand James, the baseball know it all, was the driving force with us choosing baseball."
    Is benefactor to ESTp-Mark and obviously had a good relation with him. James, the conflictor, ISFp gets the blame.

    On Rebecca...
    "I absolutely was her wheelchair manager at one point. I actually called her out on it a few times, I said enough with the fake cast, enough of the bullshit." <~~~ I'm guessing that last part is a joke bc he followed it up with positive comments about Rebecca.
    This is supposed to be a superego relationship. Not entirely good, not entirely bad. Sort of needless and nasty here. I don't know why he had to say this. The show doesn't let us really see how these two interact.

    On Jennifer M....
    "No, we're not at odds. What happened in the boardroom, stays in the boardroom. Basically, when you're in there, you have to go with the strategy that's gonna work. She was the easiest target because she was the head of sales, but at the end of the day, it really WAS my responsibility and James' because we picked the sport."
    It's supposed to be a quasi-identical relationship Josh ENTj, Jen ENTp. I think he's sligthly in denial. Or smart. It's not useful to state out everyone you dislike.

    "He didn't say anything about Clay and Markus. The only other person he mentioned was Bill, who he said was probably being groomed to take George's position after he croaks or something like that. I don't know if he was trying to be funny or what, but his George hate bothered me. "
    ENTj-Te, disliking ISTj-Ti. It's sort of illusionary, sort of contrary relationship. Contrary relations can really hurt. Anyway, he's mostly showing general disrespect to the whole alpha-beta Trump organization here, or that's what it seems.

    All in all, I'm happy with thinking he's ENTj.
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    Still regarding Marshawn, from T***:

    "I just saw the yahoo extended footage, and it seems that Marshawn was very much involved in developing the concept for the video.

    The idea to appeal to the ego and present a challenge to the viewers came from Alla, Kristi and Felisha (or Jen M) but Marshawn had the final say in choosing that idea when they were discussing the concept for the video before any editing took place.

    In one of the clips they show how during the editing Jen M. comes up with the line "Do you need permission?" and Alla loves that idea, but she calls Marshawn to ask her opinion. Marshawn says that they had already agreed on the text for the video and she does not feel comfortable changing it at this point. Alla disagrees and puts that line in anyway, which turns out to be a huge winner."


    and another:

    "A lot of people say Marshawn talks a good talk, but can't walk a good walk.I really have a lot of respect for Marshawn and if I ever want a lawyer to defend my case or to debate for me, she'll be the first person I call. But if it comes to getting a task done, she wouldn't be my first choice. I don't think she ever earned our respect [as a leader]."

    That's a quote from Jennifer M's interview at thefishbowl.com. I didn't get the entire thing, but she didn't seem to be buying the Marshawn hype. Basically, she liked Marshawn, but she didn't do a whole lot."

    AND

    "Looking at the extra footage this week...Randal says how he was shocked that Marshawn went and he didn't think she choked."

    ..............

    ANYWAY, on with the show

    The next "squeaky wheel" was Clay Lee

    Clay, 28, originally from the small town of Stephenville, Texas, has been involved with real estate his entire life, both through his parent's custom home business and the very detailed homes he built using the thousand's of Lego's� he still owns. Clay attended Texas A&M University for three years where, during his freshman year, he realized his passion was real estate and began working as a REALTOR�'s assistant. A year later he moved his real estate license to Century 21 Beal, Inc. where he has worked for almost nine years. His unique attention to detail and creative abilities have driven him to be one of the top real estate agents in the Bryan/College Station area. Clay's specialty is new construction where he loves to help buyers and builders design and create unique properties to fit their lifestyles or market demands.

    When will you consider yourself "a success"?
    I'll consider myself a success when I have made enough money not to have to think about it anymore, do whatever I want, work for fun, be able to give back as much as I want, travel, and truly do anything I set my mind to do without anything holding me back.

    How would you describe your leadership style?
    I would describe my leadership style as organized and decision based. I'm not the kind of person that wants to brainstorm for hours and only make decisions that everyone is happy on. I listen to input, delegate responsibility, and ultimately make decisions based on the information provided. I listen to those that disagree with me and take those ideas into consideration. However, I ultimately do what I think is best since when you are in a leadership role, it's your fault if things go wrong.

    How do you deal with personal and professional challenges?
    I used to deal with personal and professional challenges by crawling in a hole and hiding from them, hoping they would go away. Now I hit them head on - try to get to the bottom of them. When I'm alerted to problems, I quickly strategize about how to handle them, and then I get on the horn to try and get as much information as I can as quickly as possible. Then I go to work to solve the challenge/problem and try to put it to bed as soon as possible. But I don't sit back and whine about it, hoping it will take care of itself, because it never does.


    What, in your opinion, is the most important quality to have in order to succeed in life and why?
    Determination is by far the most important quality to have in order to succeed in life because without it, you will never be anything. Even the most mentally challenged people in the world have accomplished great things because they were determined and never gave up. If you are determined enough, you may run into some brick walls, but after a while you'll do what you are trying to do.

    What's more important: college education or real-world experience?
    It truly depends on the person. All people are different, so different things inspire them and make them great. But if I were only going to have one, I would take the real-world experience. However, a good mix of the two is by far the best option.

    Have any previous Apprentice winners motivated or inspired you? If so, who and why? If not, what did you think of the winners?
    Bill motivated me because he has truly made the most of his experiences. Kelly disappointed me because I see him as a "yes" man that will be a puppet. Kendra is a truly intelligent woman, and I think she will go far if she can get rid of her "greater than thou" attitude. That's the other thing about Bill that impresses me. He just seems to be very grounded and open to talking to anyone and doesn't feel that he's better than everyone else; he seems to truly just feel lucky.

    What have you learned from watching previous seasons of The Apprentice?
    I've learned that when you are in charge, you have to watch every single detail! It's all on your back, and there are no excuses for not knowing what is going on with your business. I've also learned to accept that your competition is talking about you, and you have to watch out for what they will do next and not leave yourself too vulnerable.

    Would you rather be stranded on a desert island with Donald, George, or Carolyn and why?
    I would never want to be stranded with Carolyn, because I feel like she is the least interesting and wouldn't have a clue what to do while we were there without a boss to tell her what to do, and I'm afraid she might eat me if we ran out of food! It's a toss up between George and Donald. I love George to death. I think he is a truly amazing gentleman and would love to spend time with him to truly pick his brain and learn from him. I also think that he would be easy to get along with and would be sensible about getting things done. In the end, I'd be stupid not to say Donald Trump. If I'm stranded with Donald, most likely the media is going to be looking for him, and he has enough money to offer a hefty reward, and his family will spend the money to get him back. He'd be pissed off the entire time, but we would get off that damn island!

    What is your favorite music?
    I love all music except for rap. It really just depends on my mood. Right know I'm a Michael Bubl�, Norah Jones, Mariah Carey, Rob Thomas, Moby, and Gretchen Wilson fan.

    What are your favorite books?
    My favorite books are the Shopoholic series by Sophie Kinsella. If anyone reads those, it's almost my life!

    What are your favorite TV shows?
    Friends, most anything on HGTV, most anything on TLC, The Apprentice, The Biggest Looser, I Love Lucy, Saturday Night Live, Extreme Home Makeover, and Las Vegas.

    What are your favorite movies?
    Napoleon Dynamite, Under the Tuscan Sun, Love Actually, Steel Magnolias, Varsity Blues, Memento, Go, The Birdcage, Big Daddy, Sordid Lives, Harry Potter, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, and American Beauty

    ...

    Again, from T***:

    "Has anyone heard Clay's Fishbowl interview for this week?? All I can say is that he really lays into Adam, Alla, and Felisha. He also comments on Rebecca as well. Dude is like way bittercakes.

    Apparently, Clay also divulges on Alla being questioned about being a stripper. He said that she lied and said no when she was asked whether or not she was a stripper. I think that the recap episode may go more in detail with this moment. "
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    Slowly approaching the end.

    We have, Adam Israelov:

    Adam, 22, graduated at the age of 20 in the top of his class from Georgia State University with a B.B.A. majoring in risk management and insurance. He began his career at the early age of 19 at Marsh & McLennan Companies, a fortune 200 Company, in their investment banking division. By age 20, Adam was managing a book of business, at Marsh USA Inc., exceeding three million for blue chip companies providing them with tailored risk management solutions. He recently moved to New York City where he is currently working for one of the Big 4 Accounting/Advisory Firms where he advises the head of fortune 500 Companies on risk management strategies. As a first generation American, Adam derives his inspiration and entrepreneurial spirit from his parents successful business that they started from nothing and grew to a multimillion-dollar enterprise. Additionally, growing up, Adam worked in the family tool and dye machine shop business and managed the family's multimillion-dollar real estate business located in the heart of metro Atlanta. Adam's summers were spent in Israel, his family's origin, which had a tremendous influence on his values.

    When will you consider yourself "a success"?
    Every time I accomplish a milestone in life I consider myself successful, but how can anyone who's constantly striving for more ever consider him or herself a success?

    How would you describe your leadership style?
    My leadership style is summed up best by the words of our late President Ronald Reagan: "Trust, but verify."

    How do you deal with personal and professional challenges?
    Logic and reason always prevail. I look at the facts and do a detailed analysis and then, and only then, do I make a decision. In addition, I strive for answers and advice from those that care about me the most: my father, mother, and brother.

    What, in your opinion, is the most important quality to have in order to succeed in life and why?
    Integrity coupled with passion; without this essential quality the rest is hogwash.

    What's more important: college education or real-world experience?
    No matter what you achieve in life, you are always judged by your education. For example, look at the last presidential election. A sitting senator ran against a sitting president and not only did voters compare their degrees, but they were still harping on their SAT scores. Face it - education matters.

    Have any previous Apprentice winners motivated or inspired you? If so, who and why. If not, what did you think of the winners?
    Bill Rancic. There were no surprises, just consistent performance. He has all the qualities I expect of a leader, but his ability to maintain integrity under fire distinguished him from his competition and secured him as the ultimate Apprentice.

    What have you learned from watching previous seasons of The Apprentice?
    Stand with your convictions, defend your values, and fight for the win!

    Would you rather be stranded on a desert island with Donald, George, or Carolyn, and why?
    Before I make my choice, I'd have to set up a reality TV competition between Donald, George, and Carolyn to see who wins the right to be stranded on a desert island with me.


    What is your favorite music?
    Frank Sinatra, Green Day, Bon Jovi

    What are your favorite books?
    Night by Elie Wiesel, The No Spin Zone

    What are your favorite TV shows?
    The Andy Griffith Show, Columbo, The O'Reilly Factor, Hannity & Colmes

    What are your favorite movies?
    The Graduate, The Pianist, My Cousin Vinny

    ...

    from T***-forums:

    "Okay, so believe it or not, I went to middle school and college with Adam at GSU. Here's the low down. Back in our Griffin Middle School days, he was the boy that everyone hated. Super smart, cocky, kid with the bowl haircut and annoying parents to match. He sung in the chorus and was the "gay boy in the class". By that I mean the kid that everyone knows well end up gay but he's too young to know that because he's like 11 and his sexual preference hasn't come out. He was also very into his culture. I got the idea his parents were very... this is where you live but Isreal is where your home is, although he was born here in America.

    In college, I didn't even know he went to GSU until my junior year. Once I did notice him on campus, I wasn't really in a rush to go speak to him because to me he's always been the annoying geeky kid in the front of the class. I saw him in Waffle House last year and we had a conversation. He seemed like the same genius know it all but not as annoying (that might have more to do with him not being 12).

    All this to say, I'm totally psyched to see him on the Apprentice. It's always fun to say... man that's Adam Isrealoff from 7th grade. But the way I'm not sure if that's how you spell it but that's how his last name sounds.. isreal-off. I would have to trash my garage looking for my middle school year book to find out the correct spelling and I'm too lazy for all that. And I think you can forget him coming out if he is gay. His family is WAY too religious for him to come out to even if that were the case. He wouldn't put that out there in a million years. I don't think. But then again, I only really know him from a long time ago, I just happen to go to the same MAJOR university with him.

    Can he please get some camera time? Oh, and he's WAY too young to be there. 22? They are going to eat him alive. Even if that's the case, he has an awesome job to go back to so he'll be fine... damnit, I wish I would have known all of this when I was 12, maybe I can be his beard! "

    and another person's comment on him:

    "Hey Extraem7, I take offense to that. I wasn't a "geek/asshole" in middle school, high school, or college and I'm very successful and in graduate school. There is difference in being nerdy and being a know-it-all... Adam is a Know-it-all. Let's just say modesty is not his thing when it comes to his intelligence and bragging on it. If you have to keep telling people you are smart, you probably aren't. Although I will give him credit, he was a bright kid and is very successful, I'm not hating on him for getting there at all. I'm just reporting his personality from 11 and 20.

    By the way, I laughed my ass off on last Thursday night with the jingle. Wow, all the time in chorus and the boy still can't sing. You guys didn't have to hear him practicing every damn day at lunch... vocal warm ups my ass! Oh yeah, he was a Disney freak too! Yeah, I remember him singing the Lion King soundtrack all day everyday. "

    and a part of a response to that:

    "The fact is that Adam does not complain. He smiles. He did well with the seniors."

    also another addition from T***:

    "But in the extra footage Clay went up to Adam before the presentation to the class and told him a joke about Jews something to the effect that it takes Jews an hour to have sex-10 minutes for sex and 50 minutes of guilt so I think that Adam became insulted at the presentation because it was not the first time Adam made a reference but also Adam WAS concerned what some of the people in the class would think. I think the best thing Clay and Adam should do now is chalk it up to a misunderstanding and get on with the future tasks at hand. The goal is winning tasks and getting to the finals. "

    also this:

    "I just listened to Clay's Fishbowl interview, and he says a really disgusting thing about Adam. Adam is basically a nice guy, and it sure does reflect badly on Clay to speak of him in that light. "

    and this:"I was put in a tough environment and I was forced to talk about a topic that I was originally not comfortable with talking about in a public forum. I learned about managing difficult people. Looking at the group, we had Alla (whom I adore and love), Felisha, Clay, Markus… these personalities were off the chart. I was managing difficult personalities. As a young person, I was tested by Mr. Trump in the boardroom and he put me in an uncomfortable situation. I stood by my morals and ethical values. I stood the chance of being fired and I fought. I fought well and ethically. My personality really came out to America and people knew what I stood for."

    ...........

    Incidentally, about Adam's official webpage. It's almost devoid of content but it has links to most other participants' web pages.
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    Hmm... a few I recognise posted here.

    Alan Sugar - ESI (if not, then LSI)
    Katy Hopkins - SEE
    Piers Morgan - EIE
    Founder & President of World Socionics Society
    http://www.facebook.com/groups/worldsocionicssociety

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