Determine type

[Rocky]

WTF?

[snegledmaca]

OMFG it's the twilight zone. *queue the creepy music*

[Cone]

snegledmaca, you are the embodiment of what tcaudilllg would call a "harmonic" type. With that in mind, I'd say you are either IxTp or IxFp.

[snegledmaca]

Would that explain why I do not seem to posses a conflicting relation?
Or a dual for that matter?

[Cone]

Possibly. The fact is that you must have a bias in order to piss someone off or agree with you.

[snegledmaca]

Now the second question, how and why is that so?

[Cone]

A "harmonic" type is someone who carries no definitive objective/subjective bias on the N/S axis. So the case is that you follow everyone in their endeavors, thus your conflictor has nothing against you and your dual has nothing to worship. Cross-types are all about psychological absence.

I think you might be IxTp. The "writing" thing reminds me much of myself. But seriously, I would give tcaudilllg a ring if you want any more information.

[snegledmaca]

Who's tcaudilllg? Is he an authority on the matter?

[Angel von Himmel]

Who's tcaudilllg? Is he an authority on the matter?

He is an INTj who posts here and supposedly knows alot about Jung. I've tried reading his post, but he seems to write in ways that appear like he is dawdling around with things and concepts in odd ways that I have a hard time following. Although, other people might have a easier time getting what he tries to communicate.

[snegledmaca]

I've seen him. I thought he was some kind of a specialist the way Cone wanted to ring him up.

What would your stance be on borderline types?

[Angel von Himmel]

I've seen him. I thought he was some kind of a specialist the way Cone wanted to ring him up.

What would your stance be on borderline types?

I could be wrong, but I theoretically see no room in socionics theory for borderline types. I think it is actually a cheap way to go, to be honest ...

[snegledmaca]

I could be wrong, but I theoretically see no room in socionics theory for borderline types. I think it is actually a cheap way to go, to be honest ...

Well, how would you explain my situation?

[Angel von Himmel]

I could be wrong, but I theoretically see no room in socionics theory for borderline types. I think it is actually a cheap way to go, to be honest ...

Well, how would you explain my situation?

Well, I do not think you are a borderline type if you want to go strictly by socionics theory, but I do think you are some type.

I think that if you really want to figure out your correct type, no matter what type you are it will take time, experimentation, and a commitment to actually learning what it is the functions do and how "model-a" and the "socionic model of the psyche" are structured. To be honest, no matter how many test you take or how many people you consult, there really is not correct or guaranteed way of truly finding your own type short of actually understanding the theory behind socionics. Ignorance will only cause vanity, and there are no shortcuts, either. Consider that ...

[snegledmaca]

The problem with me is that I am often too lazy to do stuff and rely completely on my intuition to guide my decision making process. Intuition as in future predictions. Accurate future predictions.

[Angel von Himmel]

The problem with me is that I am often too lazy to do stuff and rely completely on my intuition to guide my decision making process. Intuition as in future predictions. Accurate future predictions.

That sounds INFp, but you need to decide that for yourself ...

Do you think you are more abstract or concrete?

[FDG]

If she gets along well with an ENTj male, she migt very well be INFp.

[Catholic Schoolboy]

God, I ignored this thread until now. Snegledmaca, you have to be INTp or I am whatever type you are. What you wrote sounds almost exactly like me, kind of creepy really.

[Expat]

Sycophant, are you sure?

Yet I can never fully present my thoughts because there always sees to be something lost in the translation or my expression hasn’t cover everything or has covered too much and so on. Only time I get my thoughts through is with people who think like me. You could say one has to think like me in order to understand me.

Or the bit about checking and double-checking everything before writing. That sounds like very weak to me.

[Catholic Schoolboy]

I don’t do that, and it shows. I’m sure. But I am really anal about how things look. I get very embarrassed if I make simple mistakes, especially if they are pointed out.

I think the part that I can relate to the most is the extreme self control thing. I'm quite confident that I could saw my leg off with a pocket knife if I needed to. :wink: Another thing is this: “None of my inner beliefs are ever exposed.” I shield my beliefs because I hold them sacred, if you will and I don’t want anyone to try and change them or to be critical of them.

Keeping in mind that I have not slept in two days there is a good chance that none of this will make sense to me if I read it when I wake. My mind goes fuzzy.


Expat, I fucking like you. You didn't jump on me for being stupid and concrete, thanks.

[snegledmaca]

If she gets along well with an ENTj male, she migt very well be INFp.

Uh-um, that's a he.

God, I ignored this thread until now. Snegledmaca, you have to be INTp or I am whatever type you are. Confused What you wrote sounds almost exactly like me, kind of creepy really.

I know exactly what you mean by "It's kinda creepy" and totally identifying.

Being INTp would explain why I seem to like the ENTj decisiveness, stability and common sense + their logic, or in other words, their style.

Sycophant, are you sure?

Yet I can never fully present my thoughts because there always sees to be something lost in the translation or my expression hasn’t cover everything or has covered too much and so on. Only time I get my thoughts through is with people who think like me. You could say one has to think like me in order to understand me.

Or the bit about checking and double-checking everything before writing. That sounds like very weak to me.

I double and triple check everything because I think I have dyslexia and dyscalculia. I always, ALWAYS make mistakes and I cannot control that consciously. I doesn't matter how hard I try anymore. Even after I check everything several times I manage to make mistakes. And I can't let it go because I strive for perfection of expression.
This is especially a problem in school with math where 10% - 45% of a test is gone due to this. I haven't had a "5" in years, even though I'm more then capable.

[snegledmaca]

The problem with me is that I am often too lazy to do stuff and rely completely on my intuition to guide my decision making process. Intuition as in future predictions. Accurate future predictions.

That sounds INFp, but you need to decide that for yourself ...

Do you think you are more abstract or concrete?

I want to define what I mean by intuition.
I mean intuition as in predicting the future. Example, yesterday I was supposed to meet some friends at 8 o'clock at a designated location. I was there on time as usual. As I waited I felt a pull on me. From a direction a little left of me. I tried to stay there because my reason told me they could come at any second and if a go I will miss them. But as always I went. I started walking. Eventually I ended up in front of a café where some other people I know we in. So I went in. There I found out that those other friends from before were supposed to meet these ones. But those from before didn't know where these ones were. So they sent me to get those from before, who I found just about to go in the wrong direction.
I knew that if I go there thing will be better then staying where I was.
That is what I mean by intuition. The same thing can be applied for every single action I take. I never, EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do something contrary to my intuition.
From what I understand this is not the intuition socionics describes and one could very well have a and posses this.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Oh and my intuition is never wrong.

As for abstract or concrete, how would I know? I feel that thinking about stuff is not concrete nor is thinking about theories abstract. Please define.

[Expat]

Ok, I had not gotten the bit about dyslexia so that nullifies the argument.

The intuition you describe is not intuition in the socionics sense directly, it seems to be a claim to being psychic.

rmcnew wrote:

An dominant person will think about how the car relates to them in terms of quality, with consideration to what parts it was made out of and how long the car will function without needing to be worked on. This might even include a consideration to the cost of gas milage and the cost of parts if it needed to be fixed or even the perceive quality of the workmanship of the company that made the car. Essentially, considerations are always abstract and in the past or future. Things that are familiar and can be considered trustworthy.

An dominant person will think about how the car relates to them in terms of quality, with considerations to other cars that have been driven by the person and how they are similar and dissimilar. Usually, an dominant person will want a car that has a personal familiarity, and could reproduce within him or her old experiences that have been shared and cherished with another car. They might want a car that has a beeping horn like another car or one that steers similarly, or has a similar body shape that he or she enjoyed. Essentially, consideration are always concrete and in the past or future. Things that are familiar and can reproduce cherished experiences.

That is what is meant by intuition in socionics.


snegledmaca wrote:

I cannot write, discuss insufficient, undefined stuff so I never get into a discussion of opinions. But on the other hand, I cannot tolerate something being undefined, imprecise so I always get into a discussion of definition. This way I discuss absolutes with no personal involvement in a discussion. Sole goal is to refine thoughts, definitions.

Doesn't sound INTp to me.

snegledmaca wrote:

I never have no problems with people and they generally adore me and my *charming* personality (Which is an illusion). Like-minded individuals are scarce and the ones I find are inaccessible. Individuals I like are mystified to an unrealistic ideal which I cherish. When the image is broken the individual loses all of my admiration and ceases to exist as an equal. This will inevitably happen, being that I am superior to others. It’s only a matter of time. Then I have no use for them and break friendships while never looking back or thinking twice about it.

Honestly speaking, this part repelled me considerably. This is a statement of fact.

This is so subjective that it seems like , but perhaps as 8th function. A manifestation of your own personal ethics.

snegledmaca wrote:

I observe and adapt to my surroundings to be accepted. I stand out by being different and am a very ‘special’,’ goofy’, 'weird', 'fun' person. This, off course, merely being just a lie to have them accept me and perceive me as not a threat so I could have a peaceful environment.

This is very IXFp, I'd say.

[snegledmaca]

The intuition you describe is not intuition in the socionics sense directly, it seems to be a claim to being psychic.

I do not "claim" anything ...

I never have no problems with people and they generally adore me and my *charming* personality (Which is an illusion). Like-minded individuals are scarce and the ones I find are inaccessible. Individuals I like are mystified to an unrealistic ideal which I cherish. When the image is broken the individual loses all of my admiration and ceases to exist as an equal. This will inevitably happen, being that I am superior to others. It’s only a matter of time. Then I have no use for them and break friendships while never looking back or thinking twice about it.

Honestly speaking, this part repelled me considerably.

Yes, well, let's just say I'm not proud of that but it's true. Very true.
Of course, nobody knows that I have no loyalty.

An dominant person will think about how the car relates to them in terms of quality, with consideration to what parts it was made out of and how long the car will function without needing to be worked on. This might even include a consideration to the cost of gas milage and the cost of parts if it needed to be fixed or even the perceive quality of the workmanship of the company that made the car. Essentially, considerations are always abstract and in the past or future. Things that are familiar and can be considered trustworthy.


An dominant person will think about how the car relates to them in terms of quality, with considerations to other cars that have been driven by the person and how they are similar and dissimilar. Usually, an Introverted Sensing dominant person will want a car that has a personal familiarity, and could reproduce within him or her old experiences that have been shared and cherished with another car. They might want a car that has a beeping horn like another car or one that steers similarly, or has a similar body shape that he or she enjoyed. Essentially, consideration are always concrete and in the past or future. Things that are familiar and can reproduce cherished experiences.

That is what is meant by intuition in socionics.

I would like to say but I honestly cannot be the judge of that. When buying a car I would incorporate all the elements. Then I would search for those elements. I would also set priorities. Then I would choose the one who best meets the requirements.

I cannot write, discuss insufficient, undefined stuff so I never get into a discussion of opinions. But on the other hand, I cannot tolerate something being undefined, imprecise so I always get into a discussion of definition. This way I discuss absolutes with no personal involvement in a discussion. Sole goal is to refine thoughts, definitions.

Doesn't sound INTp to me.

So what about Sycophant? She claims to be INTp and to be my type.
But perhaps she is merely identifying with certain aspect of my personality rather then being my personality.

[Expat]

I do not "claim" anything ...

You do.

You said that you meant intuition as in "predicting the future". You also said that your intuition is "never wrong". Therefore, you say you are never wrong in predicting the future. Which is the same as a "claim", isn't it?

So what about Sycophant? She claims to be INTp and to be my type.
But perhaps she is merely identifying with certain aspect of my personality rather then being my personality.

I can't speak for her, IMO she was identifying with a few aspects of your personality.

But she certainly has no problems about getting into a discussion of opinions. She has obvious .

[Expat]

Expat, I fucking like you.

[Park]

Since you're very well aware of your , wouldn't ESFj be an option to consider? But then, Ni should be your PoLR and this could only work if you 're currently depressed and are intentionally emphasising it . Also, Something tells me that Te might not be your PoLR...

I cannot write, discuss insufficient, undefined stuff so I never get into a discussion of opinions. But on the other hand, I cannot tolerate something being undefined, imprecise so I always get into a discussion of definition. This way I discuss absolutes with no personal involvement in a discussion. Sole goal is to refine thoughts, definitions.

Te role??? (Or am I just bullshiting )

[snegledmaca]

Since you're very well aware of your , wouldn't ESFj be an option to consider?

Hmmm, my mother is an ESFj and we are not the same personality. I seem to be much more logical then her and tend to criticize her for that. I view her as prejudice trigger happy. She too quickly forms opinions about other people based on assumptions. I can be a bastard with that sometimes trying to teach her how to behave and to show her the errors of her ways. This only aggravates her. But in fact all I am trying to do is help her. She will never change no matter how much she tries. But I'll never stop telling her.

But then, Ni should be your PoLR and this could only work if you 're currently depressed and are intentionally emphasising it .

The tests were none done when I was depressed. Especially the last one.

Also, Something tells me that Te might not be your PoLR...

I cannot write, discuss insufficient, undefined stuff so I never get into a discussion of opinions. But on the other hand, I cannot tolerate something being undefined, imprecise so I always get into a discussion of definition. This way I discuss absolutes with no personal involvement in a discussion. Sole goal is to refine thoughts, definitions.

Te role??? (Or am I just bullshiting )

I don't know what conclusions can be drawn from that statement but I can tell you that they will be correct. That part is undisputable. Not even the least bit debatable.

[snegledmaca]

I do not "claim" anything ...

You do.

You said that you meant intuition as in "predicting the future". You also said that your intuition is "never wrong". Therefore, you say you are never wrong in predicting the future. Which is the same as a "claim", isn't it?

I do not claim that I breathe, blink or that my heart beats. I *do* breathe, blink and my heart *does* breath. I know this because I have evidence. The same thing is with my intuition. I have evidence that it exists. I *claim* nothing. I can prove everything.

[Creepy-]

Semantics....

(apologies in advance)

You can't prove anything because there are an infinite amount of variables to test any statement against. Things cannot be proved, only supported. You can, however, disprove statements.

(once again, sorry)

[Elizabeth]

Semantics....

(apologies in advance)

You can't prove anything because there are an infinite amount of variables to test any statement against. Things cannot be proved, only supported. You can, however, disprove statements.

(once again, sorry)

I was thinking something similar. For all the things you've described you can only say what happened is true because it is the path you took, if you had taken another path who is to say that things wouldn't have been fine. After all, you really don't know for sure that you would have died when you were 8, you just think you do and there is no way to prove it besides the fact that you had a feeling. You never took the chance to find out what would have happened. There's just no way to ever really know.

Anyway, this doesn't really matter in terms of identifying your type, I don't believe. Like others have said it isn't intuition as socionics defines intuition. If it's anything, it would have to be a special ability that more than likely has nothing to do with type. I guess there might be a possiblity (I really don't know, I'm still not all that great at this socionics stuff) that you're using some sort of sensing function that allows you to pick up on what's going on around you in your environment.

I'm not putting you down here, snegledmaca. I don't doubt that you get weird feelings. It's just that there are other ways to look at them. Since they're happening to you, you've chosen to define them the way you have. When people hear someone talk about this sort of thing, they get skeptical and look for other reasons behind it.