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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    This isn't necessarily related to only deltas, but, it's something we could talk about. Basically, post things that you see as being socioincally relevant - or instances in real conversation/interaction where you think socionics comes through in a clear way. There are some moments where I say "wow, this really exemplifies...." - do you have the same? I've been thinking about making a thread like this for a while, and some things from today finally led to it happening.


    Holiday gatherings may yield some quotes, like they did for me, today.
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    A Family Gathering:

    The SLE of the family is known as the trouble maker. He tickles kids and swears. He's very good natured, but he's definitely dominant and likes to influence other people.

    I noticed for the first time a growing affinity from the SLE, who is an older 40+ uncle in the faimly, and an EIE who is in middle school now- the SLE's nephew. There was a very Beta moment at one point - the EIE was remarking about how he didn't like much of his family (playfully) ((also - most of his family is alpha/delta)). He said, jokingly, that he would disown everyone -- everyone but the SLE, who was "cool". The SLE and EIE have known each other for along time, but this was the first time - the first family gathering - where the EIE seemed overtly drawn to the very strong of the SLE; it was interesting to see.

    Later on, the same EIE was commenting about one of his other cousins. The daughter of the SLE happens, actually, to be EII. (She's EII 9w1, and until the last few years has been extremely shy and rarely spoke, even though she's now in elementary school). I don't remember what, but, the EIE made a remark about the EII in passing: "I don't like her, she doesn't talk to me, doesn't smile at me, and doesn't let me hug her. She's not nice to me". The EIE was definitely making remarks about the EII not valuing his , not being receptive to it. Keep in mind, these were sort of just passing remarks, and not meant to be hurting, just a rather honest reaction ((which is good to look for in typing people)). Remembering, perhaps, I think someone told the EIE to sit next to an EII for a photo, or something of that nature, and so this led to his response - a declaration of why he didn't want to sit next to the EII.

    I engaged in some discussion of current events with an LSE later on, and some other events of the evening were taking place - hectic things, some family drama. The quote stuck in my head of his is: "That's why I just try to keep my life boring". This LSE is a Te subtype 1w9 sp. He kind of exemplifies, in his life, a very "conservative" lifestyle - in terms of the choice of his spouse (an ESI he knew growing up, which was an obvious and safe choice), and his lifestyle and occupation. Anyhow, his remark about keeping his life boring was one version of being an LSE, and I thought his own words captured very well his general persona - which is extremely "safe". He takes risks, and he's still capable of kicking ass, but, he's very content with a small town way of life, and his family. During a somewhat tumultuous situation that night (family member in a hospital), he spent time reassuring people. Later (rather boringly, to most, I assume), he explained some of the new features in his home - how the unorthodox fireplace works, and his now robot vacuum cleaner.
    I read the whole thing and i think you are a very understanding and a well thinking guy inside your head. maybe that's why they always refer UDP with charisma.
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    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    I very much enjoyed your post UDP. I found it both clear and insightful.
    I would like to write some observations about a recent social experience I had, after reading your post I will attempt to keep it as clear as possible.
    It's more observation to start with, should be some quotes at the end.

    I had gone out for a drink with two friends, an LSE and an LII, myself being IEE.

    To add some context the LII had in his youth, some issues with being treated badly by women.
    A few years ago another friend of his suggested to him that he was too nice and should treat women a little meaner to get them to like/love/respect him etc.
    My friend had always described his friend as an "alpha male", I had never met this person.
    He has now been going out with an SEI for about two years, he has very little time for her and in my opinion treats her less well than he should.
    In my opinion her confidence suffers from his attitude towards her and the consensus amoungst our mutual friends is that they do not have a healthy relationship.

    Anyway...back to what was for me a curious and enlightening moment.
    The three of us were having a drink, when a friend of the LII spots us and comes over to join us accompanied by his girlfriend.
    I was paying particular attention to everyones interactions, as I was still at this point uncertain as to whether the LII, was LII or ILE
    Well to cust down a very long story to just a long one, the friend was SLE and she was IEI and of course, he was the one that gave my friend the advise that seemed to be so damaging and contrary to who he really is.

    Nearly time for some quotes...well paraphrases...After the SLE and the IEI left, I started talking to my friends just to confirm or reject my observations.

    LII: aaaAARrghh laddy, you be taking this nonsense too serious, I be worried about ye, I think ye be fooling in it, to escape other problems! In additon most pirates not be interested in this type of mental sorcery
    LSE: Actually I'm really interested in this stuff I like it, I just don't have time, to look at it properly


    We start to talk about the SLE and IEI.

    LII: aaaAARrghh laddy, I will tell you something, she be follwing that swashbuckling sea dog wherever he goes, if he be wanting to talk to his crew she'll be hovering around obediently until he be ready to savage her. That be when he gave me the advise to treat wenches like wenches.
    Me: I say something really clever, witty and insightful.
    LII: says something...not stupid...but missing the point
    Me: I say somthing else
    LSE: tells me to stop being so defensive.
    If my memory serves me correctly, I then got distracted by a buxom wench, clench my cutlass between my teeth and swing on a chandalier over to the bar. I then buy a happy hour mojito for myself and a white wine for the lady.

    hmmm...I'm not really sure what my point was...I suppose what it comes down to is that it was really funny watching my supervisor getting supervised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somavision View Post
    I then got distracted by a buxom wench
    It happens.
    Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
    If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.

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    [05:46] zzz: morning?
    [05:46] xxx: morning
    [05:47] xxx: hey
    [05:47] zzz: heh whats up?
    [05:47] xxx: not much
    [05:47] zzz: why are u awake?
    [05:49] xxx: thinking
    [05:49] xxx: and talking to people
    [05:49] zzz: thinking about what?
    [05:49] xxx: many things
    [05:51] zzz: uh ok
    [05:51] xxx: right now I'm having a discussion about sex, actually.
    [05:52] zzz: ok ill let u go
    [05:52] xxx: ........
    [05:52] xxx: why do you interpret what I say as me telling you to go or stay?
    [05:53] xxx: You asked me what I was doing, and then I told you
    [05:53] zzz: cuz u werent totally forthcoming about it and u didnt ask me anything about it so i interpreted it as u not wanting to talk which i dont think is a strange way to interpret u being vague
    [05:54] xxx: I was forthcoming
    [05:54] xxx: I told you exactly what was going on.
    [05:54] zzz: ok nvm
    [05:54] xxx: many things, and then one thing specifically
    [05:54] xxx: that discussion
    [05:54] zzz: im not offended or nething i just dont like feeling like im in a convo that the other person doesnt wanna be in
    [05:56] zzz: im sorry if i missinterpret u
    [05:56] zzz: but i just guess sometimes the way u talk makes me feel that way
    [05:56] xxx: I understand
    [05:57] zzz: well thanks for understanding, ill work on it. i guess i just have a hard time trusting that when people say something...thats all they r saying, im used to deeper/double meanings
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    Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
    If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.

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    ~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.

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    zzz would get on my nerves easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    [05:51] xxx: right now I'm having a discussion about sex, actually.


    For me the placement of the coma and having the word "actually" seems quite abrubt. This sentence does nothing to open up a conversation.

    If the sentence appeared like this.

    [05:51] xxx: actually right now I'm having a discussion about sex.


    That for me would seem like an invitation to continue the discussion.


    [05:52] zzz: ok ill let u go

    I think that this is good manners, if someone has stated that they are already engaged in a conversation, I would not want to intrude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    [05:46] zzz: morning?
    [05:46] xxx: morning
    [05:47] xxx: hey
    [05:47] zzz: heh whats up?
    [05:47] xxx: not much
    [05:47] zzz: why are u awake?
    [05:49] xxx: thinking
    [05:49] xxx: and talking to people
    [05:49] zzz: thinking about what?
    [05:49] xxx: many things
    [05:51] zzz: uh ok
    [05:51] xxx: right now I'm having a discussion about sex, actually.
    [05:52] zzz: ok ill let u go
    [05:52] xxx: ........
    [05:52] xxx: why do you interpret what I say as me telling you to go or stay?
    [05:53] xxx: You asked me what I was doing, and then I told you
    [05:53] zzz: cuz u werent totally forthcoming about it and u didnt ask me anything about it so i interpreted it as u not wanting to talk which i dont think is a strange way to interpret u being vague
    [05:54] xxx: I was forthcoming
    [05:54] xxx: I told you exactly what was going on.
    [05:54] zzz: ok nvm
    [05:54] xxx: many things, and then one thing specifically
    [05:54] xxx: that discussion
    [05:54] zzz: im not offended or nething i just dont like feeling like im in a convo that the other person doesnt wanna be in
    [05:56] zzz: im sorry if i missinterpret u
    [05:56] zzz: but i just guess sometimes the way u talk makes me feel that way
    [05:56] xxx: I understand
    [05:57] zzz: well thanks for understanding, ill work on it. i guess i just have a hard time trusting that when people say something...thats all they r saying, im used to deeper/double meanings
    zzz sounds like my EII friend

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