Fe PoLR: how does it show in ISTps and INTps?

[Adam Strange]

What was the Se test, Adam?

It is actually a psychological assessment test, but he uses it to eliminate Se users.

[kingslayer]

It is actually a psychological assessment test, but he uses it to eliminate Se users.

Interesting.. Do you know which one?

[Adam Strange]

Interesting.. Do you know which one?

No, but I might be able to find out.

[Rebelondeck]

IXTps are usually very aware of other people's values and or personal feelings and will often use this information to their own advantage. There's even a vengeful subset who'll use this insight to turn the screws on someone they see as an enemy. For those close, this aspect usually makes them very loyal and caring despite their don't-give-a-crap exteriors that they seem to like to portray. Both types are also very sensitive to personal criticism tending to have very thin skins, which combined with them having hair-triggers when slighted makes them rather unpredictable and sometimes threatening.......

a.k.a. I/O

[The Reality Denialist]

I have come to conclusion that for ILI's it is lack of commitment to their facial expressions and improper social commentary for the whole group.

[CosmicCat]

I suffer from aversion, even though it is my dual-seeking function. I often get banned from forums or lost in group discussions because I don't really know how to use and consequently say things that are emotionally detached at best or completely in raging contradiction to the values of the community at worst.

My failure of , generally speaking, results in an overreliance on . But specifically, because I can't cohere with a group's values, that general pattern leaves me overusing when in a group is in session. But because is my ego function, therefore is my ignoring, which means the goals, content, and rules of the project are ignored. Which ends up in me getting fired....

In summary: if you are LSI or LII, ignoring your means overrelying on . Overrelying on means ignoring rules and obligations far more than you are allowed. If you ignore -laws, you're gonna have a bad time.

[The Reality Denialist]

I think they like open direct displays of sympathy (which is something that throws me off the track as I see it fake aka not objective/bending the truth for coming as more favorable in your eyes).

[Still Alive]

I remember going to a meetup for japanese culture a couple of months ago and me and a couple of other people had a casual talk about covid and then an ILI joined in (he looked like the comic book guy from the simpsons, only thinner). everyone was saying how bad the whole situation is and he just casually mentions that covid is like natural selection, it eliminates the weak. he later also mentioned out of nowhere that he really hates working with other people and prefers to be alone. the whole situation got really awkward because everyone just wanted to connect with random people who have similar interests and this one ILI pretty much ruined the whole light-hearted emotional atmosphere.

I guess that's an example.

[kingslayer]

I remember going to a meetup for japanese culture a couple of months ago and me and a couple of other people had a casual talk about covid and then an ILI joined in (he looked like the comic book guy from the simpsons, only thinner). everyone was saying how bad the whole situation is and he just casually mentions that covid is like natural selection, it eliminates the weak. he later also mentioned out of nowhere that he really hates working with other people and prefers to be alone. the whole situation got really awkward because everyone just wanted to connect with random people who have similar interests and this one ILI pretty much ruined the whole light-hearted emotional atmosphere.

I guess that's an example.

Thats pretty funny. I hope there was an ESE there

[Still Alive]

Thats pretty funny. I hope there was an ESE there

there was actually. it was a woman (around 50 years old) who had a communication job in japan for a big company. she just reacted with a weird face like everyone else, cringing probably describes it the best. the thing in this kind of situation is that everyone wants this one person to leave but he just stood there not saying anything and the conversation was ruined. it was also a small venue so you couldn't simply go somewhere else

[SGF]

I remember going to a meetup for japanese culture a couple of months ago and me and a couple of other people had a casual talk about covid and then an ILI joined in (he looked like the comic book guy from the simpsons, only thinner). everyone was saying how bad the whole situation is and he just casually mentions that covid is like natural selection, it eliminates the weak. he later also mentioned out of nowhere that he really hates working with other people and prefers to be alone. the whole situation got really awkward because everyone just wanted to connect with random people who have similar interests and this one ILI pretty much ruined the whole light-hearted emotional atmosphere.

I guess that's an example.

sounds like something I would say lmao, minus hating working with other ppl, team effort is fun. He didn't say anything wrong imo Xd.. he was just upfront and real. I would have laughed and agreed. Non Ts are weird and squeamish about the truth..



..pussies.

[The Reality Denialist]

I remember going to a meetup for japanese culture a couple of months ago and me and a couple of other people had a casual talk about covid and then an ILI joined in (he looked like the comic book guy from the simpsons, only thinner). everyone was saying how bad the whole situation is and he just casually mentions that covid is like natural selection, it eliminates the weak. he later also mentioned out of nowhere that he really hates working with other people and prefers to be alone. the whole situation got really awkward because everyone just wanted to connect with random people who have similar interests and this one ILI pretty much ruined the whole light-hearted emotional atmosphere.

I guess that's an example.

Yeah, I work with comickbook guy version sort of. I think the first thing he brought up was how he aced at quantum mechanics. Overall you'll get brownie points from him when you critize something like design of LED light bulbs.

[Sol]

everyone was saying how bad the whole situation is and he just casually mentions that covid is like natural selection, it eliminates the weak. he later also mentioned out of nowhere that he really hates working with other people and prefers to be alone.

A lack of a compassion in a talk, besides T can be linked to Fe value. From "hates working with other people" may be supposed an introversion.
Besides possible types traits, the dude seems to have psyche issues which lead him to higher than average hating people.
In overall, there is not much about Fe-weak-nonvalued types, ILI, especially of normal ones.

[Tarnished]

Fe polr: I don't show my emotion to strangers. For my close friends, I ẹnjoy showing a little bit lively emotion (ESFp style). I have never show any negative emotions to others. Even when I appear to be angry, I'm just pretending to be angry so I can shut people down and get some alone-quiet time. Anyway, I rather keep the emotions to myself.

I remember going to a meetup for japanese culture a couple of months ago and me and a couple of other people had a casual talk about covid and then an ILI joined in (he looked like the comic book guy from the simpsons, only thinner). everyone was saying how bad the whole situation is and he just casually mentions that covid is like natural selection, it eliminates the weak. he later also mentioned out of nowhere that he really hates working with other people and prefers to be alone. the whole situation got really awkward because everyone just wanted to connect with random people who have similar interests and this one ILI pretty much ruined the whole light-hearted emotional atmosphere.

I guess that's an example.

I think this person was just purely arrogant and stupid. Even if I ever think like that, I'll never say a word because making people dislike me isn't a smart move, and it do me no good. You don't need Fe to understand something like that.

But I do say harmless things that are normal to me but weird to others. I known its weird to them but I like to see people's speechless reaction so I say it anyway lol

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[The Reality Denialist]

ILI today: it seems someone plowed the snow. Probably not you. Must have been someone who is employed by the property owner.

[End]

ILI today: it seems someone plowed the snow. Probably not you. Must have been someone who is employed by the property owner.

If your job description is "snow plow manager/freelancer" or "winter landscape specialist" than we'd confidently conclude you did it and thank you for your trouble by paying your asking rate with a bit of a tip. After all, good help is hard to find .

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Fe polr: Refusing to be fake nice to manipulate people- even in the end it would be to their own advantage and get them out of living out of a trailer park.

[Tarnished]

^ a win is a win, it's a fact, no matter what method/good luck the person use/has. A least Te user should think like that. Even when I never manipulate other people, I always thought "manipulation" is a good "skill set" for Fe user. They have their own ways to get what they want, so as long as they don't mess with me, I'm in no position to judge.

Comparing your success to others is irrelevant, because different persons have different goals, unless your goal is "always better than others", which is a bad goal because you'll have 8 bil opponents.

[Faith]

Fe Polr= Flat affect

Flat affect is a condition that causes people to not express emotions in the same way other people might. For example, when a person without flat affect is happy, they may smile brightly or in some other way show that they're pleased. A person with flat affect shows no facial expressions.

Reduced affect display, sometimes referred to as emotional blunting, is a condition of reduced emotional reactivity in an individual. It manifests as a failure to express feelings (affect display) either verbally or nonverbally, especially when talking about issues that would normally be expected to engage the emotions. Expressive gestures are rare and there is little animation in facial expression or vocal inflection.

[The Reality Denialist]

Fe Polr= Flat affect

I don't think ILI's are like this. It is usually said that in case of ILI it is seen as improper affect.

[Park]

Fe Polr = Flat affect

Fits me well. Furthermore, I think some non Fe PoLRs would relate, as well.

Reduced affect display, sometimes referred to as emotional blunting, is a condition of reduced emotional reactivity in an individual. It manifests as a failure to express feelings (affect display) either verbally or nonverbally, especially when talking about issues that would normally be expected to engage the emotions. Expressive gestures are rare and there is little animation in facial expression or vocal inflection.

Funny how they use the word "failure" as opposed to "disinclination," as if there is something inherently wrong in not wanting to express what you feel overtly.

[Number 9 large]

in the first minute of this video his polr gets hit. he gets visibly upset when he realizes that always telling the truth can hurt others feelings, its a conflict of fe vs te. he gets laughed at here.

[SGF]

in the first minute of this video his polr gets hit. he gets visibly upset when he realizes that always telling the truth can hurt others feelings, its a conflict of fe vs te. he gets laughed at here.

lmao the truth > other ppl's fefes for sure. If they can't take it, it just means they are weak minded fools. Whats the point of being upset about that? Needing to be treated with kid gloves is annoying. Any T is disagreeable to begin with, its the feelers who tend to be agreeable.

[Metaphor]

I think people have a misconception of Fe PoLR, which means inexpressiveness or expressiveness, but I don't think it works like that.

1D Fe is still, at least, capable enough to learn how to express themselves, but the different is, they don't want to show it.

Unless they feel comfortable with the discussion,
the "comfortable" here means that they will unleash their sarcastical remark and trying to show that they aren't as robotic as they think, they are human, they can speak like what human use to, it's just drained and not that involved, and if they want to be involved, it's too weak to influence people or express themselves, that's why, when many people said that someone is such a nice person, means that they don't know anything about what people are, they don't know how they look like or just don't know them enough to explain how a person actually is.

However, from what I've seen, SLI and ILI are different in showing their emotion,

SLIs would still be capable at manipulating, but it's not as much until they re-charged the battery and fill it at most to its fullest, how? Sleep, everyday, anywhere, anytime, everywhere, just sleep, they don't want to be annoyed at all, just sleep, don't disturb me, don't try to annoy me with some kind of annoying things and they'll be fine, or if not, they will bite, obviously. I used to use people as experiments, people are samples, samples are people, they got into a survey, questionnaire, and polling to be sampled, to know its quality and its perfection, when it's fragile, it means they aren't capable enough to live on their own.

ILIs are different, their energy is the opposite, it can't be recharged, when it's dead, it's dead, over, you can't take it back, and just demonstrated their roboticness in front of people, still a robot, a better robot that SLI it seems. SLIs, according to someone, it's like a giant puppet, only moved when it's moved by someone else, but they will do it, just do it, nothing much apart from it.

[Number 9 large]

I think people have a misconception of Fe PoLR, which means inexpressiveness or expressiveness, but I don't think it works like that.

1D Fe is still, at least, capable enough to learn how to express themselves, but the different is, they don't want to show it.

Unless they feel comfortable with the discussion,
the "comfortable" here means that they will unleash their sarcastical remark and trying to show that they aren't as robotic as they think, they are human, they can speak like what human use to, it's just drained and not that involved, and if they want to be involved, it's too weak to influence people or express themselves, that's why, when many people said that someone is such a nice person, means that they don't know anything about what people are, they don't know how they look like or just don't know them enough to explain how a person actually is.

However, from what I've seen, SLI and ILI are different in showing their emotion,

SLIs would still be capable at manipulating, but it's not as much until they re-charged the battery and fill it at most to its fullest, how? Sleep, everyday, anywhere, anytime, everywhere, just sleep, they don't want to be annoyed at all, just sleep, don't disturb me, don't try to annoy me with some kind of annoying things and they'll be fine, or if not, they will bite, obviously. I used to use people as experiments, people are samples, samples are people, they got into a survey, questionnaire, and polling to be sampled, to know its quality and its perfection, when it's fragile, it means they aren't capable enough to live on their own.

ILIs are different, their energy is the opposite, it can't be recharged, when it's dead, it's dead, over, you can't take it back, and just demonstrated their roboticness in front of people, still a robot, a better robot that SLI it seems. SLIs, according to someone, it's like a giant puppet, only moved when it's moved by someone else, but they will do it, just do it, nothing much apart from it.

Conclusion:
SLI is able to express themselves rather than ILI, but they need a recharge to do it. SLI is always calm, ILI is just neurotic.

neuroticism has nothing to do with Fe polr

[Metaphor]

Corrected then, that's what my ILE friend said.

[Lolita]

In model G, Brake function (PoLR) is paired with Creative (demonstrative). Essentially, the type doesn’t want to use their Brake function as that slows them down. ILI and SLI want Fe to be provided for them so it frees them from trying to create something out of nothing (D subtypes won’t have much trouble) so they can use Ti to execute the Management (lead). Fe Brake is generally exhibited as being in bad moods and then causing the atmosphere to be in a bad mood too. Although, I’ve read that SLI tend to have variable mood swings more so than ILI who tends to be in a foul mood if they’re in a foul environment. 7 Brake has minimum energy and because Brake is paired with 2 Creative which is part of the social mission block, this creates inflation (or maybe inflammation is a better word?) of “information” rather than energy which means that efforts are in vain. The person often feels overwhelmed and pressured by society to use that function so they may try hard with Brake but end up not being very effective (hot air) and it frustrates them.

Exposing a person to their Brake/PoLR isn’t enough to stop them or piss them off. They could be a subtype that has developed Brake so that obscures it.

[aixelsyd]

Exhibit a:



Exhibit b:

[Tarnished]

Exhibit a:



Exhibit b:

This guy is so funny ) He is ILI or SLI?

[aixelsyd]

This guy is so funny ) He is ILI or SLI?

He's ILI.

[Tarnished]

He's ILI.

Find another speech. Well, this is why ILI's dual is "Anarchy" leader SEE.

[CR400AF]

My example:

ILI: a professor. He is very cautious when he want to critize a student. He would rather choose to hint this student during a lab meeting without openly critize him/her. If the students keep ignoring his hints he might be suddenly change his attitude.

[Alomoes]

I would personally say they're wrong, and should feel bad. Not really, but about right for tone. If you drop hints, you are going to never be understood. Sometimes, you need to say directly that behavior is wrong, so as to fix behavior.

You make the impression as though this person has no spine, or does, but uses it as a last resort.

[EUDAEMONIUM]

The reason Fe PoLR is such an apparent weakness is that it is little dick 2D Fi expressed without any Fe. So it really does a good job of making them look pathetic.

As all "Hidden Agendas" do.

Their ideas about Fi seem dull and uninspired yet they think these ideas are deeply profound and spout them off as if no one has thought of them before.

They rigidly hold onto their judgments about people and behavior and generally act like an asshole when talking about them with people.

When I see a Fi creative talk to them I'm relieved that at least they have each other. Because Fi creatives are a whole other story I won't get into. But they can be annoying too.



This doesn't really annoy me all that often, but when it does it really does. It's not so much when they aren't using Fe, but when they are trying to use it that annoys me.

Their attempts to joke with me are taken all wrong, they just come off as rude and unnecessarily confrontational.

It's just like a reversal of an xLE and ExI interaction.

[fjoerd]

The reason Fe PoLR is such an apparent weakness is that it is little dick 2D Fi expressed without any Fe. So it really does a good job of making them look pathetic.

As all "Hidden Agendas" do.

Their ideas about Fi seem dull and uninspired yet they think these ideas are deeply profound and spout them off as if no one has thought of them before.

They rigidly hold onto their judgments about people and behavior and generally act like an asshole when talking about them with people.

When I see a Fi creative talk to them I'm relieved that at least they have each other. Because Fi creatives are a whole other story I won't get into. But they can be annoying too.



This doesn't really annoy me all that often, but when it does it really does. It's not so much when they aren't using Fe, but when they are trying to use it that annoys me.

Their attempts to joke with me are taken all wrong, they just come off as rude and unnecessarily confrontational.

It's just like a reversal of an xLE and ExI interaction.

Small dick Ti cannot comprehend big brain jokes.

[Beautiful sky]

Ignoring others emotions and or prodding back

[Lycantrope]

Ignoring others emotions and or prodding back

Emotions are only valid if they have a good reason behind them. Don't come crying near me 'cause you've broken your last gen Iphone.

[Korpsy Knievel]

Yay, staged video. Let's pretend it's real. If cop-caller is Fe-PoLR he's probably SLI and thinks it'd be funny to see the "iPhone" dealer locked up. If you'd said "spot the Fe-PoLR" I'd have said that the inexpressive blonde guy with his hands in his pockets was ILI.

[Quaris]

Yay, staged video. Let's pretend it's real. If cop-caller is Fe-PoLR he's probably SLI and thinks it'd be funny to see the "iPhone" dealer locked up. If you'd said "spot the Fe-PoLR" I'd have said that the inexpressive blonde guy with his hands in his pockets was ILI.

Oh, you are reading minds. Awesome, I can't do that ...


Yes, looks like Fe polr to me. I can't imagine that guy laughing.