Ishysquishy's Guide to Remembering the Details

[Creepy-]

Aim

Jadae mentioned that we needed a chart to remember PoLR/HA etc. but I insist that charts are completely unnecessary!

So, for those of you having trouble remembering these things, this is what I do...

(btw, I'm assuming you know the skeleton of Model A, you might want to familiarise yourselves with it if you aren't already)

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3 Important Details

#1 Introverted and extroverted functions alternate.

LSE - Te Si Fe Ni

#2 Judging and perceiving functions alternate.

LSE - T(j) S(p) F(j) N(p)

#3 The sub-conscious functions are opposite of the conscious functions.

LSE - Te Si Fe Ni // Fi Ne Ti Se

Knowing these 3 things, it becomes apparent that there is only 2 things you ever need to remember about any type: the first two functions (because once they are both established there is only one option for the rest of the functions).

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In the event that you have a memory as bad as mine, you don't even need to remember those two functions because if you know what to look for they are immediately obvious in the type names/acronymns.

For example - the Logical-Sensory Extratim.

Step 1: look at the first word. We now know the first function of the LSE is T.

Step 2: check whether they are an overall Intratim or Extratim. The Extratim has an extraverted 1st function so we have Te.

Knowing only one function tells you a lot about the rest of their psyche. Knowing Te, we also know:

Te ?i Fe ?i // Fi ?e Ti ?e

Step 3: the second word fills in the gaps. It also tells you the PoLR and the Hidden Agenda.

Te Se Fe Ni etc....

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Any questions?

[Angel von Himmel]

Or you can do it this way:

1. Memorize the dominant and auxillary functions of each type
(ex: ENTp= NeTi, ENFp=NeFi, ISFp=SiFe,ISTp=SiTe)

2. Then, memorize which extroverted functions correspond to which introverted functions.

Ne = Si
Ni = Se
Si = Ne
Se = Ni

Te = Fi
Ti = Fe
Fi = Te
Fe = Ti

3. Next, put the two together, and you should have the Ego and Super-ID blocks.

[ex: ENTp = (Ego=NeTi,Super-Id=SiFe) ENFp = (Ego=NeFi,Super-Id=SiTe)]

4. To get the Id and Super-EGo blocks, just inverse how you derived the Ego and Super-EGO blocks into extroverted and introverted equivalents.

[ex: ENTp = (Id=NiTe,Super-Ego=SeFi) ENFp = (Id=NiFe,Super-Ego=SeTi)]]

5. Now, you should be able to build a model for every type from the 1st function to the 8th function with little difficulty ...

ENTp = Ne,Ti,Se,Fi,Si,Fe,Ni,Te

ENFp = Ne,Fi,Se,Ti,Si,Te,Ni,Fe

ISFp = Si,Fe,Ni,Te,Ne,Ti,Se,Fi

ISTp = Si,Te,Ni,Fe,Se,Fi,Se,Ti

[ILENTp]

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[Angel von Himmel]

You only need to memorize an algorithm (i.e. HA=opposite of creative), not all these specifics. I thought you called yourself N.

Me or Ishy?

[ILENTp]

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[Angel von Himmel]

You, she was talking algorithms. ("#1 Introverted and extroverted functions alternate. )

Mine is also an algorithm, just somewhat shorter.

[ILENTp]

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[Angel von Himmel]

1. Memorize the dominant and auxillary functions of each type
(ex: ENTp= NeTi, ENFp=NeFi, ISFp=SiFe,ISTp=SiTe)

This is not an algorithm^.

Correct, those are the variables that get plugged into the algorithm ...

[ILENTp]

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[Angel von Himmel]

There is no point is memorizing functions. You memorize the system once and you don't have to memorize how functions relate to each other.

This is like memorizing 1pm=13.00, 2pm=14.00, 3pm=15.00, instead of just memorising (Time)pm+12=Zulu-time or whatever the hell you people call it.

In that case, I will simplify it for you ...

NTp = [Intuition/Thinking]
NFp = [Intuition/Feeling]
STp = [Sensing/Thinking]
SFp = [Sensing/Feeling]

NTj = [Thinking/Intuition]
NFj = [Feeling/Intuition]
STj = [Thinking/Sensing]
SFj = [Feeling/Sensing]

Just remember that an extrovert has an extroverted first function and an introverted second function, and an introvert has an introverted first function and an extroverted second function.

A monkey could remember this ...

[ILENTp]

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[Creepy-]

My whole idea, of course, was to emphasise the fact that charts are not necessary. Charts imply memorisation, all you really need is an understanding of how the Model A is constructed and how to find the information you need to fill it in.

[Creepy-]

Also to encourage use of Socionics names instead of MBTI

[Angel von Himmel]

Good Ishy!

[UDP]

Good Ishy!

very good Ishy
...


somewhat

[Creepy-]

Good Ishy!

very good Ishy
...


somewhat

Oh?

[UDP]

Don't "oh?" me

[Creepy-]

"Oh?" = elaborate please. You need to tell me what "somewhat" is really saying

[UDP]

I think if I said anything nice right now, that it would be far too out of character for some. Rapid changes may throw the forum into disarray...