Fe PoLR: how does it show in ISTps and INTps?

[Jarno]

I will give you 2 examples of Fe polr.

1)
A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

It would have been more appropriate to query you on the size of your feet.

in that case I would have asked her how big her mouth was.

[dattebayo]

itt Fe polr ftw

a positive trait about being Fe polr though, is the ability to ignore what the group thinks, and have an independent view on stuff
the people I know least likely to get baffled by bull shit are probably ISTps

sincere display of feelings

not blowing things out of proportion

totally ignoring irrational emotions

no drama

[Jarno]

itt Fe polr ftw

a positive trait about being Fe polr though, is the ability to ignore what the group thinks, and have an independent view on stuff
the people I know least likely to get baffled by bull shit are probably ISTps

sincere display of feelings

not blowing things out of proportion

totally ignoring irrational emotions

no drama

this sounds great. I hate fake feelings and unnecessary drama.

[Crispy]

There is nothing positive about one's PoLR. If you have something positive to say about someone's PoLR, just attribute it to their creative function instead.

[Jarno]

There is nothing positive about one's PoLR. If you have something positive to say about someone's PoLR, just attribute it to their creative function instead.

hmm.

the positive thing of polr is that you have an absence of something in your personality.
sure the absense of some great things, but also the absense of things that are consideren bad.

for example
polr Te, not too businesslike
polr Ni, not dreamy
polr Ne, no crazy ideas

[Crispy]

Could all of those strengths not be attributed to creative creative and creative respectively?

[dattebayo]

could not focusing on the relevant content of what is being said, but choosing to nit-pick in stead, be attributed to Ne creative? hi hi just joking using my feeble Ti cuz you hit my polr

Jarno, your response I felt totally protected my polr

[Crispy]

could not focusing on the relevant content of what is being said, but choosing to nit-pick in stead, be attributed to Ne creative?

Possibly . If you were just saying those are good things about BEING an Fe-PoLR then that's fine. Just thought you were trying to claim what is supposedly the biggest weakness as a strength somehow.

The only reason I said anything is cause it's like me claiming " PoLR allows me to come up with alternative solutions to seemingly hopeless problems", which sounds kinda silly.

[Beautiful sky]

could not focusing on the relevant content of what is being said, but choosing to nit-pick in stead, be attributed to Ne creative? hi hi just joking using my feeble Ti cuz you hit my polr

Jarno, your response I felt totally protected my polr

Don't you wonder why? *Food for thought*

[woofwoofl]

Could all of those strengths not be attributed to creative creative and creative respectively?

It's the same thing!

[FDG]

There is nothing positive about one's PoLR. If you have something positive to say about someone's PoLR, just attribute it to their creative function instead.

hmm.

the positive thing of polr is that you have an absence of something in your personality.
sure the absense of some great things, but also the absense of things that are consideren bad.

for example
polr Te, not too businesslike
polr Ni, not dreamy
polr Ne, no crazy ideas

Yeah. It can be understood as a part of one's creative function, but it can also be understood as a direct consequence of one's PoLR.

[krieger]

There is nothing positive about one's PoLR. If you have something positive to say about someone's PoLR, just attribute it to their creative function instead.

it's more like... you can't obsessively focus on Ne without disregarding Se entirely, etc.

this reflects something about Creating functions and challenges the commonly held belief that the Base function is the obsessive one. Base still relatively easily "reconciles" with the Role function. Creating is completely antagonistic to PoLR.

but Base is also something offensive and/or invulnerable, because it can supervise the opposite Creating function. Creating is something vulnerable, because it can get supervised. *

i like to associate...
Base = indiscriminate, pragmatic
Creating = discriminate, idealistic

but yeah, i think the most "enlightened" way to think about it is to see the two (Creating and PoLR) as indistinct and interchangeable.

edit:
* although there is an alternative interpretation that i like that says the Creating function might supervise the Base function of the supervisee. i.e. ESTps' Creating Ti supervises INTjs' Base Ti. this is "corrective supervision" as opposed to the regular "bull-in-a-china-store supervision". so the Creating Ti function can be said to reach a more refined answer capable of fixing errors in the indiscriminate result of the Base Ti function.

[Crispy]

* although there is an alternative interpretation that i like that says the Creating function might supervise the Base function of the supervisee. i.e. ESTps' Creating Ti supervises INTjs' Base Ti. this is "corrective supervision" as opposed to the regular "bull-in-a-china-store supervision". so the Creating Ti function can be said to reach a more refined answer capable of fixing errors in the indiscriminate result of the Base Ti function.

This is the interpretation I've taken much interest in since you last mentioned it. I'm wondering how it relates to SLE/LII both using -Ti (and the nature of cognitive styles being part of supervisory rings).

I think looking at how the (+/-)functions manifest differently in accepting/producing positions might be helpful.

The analyst compares the options opposite, points to differences and inconsistencies (-L).
Marshall thinks alternative (either-or), its logic compares the opposite decision, rejecting the worst (-L).

[FDG]

edit:
* although there is an alternative interpretation that i like that says the Creating function might supervise the Base function of the supervisee. i.e. ESTps' Creating Ti supervises INTjs' Base Ti. this is "corrective supervision" as opposed to the regular "bull-in-a-china-store supervision". so the Creating Ti function can be said to reach a more refined answer capable of fixing errors in the indiscriminate result of the Base Ti function.

I thought this was the standard interpretation??