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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Also, generally speaking, I think that when people label external behaviors or processes as "good" or "bad," it's incredibly contrived and simplistic. Assigning normative values to labels are only good to me insofar as they serve as a shorthand to describe a common motive or as a "rule of thumb." I prefer not to use them, however, because people really do fall victim to categorizing things or people in this black and white way.

    And I'm going to be cynical here, but I really think that when people point to things and say "X is bad" it has the side effect (if not, intended purpose) of letting them rationalize their moral uprightness to themselves. Don't you think everyone's self-perception would be really positive (and smug) if they went around defining arbitrary things, such as eating pasta, as evil? Then they could just go out and kill someone and rationalize it by saying "well, I don't eat pasta, so I'm a good person."
    i SO agree with you on this way of seeing this...these are the kinds of things i say to my sister a lot and she doesn't quite "get it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    lush- If presented with an opportunity to drink shamelessly and in large quantities, and if in the mood for a drunken good time, a lush generally won’t pass up on it. (UrbanDictionary.com)

    It basically differs from an alcoholic according to the reason for drinking- social and hedonistic- and not the severity of the drunkenness.
    ah i see, thanks

    I really can't find a correlation between lushes/drunks and people whom I value. I have a lot of friends that fit in both categories; there are also a lot of people who never touch a drink and I think are annoying as all hell.
    of course, but i think when people make such statements, e.g. 'getting drunk is bad', they are implicitly invoking ceteris paribus

    To me, it sort of depends on the person's motives for drinking. People's motives are sort of what differentiates them to me; not the manifestations of their motives-e.g., drinking or lots of casual sex. I see no such thing as a "wrong" manifestation.

    Also, generally speaking, I think that when people label external behaviors or processes as "good" or "bad," it's incredibly contrived and simplistic. Assigning normative values to labels are only good to me insofar as they serve as a shorthand to describe a common motive or as a "rule of thumb." I prefer not to use them, however, because people really do fall victim to categorizing things or people in this black and white way.

    And I'm going to be cynical here, but I really think that when people point to things and say "X is bad" it has the side effect (if not, intended purpose) of letting them rationalize their moral uprightness to themselves. Don't you think everyone's self-perception would be really positive (and smug) if they went around defining arbitrary things, such as eating pasta, as evil? Then they could just go out and kill someone and rationalize it by saying "well, I don't eat pasta, so I'm a good person."
    i agree that it is far more important to look at the intention/motivation rather than the behaviour.... but there are some behaviours (admittedly not ones such as getting drunk, but for example killing someone) that are ultimately "bad" regardless of the intention/motivation... and of course by labelling the behaviour as 'bad' you are not necessarily judging the person who has committed that behaviour

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    Yes, I know this may seem like a strange question coming from someone with my reputation (or, perhaps, lack thereof), but I didn't want you to feel left out.


    For the record, while I've had small amounts of alcohol a couple of times, I've never been drunk, so I can't tell you what I'm like when intoxicated. The closest I've gotten to that or to being high is from prescribed pain medication.
    like a Beta irrational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kensi View Post
    like a Beta irrational.
    So a sober person wouldn't get along with their drunk dualz?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kensi View Post
    like a Beta irrational.
    What do you mean?
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    I'm a total lush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unefille View Post
    I'm a total lush.
    +1 me too
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    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    So a sober person wouldn't get along with their drunk dualz?
    Nice pic, Mune!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    What do you mean?
    a drunk delta irrational will enjoy the company of another drunk beta rational. I would love to drink with a drunken Clint Eastwood. That would be my ultimate celebrity goal. (does not apply to all subtypes though)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kensi View Post
    Nice pic, Mune!
    Thanks. It's a statement on the inescapable tragedies of life. Or the best thing ever. I'll let that kernel percolate in your brain for a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by munenori2 View Post
    Thanks. It's a statement on the inescapable tragedies of life. Or the best thing ever. I'll let that kernel percolate in your brain for a bit.
    Now you've done it! I'm in a popcorn mood.
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    the dude in your avatar really needs to have a basketball placed in his hands.
    He's not happy because he can't do his job without the basketball
    He's in such anguish, with no basketball.
    Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
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    I guess I got introduced to alcohol very close to my 21st birthday, so around 20 I think. I am embarrassed about this now but I’ve thrown up at least twice, and had to clean up after myself...

    ...because I kept searching for an optimal high without getting sick and I would never seem to find it.

    Then this one time I had absinthe at a restaurant and I rather liked it. It wasn’t too much at all.

    With alcohol I become a little less shy. I only seem to care about parties if there is someone I’m (potentially) interested in there, and I dislike sweaty crowd and too much noise around me (...one exception being concerts lol)

    Weed gave me different experience each time - the first time it was way too much, the world was spinning (because I was), started becoming paranoid. The second time was really pleasant, I was in awe of the city skyline I saw everyday from my apartment lol, and just sitting there and enjoying cheez-its and it tasted like it had never before. I could also hear voices from all the way down to the ground floor while being up at 16th floor, and voices from the building across from me (or that is what it felt like), and blended into this distant, sonorous harmony.

    I also dislike wine a lot, I don’t like the taste at all.
    I don’t like beer either.
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