tereg's thread (#2)

[Beautiful sky]

It's also NOT that I "tire of doing it". It is that I get too tired to continue to live at all, if I don't reign it in. You will not understand the difference, because you believe every true EII has to be a carbon-copy of you. You live in a mental world of absolutes, when in fact there is no such thing.

The only reason why EII would end their own life is if they found that they are in a position where they can not help other individuals and the suffering, the emotional suffering, of other individuals is beyond control. If we were overwhelmingly burdened by the feelings of individuals and we saw no hope for the world of people. We don't wallow in our misery we wallow in the misery of all humans aside from our selves. We are selfless.

[Aiss]

How many relations did you counsel yesterday? What matters? What concerns? How many calls did you make to such and such to get their feelings for such and such? When you were done, did you spend all night thinking and analyzing for ideas on what else you can add to your advice to whom and how?

You can only begin to imagine the kinds of management of relations an Fi does with the above questions. While not going insane and trying to keep a head up on our shoulders.

While you insist that you have this something called an Fi and that you value it somehow above other functions.

What is the proper maintenance and management of relationships?

It isn't Fi. Contacting people all the time is Fe. Fi understands relationships, not tries to learn other's emotions - that's Fe. Fi, especially Fi+Ne, doesn't interfere in others' lives as you describe.

Fi-valuing types are often those who don't need constant displays for there to be a healthy relation.

What you're describing above is pure Fe-base, Maritsa.

[Beautiful sky]

Reaching out to others when things feel "off" in order to restore the stability and security of the relationship and the individual in question. Healing them when necessary.

However, I have learned that there is not enough of "me" to give that I can devote this kind of attention and concern to the world at large. I "pick my battles" and choose who I invest this much emotional and mental energy into. Those who earn that place with me on a routine basis are people who I consider to be in my "Fi-bubble" (a term for my close circle of people and relations.) I will certainly help others for one-time-only situations, or offer occasional counseling to others NOT in my Fi-bubble. But I choose to devote much of my self to those IN my Fi-bubble, to preserve my sanity and sense of individuality.

We don't do Fi-bubble's; we treat all of humanity as one. We don't do catagories of people, we don't do groups or clans, cults, whatever you name it. The things you say about you and the way you say them do not resonate with the humanitarian/humanist values that INFj/EII uphold.

Fe elicits emotional response of others. Fi manages relations and with relations come inner feelings and makeup of individuals. Fe will say words or gestures and pictures, jokes etc to not only elicit a response but to get the proper height and intensity of the response that they are looking for.

[Beautiful sky]

Knowing personal limitations doesn't mean my NF humanitarian nature is compromised. But I have little faith you'd ever realize that, because you are so self-absorbed in your own perception. I'm done.

Yeah because you are NOT INFj.

[Beautiful sky]

And coincidentally enough, in your opinion no one on 16 types ever is but YOU Maritsa. There's a reason why your perspective on socionics is so often criticized--the biases you have consistently displayed over and over speak for themselves.

I type you SEE or ESI; gamma quadrant, based on Se and your need of personal fulfillment.

[Skeptic]

Akra, it's nice to see that you're trying to help Maritsa by trying to make her realize her insecurity, but you need to ask whether or not you're helping her at all. In reality, she was probably a pitiful human being who had so little going for her that she bastardized socionics so she could at least have one thing to tell her that she is all those things she says an EII is - the 'jesus' type.

As you have pointed out, if she sees any EIIs who don't exhibit all these jesus traits she tries to ruin them because if one EII isn't jesus, it could mean that she isn't jesus just because she's EII; she would have to be a kind and considerate person as a being seperate from socionics, which she is not.

She types you as Se because she sees Se as the evil or opposite of her, as she constantly quotes Se definitions and highlights parts to portray it as a rough, demanding and oppressive force, everything she sees as 'not jesus'. Just ignore her and maybe you'll be doing her a favor; after all, she'll not have any kind of self-fulfillment if she does not have socionics. Scary thought, but she is probably destined to lead a shitty life bound to life only under the guise of self sacrificing selflessness.

[Beautiful sky]

Akra, it's nice to see that you're trying to help Maritsa by trying to make her realize her insecurity, but you need to ask whether or not you're helping her at all. In reality, she was probably a pitiful human being who had so little going for her that she bastardized socionics so she could at least have one thing to tell her that she is all those things she says an EII is - the 'jesus' type.

As you have pointed out, if she sees any EIIs who don't exhibit all these jesus traits she tries to ruin them because if one EII isn't jesus, it could mean that she isn't jesus just because she's EII; she would have to be a kind and considerate person as a being seperate from socionics, which she is not.

She types you as Se because she sees Se as the evil or opposite of her, as she constantly quotes Se definitions and highlights parts to portray it as a rough, demanding and oppressive force, everything she sees as 'not jesus'. Just ignore her and maybe you'll be doing her a favor; after all, she'll not have any kind of self-fulfillment if she does not have socionics. Scary thought, but she is probably destined to lead a shitty life bound to life only under the guise of self sacrificing selflessness.

You are SEE too...

And very unhealthy.

[Absurd]

You are SEE too...

And very unhealthy.

He's IEI.

[Skeptic]

You are SEE too...

And very unhealthy.

Because that's the only you you can be healthy!

edit; your reply is funny maritsa, I think the entire time you've spent here has been centered on trying to reconcile yourself in your own eyes. I won't post this topic up justifying myself in your eyes; that's what I came here to prevent. It's good to know that Akra sees same as I do that you're not worth the argument.

[Beautiful sky]

Because that's the only you you can be healthy!

Healthy people do not write assumptions about others they don't know nothing about their personal lives to make their argument look good. Healthy people say nice things, and good things. Not mean or malicious things. I can highlight all the assumed things about me you wrote in your post.....that's very unhealthy of you, you should look at things from a positive and optimistic direction.

[Marie84]

Healthy people do not write assumptions about others they don't know nothing about their personal lives to make their argument look good. Healthy people say nice things, and good things. Not mean or malicious things. I can highlight all the assumed things about me you wrote in your post.....that's very unhealthy of you, you should look at things from a positive and optimistic direction.

I spit tea all over my computer screen when I read this, thanks Maritsa!
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Anyways since I'm here I'll state that I do believe Tereg to be an EII. I've seen IEE suggested before though he does come across as more Fi dominant Se PoLR (calm, low energy, emotionally subdued, timid etc) from his video that he posted a few months ago

[717495]

Akra, it's nice to see that you're trying to help Maritsa by trying to make her realize her insecurity, but you need to ask whether or not you're helping her at all. In reality, she was probably a pitiful human being who had so little going for her that she bastardized socionics so she could at least have one thing to tell her that she is all those things she says an EII is - the 'jesus' type.

I don't know when she'll get around to realizing she's not an EII, and stop picking at others well formed typings. She doesn't know how to treat people, and basically doesn't know respect. It's hard when you have a few people here and there telling you that you are an EII and then finding as many ways as you can to misguide yourself into believing it. She is the one who is unhealthy telling everyone else if they're healthy or not, like she actually knows them. She's a pretender, and needs to wake up. One of the worst cases of an adult "baby" I've seen.

[Beautiful sky]

I spit tea all over my computer screen when I read this, thanks Maritsa!
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Anyways since I'm here I'll state that I do believe Tereg to be an EII. I've seen IEE suggested before though he does come across as more Fi dominant Se PoLR (calm, low energy, emotionally subdued, timid etc) from his video that he posted a few months ago

You stated all of the misconceptions about how an EII looks -calm, low energy, emotionally subdued (disregarding how much Fe he really uses), subdued, timid (I don't see it). Other types look this way TOO.

Fi need I remind you is ethics of relationships. Proper management of relationships between people not inventions of tools.

I'm sorry about your computer. I hope noting bad has happened to it.

[Marie84]

You stated all of the misconceptions about how an EII looks -calm, low energy, emotionally subdued (disregarding how much Fe he really uses), subdued, timid (I don't see it). Other types look this way TOO.

Fi need I remind you is ethics of relationships. Proper management of relationships between people not inventions of tools.

I'm sorry about your computer. I hope noting bad has happened to it.

Ij- (Fi and Ti dominants)

Typical characteristics

* calm, balanced and inert
* "unflappable"
* rigid but not very fast gait
* may appear passive-aggressive
* usually very stable mood
* more reactive than active
* little inclination to fidget during long periods of inactivity

IJs are both static and rational, so they see reality as mostly not changing and when it does, it's in abrupt "leaps" from one state to another. An IJ draws inner stability from a stable reality, especially as seen through his leading function. That makes him confident that things will probably remain as they are despite what he sees as minor disturbances; periods of clear upheaval are very disturbing and the individual is anxious that things will "settle down" one way or the other soon enough.

As introverts, IJs tend to be calm and relaxed about initiating relationships with other people, mostly assuming that others will take the initiative, but will be more inclined to try to make sure a relationship is maintained once established.

IJ temperament - Wikisocion

And I don't see Tereg as using an abundance, if any, Fe in his posts or videos. He comes across as rather placid

and ftr I don't agree with your interpretation of Socionics and see you as an EIE, which explains why you don't relate to any of the other EII's here

[Beautiful sky]

Ij- (Fi and Ti dominants)

Typical characteristics

* calm, balanced and inert
* "unflappable"
* rigid but not very fast gait
* may appear passive-aggressive
* usually very stable mood
* more reactive than active
* little inclination to fidget during long periods of inactivity

IJs are both static and rational, so they see reality as mostly not changing and when it does, it's in abrupt "leaps" from one state to another. An IJ draws inner stability from a stable reality, especially as seen through his leading function. That makes him confident that things will probably remain as they are despite what he sees as minor disturbances; periods of clear upheaval are very disturbing and the individual is anxious that things will "settle down" one way or the other soon enough.

As introverts, IJs tend to be calm and relaxed about initiating relationships with other people, mostly assuming that others will take the initiative, but will be more inclined to try to make sure a relationship is maintained once established.

IJ temperament - Wikisocion

And I don't see Tereg as using an abundance, if any, Fe in his posts or videos. He comes across as rather placid

and ftr I don't agree with your interpretation of Socionics and see you as an EIE, which explains why you don't relate to any of the other EII's here

Don't throw stuff at me that you don't know a thing about. Thank you.

[Marie84]

Don't throw stuff at me that you don't know a thing about. Thank you.

I like how you just deflected there, good job