Difficulty understanding Quasi-Identical in writing

[aixelsyd]

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[ScarlettLux]

It's said that Quasis have a very hard time naturally understanding each other. Is it normal for most any type to have to re-read what their Quasi has written and is it usually an unpleasant process in reading and examining their writings?

I honestly cannot stand to read works written by LIIs. I can barely understand it and I want to fall asleep. I don't know if it's just an intertype relation thing or if it's just that they write in a way that is so difficult to maintain focus on what is being said. I doubt this is a beneficiary thing more so than being related to QIs.

Do other types find they have to strain to understand their Quasi Identical or just find what they say to be mind-numbing?

Yes, I relate to this, most definitely with IEEs and EIIs as well in fact. It's that glazed eye feeling when you're skimming over their words -- everything they write seems to be incredibly drawn out and unnecessary, imo. It's just like a jumble of boring words that doesn't get anywhere - lack of I suppose and way too much focus for me... delves too deeply that I want to say, WHERE IS THE FORCE??? Force as in the emphasis, the real meat of what you're getting at. Hmm, hard to describe. Also the ... lawd....

[redbaron]

Yes, I relate to this, most definitely with IEEs and EIIs as well in fact. It's that glazed eye feeling when you're skimming over their words -- everything they write seems to be incredibly drawn out and unnecessary, imo. It's just like a jumble of boring words that doesn't get anywhere - lack of I suppose and way too much focus for me... delves too deeply that I want to say, WHERE IS THE FORCE??? Force as in the emphasis, the real meat of what you're getting at. Hmm, hard to describe. Also the ... lawd....

Yes, this is true for me with my mother, who is EII. And even when we're talking, sometimes I just sit there waiting for her to get to the point already. Too much verbage. I figured it was just because she's wordy or something but I guess it could be type related. lol

[unefille]

Same with me and IEEs, much less so than with EIIs. Even incredibly intelligent IEEs tend to sort of speak in broken fragments; they sort of 'pad' their way toward the point they're making and they seem to have this weird habit of interrupting themselves.

'You see it's like this....or maybe like this? Hmm, wait, let me think about it...ok, so if A is thus and B is thus, but then again, A is never really thus, is it? So...what I'm trying to say IS...'

[Ritella]

Same with me and IEEs, much less so than with EIIs. Even incredibly intelligent IEEs tend to sort of speak in broken fragments; they sort of 'pad' their way toward the point they're making and they seem to have this weird habit of interrupting themselves.

'You see it's like this....or maybe like this? Hmm, wait, let me think about it...ok, so if A is thus and B is thus, but then again, A is never really thus, is it? So...what I'm trying to say IS...'

The funny thing is that Ni-types tend to see me as really weirdly spacey. My mom thinks I look autistic or something. I never think Ne-types seem spacey or fragmented. Ni-types, otoh, always seem really spacey, out of it, and slightly strange to me.

[redbaron]

The funny thing is that Ni-types tend to see me as really weirdly spacey. My mom thinks I look autistic or something. I never think Ne-types seem spacey or fragmented. Ni-types, otoh, always seem really spacey, out of it, and slightly strange to me.

ROTFL That's because I AM really spacey and out of it. Yeah, my mom probably thinks the same thing about me.

[unefille]

The funny thing is that Ni-types tend to see me as really weirdly spacey. My mom thinks I look autistic or something. I never think Ne-types seem spacey or fragmented. Ni-types, otoh, always seem really spacey, out of it, and slightly strange to me.

I think of Ne-types as scattered and Ni-types as space-cadets. I have a tendency to tune out entirely of the environment I am in, or to operate from a strange, pulled-back internal place. When I'm reading a book, I operate in the book world -- nothing seems particularly real and I can see/hear/smell without actually seeing/hearing/smelling anything. Ne-egos on the other hand seem more diffuse in their spaciness, as though their attention is constantly shifting and drifting, their thoughts roving/jumping rathering than um, drilling inward as mine do.

One of my EII friends describes me as a bit of a machine when I'm reading/writing (we studied together during our thesis year this year) -- I become dead to the world with my earphones in. She really liked creeping up next to me and staring at me and scaring the shit out of me -- I'm one of those jumpy heart-attack people. She'd never seen anyone tune out so entirely.

[yeves]

Yes, I relate to this, most definitely with IEEs and EIIs as well in fact. It's that glazed eye feeling when you're skimming over their words -- everything they write seems to be incredibly drawn out and unnecessary, imo. It's just like a jumble of boring words that doesn't get anywhere.

That's exactly how I feel reading my (work) supervisor's e-mails and facebook posts. I considered him to be my beneficiary before but this descriptions fits my interactions with him much better.


Is it common to mistake a quasi-identical for a beneficiary?

[Creepy-Diana]

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[iAnnAu]

Ne subtypes are the hardest for me to read. The organization present in Fi and Ti subtype Ne-egos makes them much easier for me to follow. But, Ne subtypes like imo mune or tereg or jriddy or some others aren't easy for me to read. Heavy Ni subtypes can have that same effect actually. Like reyn can take some effort to understand, it feels less. . . anchored to anything I guess. I never have that issue with SEIs.

That's very interesting to hear, because mune's, tereg's & jriddy's posts are some of the most enjoyable for me to read. I do have to make some effort to understand reyn's like you do, but I also find it worth the effort.

[tereg]

Yes, I can be rather long-winded.

Understatement of the year.

[tereg]

Now as far as ENFj's go, I don't particularly have a problem understanding them with regards to written or spoken language. They are rather forthright and succinct in what they say which leaves little room for misinterpretation.

I suppose the misunderstanding is on a more... human level. I understand what it is that they do, maybe even why they do it. But I don't feel like I can connect with them in those regards. There's a human disconnect that seems to happen that I can't quite explain. So, I feel like I'm talking a different "language", that I can palpably sense when I'm not being understood (maybe with my motivations as an example) or that I'm not quite understanding them and their motivations.

[Ms. Kensington]

I think it depends on the INTp.. I think the Ni ones are harder for me to understand. I actually have trouble paying attention for a long period of time, and tend to skim posts from many people of many types. But in general, i think what hinders understanding for me is feeling that the climate of the conversation is not welcoming.

[reyn_til_runa]

That's very interesting to hear, because mune's, tereg's & jriddy's posts are some of the most enjoyable for me to read. I do have to make some effort to understand reyn's like you do, but I also find it worth the effort.

i could have claimed ESL, but it's a little late for that. fwiw, in communication with others, i actually make an effort to use simple analogies to represent concepts. the idea is that, overall, the gist of the idea, no matter how complicated, will come across. if nothing else, what is important about expressing an idea is that the general relationships which are at work underneath the surface are brought to light. this way, it seems that whatever is universally able to be experienced can be grasped by each person and used as a tool for understanding something different. perhaps this style of communication and understanding is Ni, i don't know. i think the use of analogies confuses some people's thinking, whereas it clarifies my own. nonetheless, it may be better left inside.

[iAnnAu]

i could have claimed ESL, but it's a little late for that. fwiw, in communication with others, i actually make an effort to use simple analogies to represent concepts. the idea is that, overall, the gist of the idea, no matter how complicated, will come across. if nothing else, what is important about expressing an idea is that the general relationships which are at work underneath the surface are brought to light. this way, it seems that whatever is universally able to be experienced can be grasped by each person and used as a tool for understanding something different. perhaps this style of communication and understanding is Ni, i don't know. i think the use of analogies confuses some people's thinking, whereas it clarifies my own. nonetheless, it may be better left inside.

Um, don't miss the part where I said it's worth the effort . Maybe I just haven't yet grown used to your writing style.
I certainly don't want to discourage you from expressing your ideas!

[reyn_til_runa]

Um, don't miss the part where I said it's worth the effort . Maybe I just haven't yet grown used to your writing style.
I certainly don't want to discourage you from expressing your ideas!

no need to encourage. i was not upset.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

It's said that Quasis have a very hard time naturally understanding each other. Is it normal for most any type to have to re-read what their Quasi has written and is it usually an unpleasant process in reading and examining their writings?

I honestly cannot stand to read works written by LIIs. I can barely understand it and I want to fall asleep. I don't know if it's just an intertype relation thing or if it's just that they write in a way that is so difficult to maintain focus on what is being said. I doubt this is a beneficiary thing more so than being related to QIs.

Do other types find they have to strain to understand their Quasi Identical or just find what they say to be mind-numbing?

Don't know about writing style, probably more likely to disagree, but for instance a real life example..

I've heard a few ISFp's saying the ISFj's are rude, and the ISFj's saying the ISFp's don't work hard enough.