(12:53:44) > you think juju is IEI?
(12:57:05) < why would he change
(12:58:01) > i agree that IEE makes little sense
(12:58:07) > but he changed primarily because he's a dumbass
(12:58:11) > and i certainly don't think he's IEI
(12:58:21) > if you want to argue EIE, maybe
(12:58:34) > but the suggestion that juju has Se DS is remarkably demented
(12:58:53) < ok
(12:58:57) < ne/si quadra is more likely
(12:59:04) < but there are two things rattling my mind
(12:59:05) < firstly
(12:59:13) < that he is not an IEE
(12:59:25) > i agree with that
(12:59:29) < secondly, that he tells me he is a "shit sensor"
(12:59:32) < which annoys me
(12:59:33) > i think there's no possible way he's anything but an Fe type
(12:59:35) < not because i don't agree
(12:59:46) < yeah ok
(12:59:47) < fe
(12:59:54) < so he is alpha sf then
(13:00:04) < but then he says he's got bad sensory stuff
(13:00:15) < and when people say things like that in that manner, i tend to believe them
(13:00:19) > well
(13:00:21) < because i think some convictions are worth trusting
(13:00:28) > i take what he has to say with a definite grain of salt
(13:00:40) < if an individual who doesn't know his type feels THAT strongly about an aspect of a type, i feel compelled to trust him
(13:00:41) > partially because he seems remarkably inclined to agree or disagree with anyone else's conclusions at whim
(13:00:50) < no
(13:00:53) < i have talked to him
(13:00:57) < he has disagreed with me
(13:01:02) > i'm sure he has
(13:01:09) > it doesn't mean that
(13:01:16) > he's actually thinking for himself in any means whatsoever
(13:02:32) > the very distinct impression i get from juju is that
(13:02:34) > um
(13:02:44) > very similarly to someone like dbmmama
(13:02:48) < oh god
(13:02:48) < her
(13:02:56) < yeah, i understand your sentiments exactly in that case
(13:03:03) < she is attached to what others think i swear
(13:03:03) > he's inclined to sort of try to agree with people at random and try to present himself as making far more rational conclusions than he's capable of
(13:03:20) < yeah
(13:03:25) < so he's clearly ethical; understandable
(13:03:34) < i wouldn't for a second think he was logical
(13:03:40) > well i say he's clearly Fe from that sort of thing
(13:03:47) < right
(13:03:48) > just as far as
(13:04:00) > i think he's really similar to dbmmama in a number of ways
(13:04:22) > he very very closely plays the part of peacemaker
(13:04:28) > he initially tried to not do this
(13:04:34) > with smccosker motivating his behavior
(13:04:42) > and he ended up sort of
(13:04:47) > feeling terrible about himself
(13:04:54) > for having precipitated a great deal of conflict
(13:05:02) < he didn't get on with smc him after a while
(13:05:04) > which is obviously much more appropriate-sounding to ESE
(13:05:08) > i know
(13:05:10) > and this is why
(13:05:23) > but juju now has sort of
(13:05:28) > stepped back from the sort of
(13:05:44) > high horse of claiming he's right and everyone else is wrong
(13:06:13) > which he was only motivated to do when he was dealing with a Ti type (his benefactor, in fact)
(13:06:22) > and now he tries to paint himself as
(13:06:40) > "i listen to everybody and appreciate everybody's feedback, and i want to hear from all of you so i can learn from you"
(13:06:51) < come to think of it, i can draw certain parallels with cracka
(13:06:52) > which certainly is reminiscent moreso of someone like dbmmama than
(13:07:01) > cracka is by far the easiest person to draw parallels with for him
(13:07:05) > but like
(13:07:15) > the way he tries to get lots of new input is sort of
(13:07:22) > very very different from the way that some EIEs might operate
(13:07:31) > even "sane" EIEs like unefille are sort of
(13:07:35) > far more discriminatory
(13:07:37) > i think
(13:07:51) > compare him to the other end of not-so-sane EIEs
(13:07:56) > such as jadae or bulletsanddoves
(13:08:03) > and you have night and day
(13:08:21) > and i suppose importantly when he says
(13:08:27) > "i'm objective... i want your feedback"
(13:08:39) > my immediate, subjective reaction is "yeah right. go back to your sandbox."
(13:08:48) > like it's really clear to me that
(13:09:00) > that's not even remotely his game
(13:09:33) > he's just really totally clueless
(13:09:53) > and whether he believes something is not a function of whether it's sane so much as
(13:09:59) > he needs something to believe
(13:10:03) > something concrete
(13:10:07) > and he'll take anything