^You're mistyping people then. None of my activators, duals, or mirrors are at all like what you're describing, from my point of view. Calm down, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from, even if it seemingly contradicts my own experience.

The extratims can be very social, yes, but none of them ever seem to really care about anything other than whatever their own "world" is, even though that can intersect with current affairs. I have an ESE friend who is pretty much my portal into the happening stuff in the world around me, especially when it comes to MMOs, because he obviously keeps himself up to date in the world where I... really don't.

Look, just compare any ILE and any LSE. LSEs tend to be really tuned toward "social issues", doing right in the world, trying to change perceived injustices, etc, etc; Ryu is an example on this very board. ILEs OTOH are more like disconnected researchers. I have never really heard an ILE talk or show an orientation to anything other than what is personally relevant to them, either through being a part of their world directly, or just through curiosity. Those +/- definitions aren't kosher socionics either and are already suspect just based on the descriptions.

This pattern also supports SEIs being typically the "own drumbeat" types without making them the odd one out of Alpha quadra. SEIs are characteristically not a part of any kind of world other than their own, and they're one of the types that very typically makes their own world and their own life and lives that largely without any kind of interest in or influence from outside, especially especially especially "society".

You can't just use extremely logically flimsy "reasoning" and then claim that that's superior to reality, or more correct. That's not how it works.

I'm still allowing for the possibility that we're either miscommunicating or framing things different. From my P.O.V. the distinction between how Deltas actively criticise society and Alphas are basically running in a parallel universe to it is very clear.