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    Yeaaa ... another "guess my type" ... it seems no one has questioned my types for months already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carla View Post
    ... but you can change your type!
    I know how to switch between using and ... and and I use and interchangeably somewhere along with those. And I can spot and in others, though I think I am better at using personally.

    Anyhow ... I can change my type in that manner.

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    you're either INFj or jesus

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedrat View Post
    you're either INFj or jesus
    Still think so ... ?

    Do I seem open and strong to people ... ?

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    you're just playing starcraft

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedrat View Post
    you're just playing starcraft
    Do INFjs like to play starcraft ... ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana View Post
    No mcnew, you're wrong. You're not very good at Te or Fe either one, and you totally suck at Fi.
    How I could be wrong ... ? I said that I can switch between them. Being good and bad at those functions is something else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana View Post
    and you totally suck at Fi.
    I agree: this lack of Fi clearly shows in his choice of moderators. Some of them are not really people that give the proper example themselves, but McNew seems to be okay with that.

    He's alpha NT, most likely an LII, to the extent that his socionic type is important to the overall make-up of his personality.
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    It's not a guess, you're LII!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    That's not the only meaning -- for example, when Socionics describes Ni in terms of "evolutionary processes".
    Again, confused as to what you mean. What I stated was a law of evolution. Mcnew breaking it would mean he is the disproof of evolutionary theory creationists have been looking for.



    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    As Jarno pointed out before, it's unlikely to train oneself to an Einstein-level IQ. Some behavior is very physiologically-limited. But the same isn't as true for say, being literate.
    Actually, it is impossible to increase your IQ, as it is supposed to be a standard of reasoning skills. What an IQ of 180 implies is that a 10 y/o with an IQ of 180 reasons on the level of an 18 y/o.

    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    It's possible someone undertakes an analysis and training of behavior deeper than "aping". It does becoming increasingly less likely.
    This was in reference to a comment from me that claimed that what mcnew described is not a deep analysis of the functions, but just how they operated on the surface. In his own words:

    Quote Originally Posted by rmcnew View Post
    Well, I think I actually began learning to develop and use functions that are contrary to my own ego block by observing the actions of people I lived with. I learned the difference between and by having to deal with financially irresponsible ISFp and ESFj roommates who were being bumming idiots, which forced me to take on ENTj and INTp traits to learn to deal with them. Then, I ended up having an ESTp boss with a bunch of INFp co-workers. I realized how the boss was using to try to bullshit the workers constantly and then I compared that to the INFp salesman I was rooming with, who was constantly split between two things and annoyed me to fuck. So, I began learning how to use and from that. And, I am still seeking experiences with different types, so I can learn how they use the functions. I just have to find the types I want to study and live closely with them for a while.
    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    I think you may be closing too many of those possibilities with some of your assumptions. But McNew's own framework does seem to suggest that's a plausible typing. I still wouldn't rule out some other NF type though.
    I'm actually not assuming much. Mcnew believes/uses Far Eastern religious beliefs, which are much more substantially Beta with how they reflect attaining enlightenment/becoming special through inner soul searching and strict obedience and dedication. Also, they are not as moralistic as western religions, really bypassing Fi. I am ignoring the fact that I know three Beta NFs who were or are interested in Far Eastern religions.

    Delta NFs do not value Ni, which is the IM element of esoteric beliefs, so they are much less susceptible to religious mantras of enlightenment followed by educating those "left behind". (Actually, in essense, this is a belief held by many Ti-valuing people.)

    Quote Originally Posted by rmcnew View Post
    I think I was originally a Delta type, but have developed other functions that allow me to act as INTp, ENTj, ENFj, INFp, ESTp when I need to.
    Mcnew's claims of the types he has mastered is much more likely of a Beta NF than a Delta NF who comes from the completely opposite direction.


    For those that do not believe that mcnew has any Fi, ENFjs can choose to either follow Fi principles or abandon them altogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZTCrawcrustle View Post
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    Delta NFs do not value Ni, which is the IM element of esoteric beliefs, so they are much less susceptible to religious mantras of enlightenment followed by educating those "left behind". (Actually, in essense, this is a belief held by many Ti-valuing people.)
    This is not true. There is a substantial amount of Delta members that are religious, of course, there may be the same amount who also are not. Essentially, I do not think religious matters are type related.

    In addition, I find the Delta quadra to be quite willing to help those "left behind". Perhaps the only barrier for this, as it is the nature of Delta to not impose but support, is that the person must actually desire to move forward. This desire need not be explicitly stated.
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    People who are familiar with the way a computer program runs on a computer know that it is 100% possible to change a running compiled program temporarily through its memory processes and also permanently through its compiled hard code AFTER it has been compiled.

    Stated in a way that related to humans ...

    People who are familiar with the way a persons psyche functions run know that it is 100% possible to change a persons type temporarily through deception and also more permanently through its DNA code AFTER a person has been born.

    So, you can change it temporarily through deception or more permanently through altering DNA. Well, there are people who know how to deceive [change their type temporarily] on this planet and also who know how to alter DNA.

    Deception has to do with altering a memory that has no basis in cause-effect[it was not generated through male/female reality relationships]. And you can change your own DNA by altering certain aspects of the physical, astral, and mental planes. This is another discussion all together that actually does have much more to do with socionics than any of you realize.

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    This message is endorsed by rmcnew (blame him!).


    what IS McNew good at?

    anyone?????

    oh, silly me, i forgot:

    -alienating expat and the other mods
    -disrespecting most of the forum posters
    -building a religion to himself. who cares if it has only 1 worshipper?
    -going away on long "vacations" where no one can contact him
    -irresponsibility
    -completely arbitrary admin decisions. actually, maybe not "completely random." i'm betting he uses his magic 8 ball, ouija board, or the moon's cycle.
    -trying to make himself look good
    -videos and threads full of jibberish linking ancient chinese symbols to hieroglyphics to socionics! two words: ROSETTA STONE
    -consistent "wasn't me" attitude

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    oh, silly me, i forgot:

    -alienating expat and the other mods
    -disrespecting most of the forum posters
    -building a religion to himself. who cares if it has only 1 worshipper?
    -going away on long "vacations" where no one can contact him
    -irresponsibility
    -completely arbitrary admin decisions. actually, maybe not "completely random." i'm betting he uses his magic 8 ball, ouija board, or the moon's cycle.
    -trying to make himself look good
    -videos and threads full of jibberish linking ancient chinese symbols to hieroglyphics to socionics! two words: ROSETTA STONE
    -consistent "wasn't me" attitude
    LOL... beautiful...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    oh, silly me, i forgot:

    -alienating expat and the other mods
    -disrespecting most of the forum posters
    -building a religion to himself. who cares if it has only 1 worshipper?
    -going away on long "vacations" where no one can contact him
    -irresponsibility
    -completely arbitrary admin decisions. actually, maybe not "completely random." i'm betting he uses his magic 8 ball, ouija board, or the moon's cycle.
    -trying to make himself look good

    -videos and threads full of jibberish linking ancient chinese symbols to hieroglyphics to socionics! two words: ROSETTA STONE
    -consistent "wasn't me" attitude
    lmfao

    +1000

    thanks!

    oh i forgot one

    -making a stupid hat look dumber than it already is:


    LOLOL...I remember when he came on stickam with that thing on...classic

    Quote Originally Posted by ZTCrawcrustle View Post
    Not to single you out, but yours is the shortest post on this topic. Ni is directly linked to spirituality. Whereas Si is strictly matters of the body, Ni is matters of the mind/spirit.

    The Greeter - while there are religious people in every quadra, the sheer majority of Deltas are deeply atheistic. Even Dostoevsky, himself a believer, was unsure of God's existence and thought that people had a choice and wanted them to ultimately choose that there was a God. To make this choice, he thought people had to let themselves be ridiculous.

    Delta combines Ni-devaluing with Te-valuing. While, many ESEs cannot reason out an unforseen occurence, which leads them to becoming religious, LSEs never even assume that some occurence has any meaning behind it, much less a divinely inspired one. While Delta NFs may be slightly more religious, Delta STs are only so to follow along with their community.

    I do not know about the religiosity of this forum's Deltas, but neither am I responsible for their typing.
    You are an idiot, Crusty.

    Thank you for your thoughtful and valuable contribution.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZTCrawcrustle View Post
    Thank you for your thoughtful and valuable contribution.
    It doesn't matter if you have hot air disguised as some kind of logic, it doesn't change the fact that it's hot air.

    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    It doesn't matter if you have hot air disguised as some kind of logic, it doesn't change the fact that it's hot air.
    I love your unmasked fire

    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    I love your unmasked fire
    unmasked fire?

    Man, pomegranates are delicious. But they are so hard to peel. Then you have to get out all the seeds into a bowl. And afterwards, they leave an irritating numbness on the back of my tongue.

    Anyway, did you (dolphin) figure out any actual complaints that you have? Or any points of mine you wish to argue against?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmcnew View Post
    People who are familiar with the way a persons psyche functions run know that it is 100% possible to change a persons type temporarily through deception and also more permanently through its DNA code AFTER a person has been born.

    So, you can change it temporarily through deception or more permanently through altering DNA. Well, there are people who know how to deceive [change their type temporarily] on this planet and also who know how to alter DNA.

    Deception has to do with altering a memory that has no basis in cause-effect[it was not generated through male/female reality relationships]. And you can change your own DNA by altering certain aspects of the physical, astral, and mental planes. This is another discussion all together that actually does have much more to do with socionics than any of you realize.
    With this, is anyone still doubting EIE? The glorification of deception is something no Delta would ever consider. The deception as applied to character is a past time of EIEs.

    Also, your lack of knowledge astounds me. Do you really not know that DNA cannot be altered just by thinking and wishing for it, and also that even if you did alter the DNA in all of your bodies cells, this still would not change your body structure and type and at best may affect something in your children? If you do, you either believe in such a far-fetched concept as modifying things through astral planes or are bullshitting (which I think, deep down inside, you realize you are).

    Now, to address real points.

    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    I think any type can be religious. But I don't see why _how types are religious is any less related to Sociotype than other behavior.
    Not to single you out, but yours is the shortest post on this topic. Ni is directly linked to spirituality. Whereas Si is strictly matters of the body, Ni is matters of the mind/spirit.

    The Greeter - while there are religious people in every quadra, the sheer majority of Deltas are deeply atheistic. Even Dostoevsky, himself a believer, was unsure of God's existence and thought that people had a choice and wanted them to ultimately choose that there was a God. To make this choice, he thought people had to let themselves be ridiculous.

    Delta combines Ni-devaluing with Te-valuing. While, many ESEs cannot reason out an unforseen occurence, which leads them to becoming religious, LSEs never even assume that some occurence has any meaning behind it, much less a divinely inspired one. While Delta NFs may be slightly more religious, Delta STs are only so to follow along with their community.

    I do not know about the religiosity of this forum's Deltas, but neither am I responsible for their typing.

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    Screw it. Falsehood must be corrected.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Why would Ne want to lure people into a trap? Because Ne esp Ne in ENTp is very 'gamey' for want of a word. You can either accept this or not. No point in justifying it, that I can see anyway.

    Re McNew's type- I still see ENTp. To put it simply, he demonstrates a higher energy level than an introvert. In his programming and subsequent fixes on the forum he is rather spontaneous with his energy application giving EP temp not EJ. He's clearly interested in lots of different things and has an ability to connect things together in a way which is Ne, and i've seen him quickly and efficiently build logical systems, like for instance when there was a proposal for changing the way the forum was run, and how he builds systems for alchemy and socionics etc, leading me to think Ti. Tie all this together and I see ENTp. There are some more reasons but that'll do for now
    I'm going to ignore the first paragraph as it is not a reason. This is unfair, as I am going to address most of mcnew's points that also lack reason.

    Mcnew has demonstrative Ne. He does not voice multiple alternatives, instead choosing to hammer his alchemical socionics. Although I agree he is an extravert, I do not see how he is socionically irrational or has any traits that make him so. He does not possess strong Ti or Te, as both of these elements are utterly lacking in his posts and views. His work ethic can be explained by a Te demonstrative, but, as the last sentence stated, he has weak Te and his work ethic is better explainable with Te role.

    Quote Originally Posted by rmcnew View Post
    Please see the chart and look at ([Ne]STUBBORN DONKEY IS LEAD BY CARROT) and also ([Si]THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOLID EARTH AND COLLAPSABLE EARTH)

    A stubborn donkey can not be forced to move unless it is given an incentive to move. A stubborn donkey must consent to being lead by the incentive. The incentive leads the donkey, and as donkey sees gain donkey moves on the premise that he can get a bite of the tasty carrot before his snout.

    Does not a whirlwind create chaos? And yet, a whirlwind is an important part of the environment, and has a function and a purpose. You will not see its positive effects until long after. But, despite taking nature out of its own element, things are given new elements. It is refamiliarization.

    If Ni were not of division, nothing would ever be divided. No one would have a goal, and nothing would ever be accomplished. Existence would grow meaningless and futile.

    A maze is a wonderful thing. You go the wrong way, it send you back to a save point. If there was no right and wrong way, there would be no means to get ahead. And if there is no means to get ahead, the would be no right facts and no incorrect facts. This is the nature of Extroverted thinking.

    Please see the chart and look at ([Ne]STUBBORN DONKEY IS LEAD BY CARROT) and also ([Si]THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOLID EARTH AND COLLAPSIBLE EARTH)
    I weep for humanity.

    What you have here is not an explanation. It is entirely anectodal evidence. Anyone can make up crazy shit, write it down one after the other, and say it somehow links to whatever they want. It being true is a different story.

    More specifically:

    the first paragraph talks about a donkey, not saying why the hell this represents an Ne approach or how the hell it is Ne at all or why the hell ILEs bait someone. The fact that ILEs would leave the donkey the hell alone also seems to miss you.

    The second paragraph talks about a whirlwind. The ILI in no way shape or form correlates to a whirlwind. Neither are whirlwinds necessary; they occur because of imbalances in air currents, but this does not make them necessary.

    The third paragraph is pointless. I could switch Ni to any other function and get a paragraph that makes as much meaning and sense.

    The fourth paragraph is plain idiotic. It starts with a maze and through two false conclusions ends up with facts. First, you start with a wrong way and you get lost. Second, there does not have to be a way to advance. Lastly, even if there is no way to advance, the facts are still there. If there is no right way to advance, there are still correct and incorrect facts. Also, although this already answers everything falsely, it does not even address my first question: how can Te reinterpret anything?

    ifmd95 - it is late and I will deal with your points in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    When investors talk about evolutionary (say, as opposed to revolutionary) changes in technological development, they aren't talking about biological species. The word evolution is much older than the biological theory of evolution. It has other uses.
    Is Mcnew the Terminator? We are talking about a biological species, as far as I know.



    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    And I only brought it up to juxtapose with literacy -- literacy in contrast with IQ can significantly change independent of biological constraints. So the point was there are measurements of human pontial on boths sides of the nature/nurture divide.
    I apologize. Last time I got off on a rant and forgot what I wanted to say. Like I said in the outline, you can improve with the IM elements, but the functional balance will remain the same. You can become literate, but no matter how literate you become, you will never become telepathic.

    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    That's fine, but McNew's "type change" isn't the only possible "type change".
    As this thread is about mcnew, I will keep it to mcnew.

    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    I haven't seen enough to confirm mcnew values "strict obedience and dedication" or other Ti dual-seeking yet, more so than some other form of being moral. The following points are more apparent in his case --
    I actaully meant those descriptions to apply to the religions and show them to be of a more Beta or Se/Ni strain.



    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    -- but since both Betas and Deltas are Aristocratic, I'm not so sure it rules out IEE as much as ILE.

    Re: Aristocracy, both Deltas and Betas do not bloc their intuitions with logic and both are often described as having spiritual insights. The NF's in both cases have those insights more so than the ST's, so there is a degree of said "education" in either case.
    I'm again confused as to what aristocracy has to do with this. Wait. Got it.

    Deltas do not believe they are above you when they are offering help. Deltas generally try to treat everyone equally, even if this "equally" manifests as "like shit". They can show favoritism, but will be surprised if you accuse them of it. Such beliefs as "some can be taught and others cannot" are not Delta beliefs. Beta beliefs are more along the lines of "those who want to, learn."

    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    SLE is odd, but it's the IEE's Role. And I don't know the extent he still considers himself Delta. If he considers himself to have "mastered" Beta ST more than Delta ST, that could be telling.
    SLE is not odd; it would be odd that anyone in Delta would see "acting as someone else" in a good light. SLE may be the oddest on that list for an IEE because it might as well be an alien existence. IEEs abhor competition in exchange for fairness and everybody getting along; SLEs, if they want it bad enough, would abandon all the close ones who do not share their goals in order to become number one.

    Again, by mcnew's own words, I would like to mention that he said "act" as other types. The process mcnew describes is one common to many EIEs.
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