Where are all the Gammas?

[ArchonAlarion]

Gamma more intense, deeper relationship, alpha, live by the moment and easier relationship.

nope.

It was based on the running joke about fake gammas. That's based on the repeating pattern here of people who want to identify as gammas, and of people who want to push people out of the gamma quadra. So in the end the consensus is that nobody actually is gamma.

Or maybe because Socionics is a way of categorically and explicitly defining relationships (Ti) and taking hidden interchangeable qualities to build up types (Ne).

Perhaps Aushra (Ti ENTp) fuckin made a system that just doesn't attract Gamma's?

Socionics is like any other thing. Its quadra tainted and isn't universally desired.

People who want to organize and categorize people and their relationships based on some formula or method will seek out typological systems and will make up a majority. Most everyone else just stumbles on it or sees it as an applique to some larger field of psychology.

[Warlord]

Or maybe because Socionics is a way of categorically and explicitly defining relationships (Ti) and taking hidden interchangeable qualities to build up types (Ne).

Perhaps Aushra (Ti ENTp) fuckin made a system that just doesn't attract Gamma's?

Socionics is like any other thing. Its quadra tainted and isn't universally desired.

People who want to organize and categorize people and their relationships based on some formula or method will seek out typological systems and will make up a majority. Most everyone else just stumbles on it or sees it as an applique to some larger field of psychology.

In longer course of time, there are really just about as many gammas here as there of people of other quadras, so no.

In the material available about socionics, there's something for everyone. All people who come here don't know about the theory beforehand, or just care about that aspect. People can have very different motivations.

And that's just BS attempt at rationalising, of people who can't type worth shit, to cover their obviously political nature of their typings.

You're totally ignorant of Aushra's system, so what are you doing here?

[ArchonAlarion]

In longer course of time, there are really just about as many gammas here as there of people of other quadras, so no.

In the material available about socionics, there's something for everyone. All people who come here don't know about the theory beforehand, or just care about that aspect. People can have very different motivations.

And that's just BS attempt at rationalising, of people who can't type worth shit, to cover their obviously political nature of their typings.

You're totally ignorant of Aushra's system, so what are you doing here?

1. Prove it.

2. Why would I be politically motivated to advocate someone's theories I don't even get along with? You demonstrate an extremely poor knowledge of my relations to other advocates of alternate theories.

3. I am not ignorant Model A or of original Socionics theory, and I still accept the premises of her work, so again you are wrong.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

I think it should be considered that (out of all the quadras), Gamma's tend not to interact with others unless their is some profit in it.

Consequently they come and go on the forum.

[Warlord]

Prove it.

Look at user typing lists of people who actually can type, you'll see they are quite even in terms of quadras.

Why would I be politically motivated to advocate someone's theories I don't even get along with?

Well, why are you? You tell me. In your case, you're just monkeying and being naive.

I am not ignorant Model A or of original Socionics theory, and I still accept the premises of her work, so again you are wrong.

So you say. But that's not how other people see it from your writing.

[Warlord]

Consequently they come and go on the forum.

To a general extent, that is true. However, I would say it more like: Gamma's usually don't stick around or interact with others just because. Without a sense of purpose or a sense of fulfillment and gain, they tend to move on quickly to other pastures which prove more rewarding, concrete, and familial.

Yeah, one reason of Gammas who stay here, is that stay here because they've made personal connections to other people. If these people leave, they've stopped coming here too.

[ArchonAlarion]

Look at user typing lists of people who actually can type, you'll see they are quite even in terms of quadras.

That's such bs lol. That doesn't prove anything especially if I have seen those lists and still disagree with those typings.

Well, why are you? You tell me. In your case, you're just monkeying and being naive.

Nope. Even if I don't get along with someone, if they have useful information then I have no qualms about using it myself.

Ya see, if everyone was more chill about theories around here, then no one would care if someone tried out a theory, even if they discarded it later. People wouldn't feel the need to start an insult chain and attack people personally.

Its because of the politicking done by others (before I even came here) that has caused such enmity between people. Its obnoxious.

So you say. But that's not how other people see it from your writing.

Fine. I really don't care tbh.

[Expat]

Yeah, one reason of Gammas who stay here, is that stay here because they've made personal connections to other people. If these people leave, they've stopped coming here too.

That makes sense.

[ArchonAlarion]

Being a Ti mode, I hate personal connections.

All I want is logic and and shiney, happy people.

[Warlord]

That's a reason for some of the rest of us as well though.

Probably. In comparision of alphas and gammas here, the connections between alphas seem to be more spread out, so less dependent on few inviduals.

[Azeroffs]

Also I just have to say gamma NTs only dislike and when it contradicts the main functions. Sometimes we need the logical understnding of things to make use of it and we need the possibilities in order to come to probabilities. It's when you bombard the probabilities with possibilities or actions with understandings that it will start to annoy a gamma NT. We know and use and but only if it doesn't get in the way of and . I enjoy socionics because it's useful and applicable to real life. Not that others don't, but alpha NTs are known for learning things for the sake of it.

[ArchonAlarion]

hmm, imo there are enough Gammas in the community to probably assume that they are attracted to socionics just as much as other quadras. by people's self-typings at least, Intuitive (NT and NF) types in general are most prevalent overall. I'd say this is because of socionics' relatively abstract nature; it's not hands-on or concrete enough to attract and keep the interest of as many Sensing (SF and ST) types.

and yeah, socionics is + in nature, but imo there are plenty of reasons different types will be attracted to it, even if they don't value those elements. Fi superids may like socionics because it can help them understand their personal relationships better. Ti superids may like it because it's a logical, concise system that can improve their understanding. NTs in general may like it because of the the theoretical aspect; they may look to improve, critique, and expand on the theory. and etc.

Obviously I type a good deal of people different from their self typings, so yeah.

From how I type people, the following types are the most active and/or numerous:

Ti ENTp
Fe INFp
Xx INTj
Ne INFj
Fi ENFp
Ni INFp
Xx ISTp

So lots of Ne egos, with a good bit of INFp's and a few ISTp's

[Tom]

Why do all INTjs want to be INTps?

INTps are all stupid 2s and 3s; Your childish 5ishness proclaims your INTj-ness with a fervor even our utterly-oblivious-to-that-fact, new-york-dwelling, fiveasaur lacks.

Gammas include, but are not limited to:

LIE-Ashton
LIE-FDG
ILI-Cpig
ILI-ZTCrawCrustle (sp?)
SEE-Hoodrat
SEE-Dolphin
ESI-Allie
ESI-Calenwen

Niff and Warlord do not come into this group. Expat I've decided to give the benefit of the doubt, having not spoken with him, though he does seem LSE.

[ArchonAlarion]

INTps are all stupid 2s and 3s; Your childish 5ishness proclaims your INTj-ness with a fervor even our utterly-oblivious-to-that-fact, new-york-dwelling, fiveasaur lacks.

I doubt many INTp's are 2's and i bet almost none are 3's.

It just happens that we know a 1w2/2w1 one. I dont think its common. Most are probably 5w6 5w4 1w9 9w1.

[Warlord]

Why do all INTjs want to be INTps?

INTps are all stupid 2s and 3s; Your childish 5ishness proclaims your INTj-ness with a fervor even our utterly-oblivious-to-that-fact, new-york-dwelling, fiveasaur lacks.

Niff and Warlord do not come into this group. Expat I've decided to give the benefit of the doubt, having not spoken with him, though he does seem LSE.

Tell me, how do I value Fe more than you do? I can easily find many posts where you show that you value Fe.

I don't value Se based on what? Based on the same writings here on board, Joy has suggested Se-dominant as one of possible typings for me. If I seem that strongly Se-valuing to one person, how could I have Se-PoLR?

I'm not New Yorker, so I don't fit your description of TiNe's.

So if you type based on that writing CPig as "stupid 2 or 3", wouldn't this:

I doubt many INTp's are 2's and i bet almost none are 3's.

It just happens that we know a 1w2/2w1 one. I dont think its common. Most are probably 5w6 5w4 1w9 9w1.

...make it very unlikely that he's actually NiTe.

[Bardia]

Why do all INTjs want to be INTps?

INTps are all stupid 2s and 3s; Your childish 5ishness proclaims your INTj-ness with a fervor even our utterly-oblivious-to-that-fact, new-york-dwelling, fiveasaur lacks.

Gammas include, but are not limited to:

LIE-Ashton
LIE-FDG
ILI-Cpig
ILI-ZTCrawCrustle (sp?)
SEE-Hoodrat
SEE-Dolphin
ESI-Allie
ESI-Calenwen

Niff and Warlord do not come into this group. Expat I've decided to give the benefit of the doubt, having not spoken with him, though he does seem LSE.

You forgot at least one ESI

[ArchonAlarion]

lol poor bardia

Bardia: ISFj

[Jarno]

Why do all INTjs want to be INTps?

Why do all people misunderstand INTp's.

I remember there was a time when Niffweed claimed that all the INTp's on this forum weren't INTp's.

BTW what's the idea behind INTp's being a 2 or 3 on enneagram?

[Tom]

lol Warlord, the "new-york-dwelling fiveasaur" is Niffweed, not you.

And maybe not 3s per-se, but definitely 1s and 2s. I just really can't see an INTp five... 1w2, 2w1, 1w9, 9w1, and even 8w7 fit far better. 5w6 is such an INTj architype; all the types that center around 6 are Ep/Ij, not Ej/Ip. 5w6 is a static type. INTps are fully dynamic Ip/Ejs, and I won't except 6 from them.

Ni ILIs are 1s and 2s.
Te ILIs are the closest you'll get to 6s but are probably 8s. A 5w6 might come from this area, but not in the form of niffweed, certainly.

Warlord, you seem to be INTj; you definitely aren't Ni ILI, at the least. You certinly aren't Fi-focussed, not with your uncomfortable, meat-based avatars. I'd say the closest you'll come to Se valuing is ISTj, but I really don't think that's the case.

lol Sorry Bardia, I just wanted to name some examples I was sure of rather than mention someone I wasn't sure of

P.S.: Joy is wrong, entirely.

[duality is cringe]

@Archon, I'm really loving your avatar and sig lately, lol.

[Lotus]

I don't value Se based on what? Based on the same writings here on board, Joy has suggested Se-dominant as one of possible typings for me. If I seem that strongly Se-valuing to one person, how could I have Se-PoLR?

This is quite possibly the worst justification for a typing ever.

“One person suggests the possibility of me as Se-dominant, therefore I cannot be Se PoLR!”

Aside from the fact that that one person is Joy (who has also suggested that niffweed17 is Se ego; i.e., great source, man, totally valid!), you're forgetting that subjective user typings don't have the consistency of a puzzle. Just because one person considers the possibility of you as Se-dominant does not mean that you can't be Se-PoLR.

Take me for instance:

User:Aestrivex/userlist/list comparisons - WSWiki

The above link is niffweed17's comparison of user lists. Apparently I am currently listed as all of the following types:

ESI, ESI, ILE, ILE, IEI, SEE, ESI, ESI, ILE, β ST, IEE, ILE, ILE, IEI, ILE.

Gee, ⁴/₁₅ think I'm Fi-leading and ⁶/₁₅ think I'm Fi-PoLR. Six lists have me as Ne-leading and four lists have me as Ne-PoLR. Some people think I'm Ti-leading (not listed, but they've brought it up to me) and ²/₁₅ think I'm Ti-PoLR.

So by your line of reasoning:

If I seem that strongly Se-valuing to one person, how could I have Se-PoLR?

1. “If I seem that strongly [Fi]-valuing to [four] person[s], how could I have [Fi]-PoLR?”
2. “If I seem that strongly [Ne]-valuing to [six] person[s], how could I have [Ne]-PoLR?”

But the thing is, I have to value one or the other. So regardless of whether some people (or god forbid, one person… and god forbid again, it's Joy) see me as strongly leading in a particular element, it really does not matter. Otherwise, I'd just be cancelled out of the Socion.

[Warlord]

This is quite possibly the worst justification for a typing ever.

And I was trying to make an even remotely serious "justification"?

[Lotus]

ILE or ESI? Lol... How on earth....???

I've never had anything even remotely resembling a type consensus since I've been here. I kind of wanted to start a poll, but it'll probably just be all over the place as usual.

And I was trying to make an even remotely serious "justification"?

Tbh, yes. I think you were. Obviously I know that that's not the only justification you have for your type, but you were nevertheless serious in your reasoning. Are you claiming otherwise, or do you no longer stand behind what you said?

[ArchonAlarion]

she's kinda cute but more Gamma than Alpha i suspect.

lolwut!

[Warlord]

Tbh, yes. I think you were. Obviously I know that that's not the only justification you have for your type, but you were nevertheless serious in your reasoning. Are you claiming otherwise, or do you no longer stand behind what you said?

I was being ironic, actually saying the same thing that you were in your reply. What I stand behind is that I'm confident about my self-typing.

[Mea]

It was based on the running joke about fake gammas. That's based on the repeating pattern here of people who want to identify as gammas, and of people who want to push people out of the gamma quadra. So in the end the consensus is that nobody actually is gamma.

i was being sarcastic.

[BlackCat]

I only know one other gamma guy IRL, and we don't really hang out much. I'm trying to get him to hang out though, he's my perfect dual too (LIE- Ni subtype)! Otherwise all of my friends aren't gamma, it would be cool to know others.

[ArchonAlarion]

note the Delta response and some of the other more Si-valuing people thinking of her routine as kind of uncoordinated. additionally, +Fe may mimic -Fe, but Si itself usually manifests tangibly somehow. so myself i think i see a lot of Fe and a lot of nothing else, and that such voids are often filled by Se rather than the Ne you seem to think she seeks for whatever reason.

lol this is Alyson Hannigan. Are you thinking of Boxxy?

Boxxy is either ILE or SEI... but certainly Alpha Irrational, dood.

[Azeroffs]

I think boxxy is Ne base Fe creative. ILE SEI hybrid..

[Warlord]

i was being sarcastic.

haha I should've known I don't know you well enough to tell.

[misutii]

Gammas are able to occur naturally, as noted by Augusta, but it is very rare to see natural Gammas, so the implication is that most Gammas are artificially created. It is never specified if natural Gammas have any appreciable difference in usage and power from artificial Gammas. As mentioned, different Gammas produce different effects, distinguishable through color and size. Most Gammas are roughly the size of a marble, although some are larger or smaller. Gammas also produce new Gamma shards over time, although the exact process of this is not specified. The new Gammas are said to be "born".

lol! Ever since I've been able to get my Gamma fix in real life I've been coming to these forums less. Also Gamma seems to conglomerate better at the socionics workshop forums

[ArchonAlarion]

I think boxxy is Ne base Fe creative. ILE SEI hybrid..

Yeah, basically she demonstrates that a type has all its valued elements strong lol.

I go with Fe ISFp, but I could see Ne ENTp I guess.