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    Default ISFjs - more of a pushover than INFjs?

    ISFj's can be like total pushovers at times. Definitely moreso than the INFj.
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    It's the common sense answer
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    Maybe what UDP is referring to is the fact that an EII, with Se PoLR won't always realise when they're fighting a 'losing battle' and will persist, whilst the ESI will revise their position and back-down 'strategically' in line with assessing the 'conditions of battle' via their Se-creative. I do think sometimes EIIs persist where ESIs desist, but I don't think that should necessary be taken as the ESI being 'more of a pushover'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unefille View Post
    Maybe what UDP is referring to is the fact that an EII, with Se PoLR won't always realise when they're fighting a 'losing battle' and will persist, whilst the ESI will revise their position and back-down 'strategically' in line with assessing the 'conditions of battle' via their Se-creative. I do think sometimes EIIs persist where ESIs desist, but I don't think that should necessary be taken as the ESI being 'more of a pushover'.
    I think you mean, "Maybe what whoever wrote that quote is referring to..."? I don't think it's been made clear yet who wrote that, and I'm thinking the anonymity is intentional so as to focus on the content.

    Anyway, generally speaking, I wouldn't say that an ISFj is going to be more of a pushover than an INFj, though I think it would probably depend on the circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unefille View Post
    Maybe what UDP is referring to is the fact that an EII, with Se PoLR won't always realise when they're fighting a 'losing battle' and will persist, whilst the ESI will revise their position and back-down 'strategically' in line with assessing the 'conditions of battle' via their Se-creative. I do think sometimes EIIs persist where ESIs desist, but I don't think that should necessary be taken as the ESI being 'more of a pushover'.
    Oh I see what you mean. I am sort of oblivious to the idea of "losing battle," not so much bc i don't realize when I'm fighting a losing battle, but because i refuse to play into fighting tactics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unefille View Post
    Maybe what UDP is referring to...

    Actually, what this thread was about is that someone who, imo, doesn't understand socionics properly, said the quote in the original post. I was going to use this thread as a means to show various opinions on the matter.

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    From my experience, INFjs and ISFps are the pushovers, not ISFjs.

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    UDP, please stop! I don't know what it is. Maybe the avatar. It all just seems ridiculous.

    Ummmm....about the quote.
    I don't think either INFJs/ISFJs are push-overs. These are types who basically do everything according to their "system." They're not exactly "go with the flow" people. If you're talking about more physically assertive situations, maybe INFJs seem more weak. If you're talking about shooting around ideas in a meeting, maybe ISFJs seem more weak. I don't really see "pushover" though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    UDP, please stop! I don't know what it is. Maybe the avatar. It all just seems ridiculous
    This has nothing to do with you or anything on the forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    This has nothing to do with you or anything on the forum.
    i didn't think that it does. my response had to do with infjs and isfjs in general.
    i asked you to "stop" b/c you're killing me over here. i dunno. maybe it's the avatar. it's like you're being a cartoon character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    UDP, please stop! I don't know what it is. Maybe the avatar. It all just seems ridiculous.
    This is your Fe picking up on a stubborn Ti type being a fake idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    This is your Fe picking up on a stubborn Ti type being a fake idiot.

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    lol. what?
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