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    Tales of the Fe-PoLR:

    I was talking to an ILI who was hired to do some analysis for us last Friday at work and he said, "Adam, I am much smarter than you."

    I thought, OK, maybe you are and maybe you aren't, but let's see where this goes.

    "The University in Tehran where I was an assistant professor is 45th in the WORLD!"

    I thought, Good for them. But what does that have to do with us?

    "I have written a book and here is my list of published papers", and he shows me his phone and scrolls down several pages too fast to read. Plus, I don't read Farsi.

    "BUT, I will never be as successful as you! Do you know why not?"

    "Uh, no. Why not?"

    "Because I dive deep into a subject. I focus right down to the finest details." He made a V with his hands. "I always get the right answer. But do you know why I am not successful, like you?"

    I waited. He was going to tell me no matter what I said.

    "Because I am not good at waving my hands and saying 'Blaaaah blaaaah blaaaah! Blaaaah blaaaah blaaaah!'" Here he waved his hands and stuck out his tongue and was kind of spraying saliva.

    "Let me say that I have the highest respect for you. You are a great manager and you are a diplomat! But managers are good at saying 'Blaaaah blaaaah blaaaah! Blaaaah blaaaah blaaaah!', so I will never be a good manager."

    "Actually", I said, "I'm kind of a terrible manager. What I am is a leader, and I can also meet with almost any kind of person and get along with them."

    "Yes! You are a Leader. And THAT is why you will be successful."


    Plus, of course, the fact that I can say 'Blaaaah blaaaah blaaaah! Blaaaah blaaaah blaaaah!'
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    Tales of the Fe-PoLR:

    Last Thursday I had lunch with a female IEI-Fe who has a PhD in Astronomy and who works at a tech company as the manager of one of its two divisions. She is smart as hell and is incredibly good with customers. She thought we'd make a good marriage, but I just want to be friends, because.....Victim-Victim and IEI-LIE is not a good foundation for intimacy and durability. However, we have lunch a lot because we comprise a mutual admiration society.

    Her counterpart at the company (and its owner) is an ILI-Te who graduated from MIT. The guy is smart, but he is afraid of anyone with any amount of Se. He actually gives prospective hires a test and if they have strong Se, he doesn't hire them. However, he still needs Se somehow, so some guys get through.

    I said to the IEI, "I heard that (the ILI) fired another employee. I thought that employee was so valuable that he'd be there forever."

    The IEI replied "(The ILI) gave the employee an ultimatum, and the employee quit. I get so tired of this. He hires someone and they are so perfect that they can walk on water. I train them and they begin to get productive, and then one day (the ILI) decides that they are crap and fires them and I have to clean up the mess. I have to start over, training someone else."

    "Yes, it seems really counter-productive. You should consider becoming an actress, like you originally wanted. You'd be so great at that. I've seen you charm an audience of techies."

    "The problem is that I'm too poor to quit for any length of time. I don't make enough money. And I get so frustrated at (the ILI). For a guy who's so smart, it is horrible to see him alienate customers. And he does it time, after time, after time." She threw up her hands in frustration.

    "Well, he's not going to change. It's who he is. But you could get a job anywhere."

    "I know. I'm the one who brings in the money."

    But, of course, she needs support before she can leap off into nothingness on a wing and a prayer.

    She needs a great SLE. Preferably with a PhD.
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    IXTps are usually very aware of other people's values and or personal feelings and will often use this information to their own advantage. There's even a vengeful subset who'll use this insight to turn the screws on someone they see as an enemy. For those close, this aspect usually makes them very loyal and caring despite their don't-give-a-crap exteriors that they seem to like to portray. Both types are also very sensitive to personal criticism tending to have very thin skins, which combined with them having hair-triggers when slighted makes them rather unpredictable and sometimes threatening.......

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    I have come to conclusion that for ILI's it is lack of commitment to their facial expressions and improper social commentary for the whole group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Fi-polrs are unaware of how they make others feel about them (as in, if they alienate others, if they're pissing others off, if they're making others unconfortable)

    Fe-polrs are unaware of how they affect the general emotional atmosphere, and how they "come across" to others. They won't notice if they make an awkward comment that depresses everyone, or that "ruins the mood". They do like to learn about how their comments make other people feel, and they'll hold back a statement if they know it will make someone else feel bad. They also can't really manage others' impressions of them particularly well, at least in terms of actions they take in the moment, decisions they make on the fly, and such (they can be perfectly good at preparing before hand in order to present themselves well, I suppose). For example, my ILI friend is really the nicest person ever, and very very humble about how smart she is (she goes to Princeton now, so she's basically a freaking genius---not that all geniuses go to Princeton, but you know what I mean). But because she doesn't naturally think about how she comes across to people, there was one girl (ESE; they were conflictors anyway) who totally thought she was arrogant and self-important, probably because my friend answered a question quickly or told someone they were wrong or something. It's that kind of thing, the sort of thing that comes quite naturally (too naturally) to IEIs.

    Fe-polr types also tend to be uncomfortable about opening up around people until they've built an Fi-type bond with you.

    Yessss , that's true
    My crush is SLI too ( I dunno , he is Si or Te subtype )
    He is uncomfortable about opening up himself to his friend , coz i was opening myself to him. It took a lot of time , but he could opened up to me until now.
    He is rather bad to emotional atmosphere , like his words sometimes can very cruel to others.

    He helps me to expresses myself in healthy way like write into diary
    As an activator , sometimes too much interactions are making us feel tired.

    Although , he seems harsh and insensitive to others.
    But he is genuine person , i've seen. I know , he lacks of emotion and can't show affection. But , he is deeply care to me.
    Yeah , he is secretly sensitive too tbh.

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    I suffer from aversion, even though it is my dual-seeking function. I often get banned from forums or lost in group discussions because I don't really know how to use and consequently say things that are emotionally detached at best or completely in raging contradiction to the values of the community at worst.

    My failure of , generally speaking, results in an overreliance on . But specifically, because I can't cohere with a group's values, that general pattern leaves me overusing when in a group is in session. But because is my ego function, therefore is my ignoring, which means the goals, content, and rules of the project are ignored. Which ends up in me getting fired....

    In summary: if you are LSI or LII, ignoring your means overrelying on . Overrelying on means ignoring rules and obligations far more than you are allowed. If you ignore -laws, you're gonna have a bad time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Tales of the Fe-PoLR:

    Last Thursday I had lunch with a female IEI-Fe who has a PhD in Astronomy and who works at a tech company as the manager of one of its two divisions. She is smart as hell and is incredibly good with customers. She thought we'd make a good marriage, but I just want to be friends, because.....Victim-Victim and IEI-LIE is not a good foundation for intimacy and durability. However, we have lunch a lot because we comprise a mutual admiration society.

    Her counterpart at the company (and its owner) is an ILI-Te who graduated from MIT. The guy is smart, but he is afraid of anyone with any amount of Se. He actually gives prospective hires a test and if they have strong Se, he doesn't hire them. However, he still needs Se somehow, so some guys get through.

    I said to the IEI, "I heard that (the ILI) fired another employee. I thought that employee was so valuable that he'd be there forever."

    The IEI replied "(The ILI) gave the employee an ultimatum, and the employee quit. I get so tired of this. He hires someone and they are so perfect that they can walk on water. I train them and they begin to get productive, and then one day (the ILI) decides that they are crap and fires them and I have to clean up the mess. I have to start over, training someone else."

    "Yes, it seems really counter-productive. You should consider becoming an actress, like you originally wanted. You'd be so great at that. I've seen you charm an audience of techies."

    "The problem is that I'm too poor to quit for any length of time. I don't make enough money. And I get so frustrated at (the ILI). For a guy who's so smart, it is horrible to see him alienate customers. And he does it time, after time, after time." She threw up her hands in frustration.

    "Well, he's not going to change. It's who he is. But you could get a job anywhere."

    "I know. I'm the one who brings in the money."

    But, of course, she needs support before she can leap off into nothingness on a wing and a prayer.

    She needs a great SLE. Preferably with a PhD.
    What was the Se test, Adam?

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    I think they like open direct displays of sympathy (which is something that throws me off the track as I see it fake aka not objective/bending the truth for coming as more favorable in your eyes).
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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    What was the Se test, Adam?
    It is actually a psychological assessment test, but he uses it to eliminate Se users.

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    Im not comfortable with too much emotion, open displays of affection, sentiment etc, unless I really know someone closely. Again if someone does show too much emotion it seems like theyre breathing down my neck and that Im walking on hot coals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Plus, of course, the fact that I can say 'Blaaaah blaaaah blaaaah! Blaaaah blaaaah blaaaah!'
    I think he was confusing you for one of the adults from Charlie Brown....
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