Bill Hicks

[Pawnatron]

My guess is ENFJ

quotes: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bill_Hicks#Quotes

ENFjs posses the ability to be great orators as they know how to paint speeches in many colours and how to keep the attention of the listener. Besides containing dramatic emotions, their speeches often contain sharp sarcasm and powerful bitterness. ENFjs know well how to combine humour with tragedy. As a result their narratives are always breathtaking.

That sounds pretty much like Bill's standup, "combining humor with traedy" saying jokes about the Kennedy Assasination, the war in iraq, domestic violence, child abortion, cancer....

[Gilly]

Dark humor is an xNTp trademark, but I don't know who Bill Hicks is.

[Pawnatron]

Dark humor is an xNTp trademark, but I don't know who Bill Hicks is.

You should check him out, he was a genius. He smoked a lot and made jokes about it and then he died of lung cancer.

I thought every american knew who he was.

[Creepy-pokeball]

ENTp as well!

[Raver]

Bill Hicks I think was definitely an ENTP. He hated authority with a passion and for a very good reason. He got a lot of air time removed because of the U.S. government. He didn't become as popular as he should of become and he was angry for that. (I would be too). His comedy was very intellectual and I think he used a lot of to point out the mishaps of society. I'm confident that ENTP is his personality or maybe another type. Though, I don't think he was ENFJ.

[Creepy-pokeball]

I hope you know I was joking =p He could be cat litter and I'd still feel the same.

[olduser]

nah he died of pancreatic cancer.

[Pawnatron]

Bill Hicks is funny as hell. The drug stuff especially.

There is a 55 min video found with Google=>Video that I saw the first few minutes or so of, nothing golden but there is an excellent part near the beginning where some chick says "you suck" and he FLIPS out on her.

Worth watching just for that.

Yeah i have that whole standup on mp3. "It's called "i'm sorry folks"

[Joy]

I can't believe that after a year and more than 10,000 posts I am now first understanding what an ENTp is!!!

And now I can think of a few I've know. They're fun and interesting, but unrealiable (and thus unprofitable).

[Gilly]

I can't believe that after a year of thinking I was one and more than 10,000 posts I am now first understanding what an ENTp is!!!

And now I can think of a few I've know. They're fun and interesting, and pretty much the shit in general

[Joy]

some of my favorite people here are moderators!

[Gilly]

some of my favorite people here are moderators!

lol

Alcohol really IS +

[Joy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8whgMW2FZY

"I lost my car and... oh, no there it is, over there"

anyways, I agree with his stances http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8whgMW2FZY

No, neither Peter nor I is this guy's identical. Oops, time to rebuild your concept of a theory.



I'd like to formally thank the crazy corn lady (<3 maizemedley) for bringing the existence of this person to my attention

[Gilly]

joy you're silly

[Joy]

hold on...

peter and I are not

peter or I is not

right????????????

anyways, it's hilarious that bill hicks said something like "people come up to me and say 'it takes more energy to frown than it does to smile' and I'm like 'It takes more energy to point that out than it does to leave me alone'."

LOL

[Gilly]

peter or I is not

Neither Peter nor I is...

[Joy]

peter or I is not

Neither Peter nor I is...

yes, thank you

I deconstructed what I had said, and you reconstructed it... and I was right! Yay!

[Gilly]

But what you wrote is gramatically incorrect, and doesn't even carry the same meaning.

peter or I is not

This would be

"Either Peter or I is not..."

...as in one of you, and not the other, is not doing something.

Additionally, it's a double negative, and would be more accurately and syntactically correct as...

"Either Peter or I is..."

[Joy]

But what you wrote is gramatically incorrect, and doesn't even carry the same meaning.

peter or I is not

This would be

"Either Peter or I is not..."

...as in one of you, and not the other, is not doing something.

Additionally, it's a double negative, and would be more accurately and syntactically correct as...

"Either Peter or I is..."

yes, that's what I was going for... it was intended to be incomplete

[implied]

these are fucking hilarious. i agree though, like, i think ENTps are incredibly interesting and hilarious, but yeah, unreliable as all hell! my relationship with ENTps is incredibly sad due to this because it can never go any deeper than the superficial level!

[Gilly]

these are fucking hilarious. i agree though, like, i think ENTps are incredibly interesting and hilarious, but yeah, unreliable as all hell! my relationship with ENTps is incredibly sad due to this because it can never go any deeper than the superficial level!

That's not always true.

[olduser]

There is a good chance Bill Hicks is ENTj.

[Gilly]

Nooooo...that's not Gamma humor. Not by a mile.

Not to mention he's quite clearly irrational, as well as extroverted.

[olduser]

t's funny and delightful but not childish. But bill hicks is more a critic of society than a free-spirited fun lover. That's why I say ENTj. I'm not really hellbent on that thought, though.

[implied]

Nooooo...that's not Gamma humor. Not by a mile.

give a good example of gamma humor, please!

[Gilly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzHlMs2rSIM

By the way, he's INTp after all.

[Gilly]

That's ironic: my two favorite comedians are conflictors...

[FDG]

There is a good chance Bill Hicks is ENTj.

I agree. VIs as ENTj, if anything.

[FDG]

Nooooo...that's not Gamma humor. Not by a mile.

Those classifications are a bit too strict.

[Jonathan]

Ep seems likely, and he could be ENTp, but I get an vibe from him. His manner of acting everything out physically seems . That may just be part of the performance craft, but he seems to do that more than other comedians, and more comfortably/gracefully. ENTj is possible, I suppose. I'd also consider that he may be ESTp, or somewhere between ESTp and ENTp.

[Joy]

Bill Hicks does not value Se

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo

And I don't care about "VI" when someone's type is so obvious from what they say and the way they act.

[Joy]

that said, he looks like Tim Allen

[Gilly]

Robin Williams (Clear ESE IMO)

[FDG]

Bill Hicks does not value Se

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo

And I don't care about "VI" when someone's type is so obvious from what they say and the way they act.

Since two people have seen ENTj, it's not obvious, Joy. Maybe it's obvious to you.

How do you deduce from that that he doesn't value Se? I might just be missing it, please explain.

[Joy]

It's not the way he's acting (because he's a stand up comedian... if there's a type who actually acts like that... ), it's his ideas and outlook on things. When I said "act" I meant the way he describes himself, I suppose.

And the stuff he says about marketing and money are soooooooooo Alpha... and it's a large part of the reason that Alpha and Gamma are conflicting quadras. Having been with a TiNe for a few years, I have been made painfully aware of this aspect of whether or not someone values Se. No, Se isn't just about money, but the reason that Alphas find those concerned with money unattractive is because they don't value Se. And the reason that ENTjs have the exaggerated greedy stereotype is because they do value Se.

I'm the type of person that Bill Hicks was expressing frustration towards in that particular clip... the type of frustration/disgust he portrays is similar to the way that INTj and a few other Alphas I've known express towards me.

[FDG]

I don't know though, have you ever read the autobiographical novel "Martin Eden" from Jack London himself, the stereotype of ENTj? There's a very clear underlying disgust for everything you associate to Se.

[Gilly]

VI makes him pretty clearly irrational.

[Joy]

I don't know though, have you ever read the autobiographical novel "Martin Eden" from Jack London himself, the stereotype of ENTj? There's a very clear underlying disgust for everything you associate to Se.

I have not.

Did he express it similarly to the way Bill Hicks is expressing it, or was it an expression of disgust for people who spend their lives trying to gain power and prestige? To me, the stereotypical upper middle class mindset and people who care about money more than people are disgusting. Things that involve making lots of money by selling your soul to a corporation, politics, or organized crime are disgusting. Basically, Fe + Se is disgusting. When societal roles come into play, that's when I start getting irritated and expressing "a very clear underlying disgust for everything 'you' associate to Se".

No, I don't think money is more important than people and I do think that people who care about prestige and looking wealthy are disgusting... but the specific way Bill Hicks talks about marketing is a totally different idea fthan the type of thing I can't stand.

[Gilly]

You're fucking stupid. You can't keep pinning these negative stereotypes and images on functions. It's REALLY retarded and it's getting on my goddamn nerves.

[FDG]

I don't know though, have you ever read the autobiographical novel "Martin Eden" from Jack London himself, the stereotype of ENTj? There's a very clear underlying disgust for everything you associate to Se.

I have not.

Did he express it similarly to the way Bill Hicks is expressing it, or was it an expression of disgust for people who spend their lives trying to gain power and prestige? To me, the stereotypical upper middle class mindset and people who care about money more than people are disgusting. Things that involve making lots of money by selling your soul to a corporation, politics, or organized crime are disgusting. Basically, Fe + Se is disgusting. When societal roles come into play, that's when I start getting irritated and expressing "a very clear underlying disgust for everything 'you' associate to Se".

Sure, Fe+Se. Just think about the movie Fight Club, which is the most Beta movie ever, that deals with exactly the opposite of everything you said here. Please, please, please do not spread false informations.

But never mind. His disagreement was in regard to both sides of the issue. Btw, you should really read the novel. I know no writer easier and faster to read than Martin Eden: I very rarely read fiction, but his is always welcomed.

No, I don't think money is more important than people and I do think that people who care about prestige and looking wealthy are disgusting... but the specific way Bill Hicks talks about marketing is a totally different idea fthan the type of thing I can't stand.

Uhm I think I get what you mean, he kind of "demonizes" it more than it's actually necessary.