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    She's one of the most difficult people I've known as far as typing goes. For every type, there's something that doesn't fit. These are the types that have more than a 2% chance of being her type though, imo.

    SLE
    EIE
    LSI
    LIE
    SEE
    ESI
    IEE

    Some of these types are more likely than others, but like I said, it's only a list of the types that there's more than a 2% chance she is.
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    btw, anyone who would like to suggest that ESE should be included on that list should visit this topic and answer "no".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    She's one of the most difficult people I've known as far as typing goes. For every type, there's something that doesn't fit. These are the types that have more than a 2% chance of being her type though, imo.

    SLE
    EIE
    LSI
    LIE
    SEE
    ESI
    IEE

    Some of these types are more likely than others, but like I said, it's only a list of the types that there's more than a 2% chance she is.
    Every type has at least a 6.25% chance of being hers.
    In order from most to least likely, I would say:
    EIE
    ESE
    LSI
    SLE
    SEE

    EDIT: I see EIE and ESE as the top two choices by a landslide. Also, I know that Rick has typed her as ESE and initially I strongly favored EIE, but I am beginning to think that she very well could have Ni PoLR, is generally very positive and optimistic in a stereotypical ESE way, and seems more caregiver-ish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Every type has at least a 6.25% chance of being hers.
    Assuming random odds.
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    Clearly EJ, and Fe.
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    Unless I forget, she's said she tends to be a little more stern and straight irl than she comes off here. I think she values Fe from the kind of compliments she has concerning her husband. I'd guess SLE possibly over any sort of alpha NT. EP or EJ could fit for her temperamentally, so I wouldn't discount EIE. Even SEE seems like it could work on some level. She's incredibly enigmatic, in a cyclical way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    Assuming random odds.
    Sure, but had you assumed not and were creating a "more likely" list based off of ruling out certain options and favoring others, each type on your list would have a probability of greater than 6.25%, so greater than 2% as well.
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    indeed

    As to the Fe/Ti vs. Te/Fi valuing, I haven't seen anything clear one way or another. Ni/Se > Si/Ne is much more apparent to me, but even with that one of the Ne/Si types made the list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    indeed

    As to the Fe/Ti vs. Te/Fi valuing, I haven't seen anything clear one way or another. Ni/Se > Si/Ne is much more apparent to me, but even with that one of the Ne/Si types made the list.
    I think Fe/Ti is practically blatantly obvious.
    I was originally leaning toward Se/Ni, but I am beginning to think that I was misreading her general optimism and constructive attitude as sort of a "suck it up" Se thing, which it may not be. She actually seems remarkably open to personal differences in a way that I don't see in EIEs and I do see in ESEs; so, in other words Ne-valuing.
    My main problem with saying that she is Se/Ni is basically that it would put her in Beta, which means aggressor or victim. She's clearly not victim- I see her as definitely more of the leader in a relationship- so that leaves SLE and LSI. I think rational is clear, so then she'd have to be LSI, which I'm not sure I LOVE. OTOH, if we assume Ne/Si, then she would be a rational caregiver. Hence ESE. And there's not much wrong with that IMO.
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    Ne valuing, maybe. Ni PoLR, no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    Ne valuing, maybe. Ni PoLR, no.
    lol why????

    btw. that leaves us with NO Ne-valuing options. She's clearly rational and doesn't have Ne ego, so the only Ne-valuing choice would be ESxJ.
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    She very much is Ni polr IMO. And it's not because she arrives late to work. She just seems to base a lot of her spiritual stuff on Ne tangential stuff -- interpolations and external connections -- in a fairly scattered manner, which could work well for an Si-ESFj's Si-->Ne focus. I know she seemed all Ni mystical when she first got here, but there is a point at which that stuff stops. As far as energy levels, EJ temperament seems pretty clear. Regardless of subtype, she does seem to have the energy thresholds that I would expect from an extrovert, and the general psychological control that comes with being a rational. Fe seems very pervasive; I'm not sure how anyone could think she's gamma or delta (ENFp being the only remotely possible type). I'm not sure how one could conclude Se/Ni? Maybe her whole ambitious, exercise consistently, etc. stuff makes people think = willful, etc? Seems much more concerned with maintaining (and allaying) the immediate emotional atmosphere; responds to "threats" that a beta NF would deem pointless or that a beta ST would likely shut down immediately (like when she got offset in the pics thread in some argument against allie -- reminded me very much of how my ESFj mom reacts to conflict).
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    Back when she was claiming to be SEE, I had made a case for why she's ESE. After which she stopped posting for a while and then came back as "SLE—because you don't know me IRL, huh?"

    Anyway, I'm sticking by what I said.

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    I've spent a great deal of time around Ni PoLR types, and there are just certain perspectives that they do not appreciate, certain ways that you cannot explain things to them. She and I have talked a lot and the type of thing that you just cannot say to someone with a Ne PoLR without getting a negative reaction, she's all "YES!" to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allie View Post
    Back when she was claiming to be SEE, I had made a case for why she's ESE.
    Sorry darling, but all you did then was bark like a dog at an unknown stranger.
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    She's ESE-Si.

    The polr thread is irrelevant. It was discussing ESE-Fe & LSE-Te Ni polrs. These types deal with their polr much differently then an ESE-Si or an LSE-Si does.

    Show her the ESE-Si description and she will identify with it.

    I've actually met a woman who looked and acted just like her when I was in biology lab class. She had the same facial features, the same grin. She was also ESE-Si.
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    There is no way that she is ESFj. There is nothing about her that would convince me of that IRL. If she is, than this whole socionics thing is bonk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macysmama View Post
    There is no way that she is ESFj. There is nothing about her that would convince me of that IRL. If she is, than this whole socionics thing is bonk.
    okay, well you're her sister so you tell us what she is then!
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    Quote Originally Posted by macysmama View Post
    There is no way that she is ESFj. There is nothing about her that would convince me of that IRL. If she is, than this whole socionics thing is bonk.
    What about LSI or EIE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    What about LSI or EIE?
    What about wholewheat flour tortillas or roasted garlic bread with parmesan?
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    What about wholewheat flour tortillas or roasted garlic bread with parmesan?
    mmmm, hungry...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    What about LSI or EIE?
    I really want to help, but I have 3 little ones all day and dinner to cook tonight. I don't actually know what to say or describe to you guys to help. I could tell you what about a few possible types she does/doesn't do, but it will take me time. So I'm not sure when I will get it posted.
    As far as temperments go, she seems like an EP, very impulsive in the moment, but not a spontaneous person at all. Does that make sense online? hehe

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    ...don't want to be an ass, but you seem to know very little about socionics. I assume she tested as ESE, and so that's why she believes she's ESE, right?

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    What about the idea of a Fe role? Like starfall mentioned, it could explain why the Fe ego types don't identify with her.

    Regardless of her type, it's safe to assume that she's not primarily using her ego block. If she were, it wouldn't be so difficult to type her. We wouldn't be seeing contradictions in her demeanor and the different things she says about what she's like irl.

    So, assuming she's focusing too much on either her super ego or super id or both. The area where her focus feels most "unnatural" seems to be Fe. As for the irrational functions, it's difficult to tell just from her forum posts. But like I've already said, Se/Ni valuing seems more apparent than whether she's Fe/Ti or Te/Fi valuing.

    If I had to guess, I'd say she shares quadra values with me, based on the PM conversations we've had.
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    I always automatically assumed LSI and was shocked when people suggested otherwise. Meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    If I had to guess, I'd say she shares quadra values with me, based on the PM conversations we've had.
    I could see Fe role. LIE??!!

    You know, now that I think about it, she does remind me of that same LIE I was talking about in the other thread in gamma.
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    Like I said, I have no complaints with the LIE typing. She's focusing more on Se and Fe than on Te and Ni. It happens. (If anyone's interested in trying to sit through an obnoxious history lesson, read my posts from about this time three years ago through the five or six following months.)

    Basically, she just needs to spend more time around people who reward her ego block. (This is probably true no matter what her type is, as evidenced by how difficult it is to type her.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    Like I said, I have no complaints with the LIE typing. She's focusing more on Se and Fe than on Te and Ni. It happens. (If anyone's interested in trying to sit through an obnoxious history lesson, read my posts from about this time three years ago through the five or six following months.)
    This is a really bad typing strategy. Or you are better than any typist in the world to be able to produce this. It's not the latter..it would have caught on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    What about the idea of a Fe role?
    No, shut the fuck up already. She's an ethical type.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    No, shut the fuck up already.
    says the Fe PoLR
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    says the Fe PoLR
    Excuse me?
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winterpark View Post
    Excuse me?
    aren't you ISTp?
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    I'm reminded of the Dante's Peak analogy with the frog.
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    Typing inspiration?

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    No, staying away inspiration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ifmd95 View Post
    she often discusses how others assist her with relaxation and routine. (it would seem she prioritizes the intuitions, whatever kind they are, above this.) she is willing to be confrontational against a calm emotional environment. this all sounded Se HA to me.

    although, she has discussed LSI recently (for example, Burt Reynolds) and it hasn't sounded favorable necessarily. why not EP temperament again? EP can be higher energy than other temperaments and each EP type uses significant Fe.
    +1. And I can't really see any other possibilities aside from ENFj and Fi EP.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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