Russell Brand

[Galen]

I'm so sensitive: I was feeling how mean that was and thinking coldly of the humor of saying it. Smh. sadness.

You should instead feel how great it is to have a friend who you can say such surface-level cruel things to in jest and know that he won't take serious offense from it.

[blackburry]

Okay. upon reading the quotes from the link Starfall posted...it does sound like EIE.

[Azure Flame]

he's a fuckin delta. why else would he dress like a hippy ass bitch?

[Beautiful sky]

SLI

[Nowisthetime]

As I said before: ILE. It's easier to see it in a video like this one where he is more serious:

His Ti is more visible now

[golden]

He's bouncy and random. Plus he has a perpetual pants problem. Clever, though.

[Raver]

As I said before: ILE. It's easier to see it in a video like this one where he is more serious:

His Ti is more visible now

Thanks for this. I just saw the entire video and got a good glimpse of his real personality and not the facade that is portrayed at his movies and comedic acts that mislead me into thinking he was an Se-SEE. I agree with the ILE typing after watching this video and I would say Ne-ILE 7w6 sx/so fits him best imo.

[OldPathWhiteClouds]

ENFp

[Jack Oliver Aaron]

I can see and appreciate why people think Russell Brand is ILE.

Nevertheless, now that we've taken a while to observe him proceed on his political mission, I can safely say that he's a very likely candidate for EIE.

Sure, he values . That is evident in his argumenation. Nevertheless, I would not say that he has strong . Although used reactively in debates, he never applies it in the advancement of his own ideals, preferring pure, overflowing . Compare this to the likes of Bill Maher, John Cleese and even myself whose rides above . Russell is a master of the persona, the facade of fame that he projects to the media. Indeed, I would say his main motivation in life is not the pursuit of interesting possibilities but the effect he has on the sentiments of others. It is clear that he is a passionate communicator with 4D . The emotion decorates his words even at the expense of coherence which is nothing like the firm communicators seen with LIEs and ILEs and their 4D .

I would also argue against IEI. Sure he has in the past portrayed a dreamy, go with the flow attitude but this can only be a persona in comparison to the proactive stance he is now taking, not even having to mention the sheer tirelessness with which he has always gone from one thing to the next. As Jeremy Paxman comments, he is going to burn himself out at some point. At the same time IEI is rarely so extreme in their behaviour as emotional effect is always creative to the long term vision .

[mclane]

delta NF

[somavision]

I can see and appreciate why people think Russell Brand is ILE.

Nevertheless, now that we've taken a while to observe him proceed on his political mission, I can safely say that he's a very likely candidate for EIE.

Sure, he values . That is evident in his argumenation. Nevertheless, I would not say that he has strong . Although used reactively in debates, he never applies it in the advancement of his own ideals, preferring pure, overflowing . Compare this to the likes of Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, John Cleese and even myself whose rides above . Russell is a master of the persona, the facade of fame that he projects to the media. Indeed, I would say his main motivation in life is not the pursuit of interesting possibilities but the effect he has on the sentiments of others. It is clear that he is a passionate communicator with 4D . The emotion decorates his words even at the expense of coherence which is nothing like the firm communicators seen with LIEs and ILEs and their 4D .

I would also argue against IEI. Sure he has in the past portrayed a dreamy, go with the flow attitude but this can only be a persona in comparison to the proactive stance he is now taking, not even having to mention the sheer tirelessness with which he has always gone from one thing to the next. As Jeremy Paxman comments, he is going to burn himself out at some point. At the same time IEI is rarely so extreme in their behaviour as emotional effect is always creative to the long term vision .

His recent Paxman interview I think may support weak but valued Ti. He wants a revolution but does not seem to have the will or capability to describe how and to what. EIE seems likely to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGxFJ5nL9gg

[Jack Oliver Aaron]

His recent Paxman interview I think may support weak but valued Ti. He wants a revolution but does not seem to have the will or capability to describe how and to what. EIE seems likely to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGxFJ5nL9gg

Yes, this takes the EIE biscuit! I put this video up on a few places.

Jeremy Paxman - LIE methinks

[Soupman]

Yes, this takes the EIE biscuit! I put this video up on a few places.

Jeremy Paxman - LIE methinks

Which socionics model do you use might I ask?

[Jack Oliver Aaron]

Which socionics model do you use might I ask?

Model A.

[Oaky]

Every time he opens his mouth he makes me want to punch something.

[blackburry]

EIE.


I kind of like his views on certain things.

I want to shave his head in his sleep. he's hideous either way.

[Soupman]

Model A.

Gulenko hates it now and thinks that you guys have a flat view the personality, as referenced in his casual deterministic cognition article and his current attacks against those who discredit him as he sees.
What do you think of energomodel which has ILE functions as:

(EGO) NeTe
(PERSONA) SeFe
(ANIMA) SiFi
(ID) NiTi

[Jack Oliver Aaron]

Gulenko hates it now and thinks that you guys have a flat view the personality, as referenced in his casual deterministic cognition article and his current attacks against those who discredit him as he sees.
What do you think of energomodel which has ILE functions as:

(EGO) NeTe
(PERSONA) SeFe
(ANIMA) SiFi
(ID) NiTi

Gulenko types living room furniture. His Humanitarian school has diverged quite a bit from the Classical canon and I wouldn't look to him as an authority but a contributor. I find his writing on cognitive style interesting but suspicious, along with anything else that assumes the more iffy Reinin dichotomies (such as positive/negative) to be certain. Even Reinin himself didn't want his dichotomies to be taken so seriously.

I have not heard of this energo model, but it appears to be ranking IM Elements purely by dimensionality (strength) rather than by valuing which makes it lose a key feature of Socionics.

[Soupman]

Gulenko types living room furniture. His Humanitarian school has diverged quite a bit from the Classical canon and I wouldn't look to him as an authority but a contributor. I find his writing on cognitive style interesting but suspicious, along with anything else that assumes the more iffy Reinin dichotomies (such as positive/negative) to be certain. Even Reinin himself didn't want his dichotomies to be taken so seriously.

I have not heard of this energo model, but it appears to be ranking IM Elements purely by dimensionality (strength) rather than by valuing which makes it lose a key feature of Socionics.

Very interesting indeed, particularly I find the positive/negative dichotomy to be true though its generally presented wrongly and in reality very difficult to understand. I find that negativists have a fragmented construct in their understanding process where conclusions emerge from a disjointed premises. Whilst conversely positivists have a more holistic understanding process where conclusions emerge in a seeming ''harmony''.The way I've observed that for myself is through comparing kindred and business relations type pairs in real life, where the difference emerges since the same IEs are processed differently.

Personally I've been won over by the energomodel and similarly I've lost faith in quadra values, which I find inconsistent especially for me personally.

If you interested in scouring through them here are links to his teaching site
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...5Wc5oBEfKdu16A
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...Z0mpk0lZ2swWfQ
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...YMdujhH6-uTBTw
http://translate.google.com/translat...qKCUZdNDVRLf7w

[Jack Oliver Aaron]

Very interesting indeed, particularly I find the positive/negative dichotomy to be true though its generally presented wrongly and in reality very difficult to understand. I find that negativists have a fragmented construct in their understanding process where conclusions emerge from a disjointed premises. Whilst conversely positivists have a more holistic understanding process where conclusions emerge in a seeming ''harmony''.The way I've observed that for myself is through comparing kindred and business relations type pairs in real life, where the difference emerges since the same IEs are processed differently.

Personally I've been won over by the energomodel and similarly I've lost faith in quadra values, which I find inconsistent especially for me personally.

If you interested in scouring through them here are links to his teaching site
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...5Wc5oBEfKdu16A
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...Z0mpk0lZ2swWfQ
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...YMdujhH6-uTBTw
http://translate.google.com/translat...qKCUZdNDVRLf7w

Isn't that the Right/Left or Process/Result dichotomy?

[Soupman]

Isn't that the Right/Left or Process/Result dichotomy?

Good call, though no, I now realize that my understanding of the left and right dichotomy is slightly different from the one used by wikisocion. To explain it, instead I view the left and right dichotomy as the different styles of working with the big picture and details, simply put the difference there appears to be that LEFT types prefer to cycle through a lot of concepts (big pictures) before deciding to architect their understanding (cementing the details). Whilst conversely RIGHT types cycle the fundamentals of their architecture (the details) before conceptualizing their overall idea (cementing the big picture).

Now to add even more clarity both LEFT and RIGHT types are adept at cycling through concepts (big pictures) and architectures (details), however the key difference there is that they see those processes as secondary, like the creative function if you understand that example. RIGHT types will only focus on cycling through various concepts (big pictures) if they are easily available usually as a means of testing somebodies conclusions, ideas. Conversely LEFT types only focus on the architecture (details) if they are easily available and mutually they are used as a means of testing somebodies conclusions ideas.

By the way I've got these ideas from talking to socionics britannica who has various hypothesis he still working on with regarding reinin traits. He's still not published his theory or website, as he still feels it isn't finished. www.facebook.com/SocionicsBritannicaSchool

[Jack Oliver Aaron]

Good call, though no, I now realize that my understanding of the left and right dichotomy is slightly different from the one used by wikisocion. To explain it, instead I view the left and right dichotomy as the different styles of working with the big picture and details, simply put the difference there appears to be that LEFT types prefer to cycle through a lot of concepts (big pictures) before deciding to architect their understanding (cementing the details). Whilst conversely RIGHT types cycle the fundamentals of their architecture (the details) before conceptualizing their overall idea (cementing the big picture).

Now to add even more clarity both LEFT and RIGHT types are adept at cycling through concepts (big pictures) and architectures (details), however the key difference there is that they see those processes as secondary, like the creative function if you understand that example. RIGHT types will only focus on cycling through various concepts (big pictures) if they are easily available usually as a means of testing somebodies conclusions, ideas. Conversely LEFT types only focus on the architecture (details) if they are easily available and mutually they are used as a means of testing somebodies conclusions ideas.

By the way I've got these ideas from talking to socionics britannica who have various hypothesis he still working on with regarding reinin traits. He's still not published his theory or website, as he still feels it isn't finished. www.facebook.com/SocionicsBritannicaSchool

I'll check him out.

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

how can russell be same type as charlize theron?

[Not A Communist Shill]

eie

[Radio]

how can russell be same type as charlize theron?

^ this

EIEs are generally prim and proper and not a complete trashy mess like this dude.

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

maybe ENTjs can be sloppier because of democracy? Also, he looks like Sasha Baron =>

[Not A Communist Shill]

It is not uncommon for someone to wear lavish clothes and have the hair of horses and wear buckets of cologne and yet generally be unclean.

If an individual is extroverted and everything about him seems black and purple, he is likely to be an EIE.

Also, I find it difficult to like him at all considering how nasty an individual he was in regards his divorce

[Iris]

^ this

EIEs are generally prim and proper and not a complete trashy mess like this dude.

Si polr makes me very anxious about my appearance, so I dress in a way to avoid criticism or judgement. I avoid extremes in fashion because I don't really want to draw attention to my body. I want my appearance to be pleasing but not to distract from my message.

I didn't want to watch the video because he is so scary looking. But I did, and I think he is way more logical than me. The logical points flow easily in his speech and he barely notices his audience. When I speak, I am always looking around a bit to gauge the reaction of my audience so I can maximize my connection with them. He doesn't do that at all. He even says something really funny and self revealing at one point and just keeps barging ahead with the rest of his point with no pause. He speaks with feeling and his face is animated, but his message is delivered in a completely logical way with absolutely no effort to manipulate the atmosphere with Fe.

He is ILE.

[golden]

I know, and know of, EIE-Fe males who are a bit like him, with a lot of nervous energy and a way with words. However, they are elegant men, with the possible exception of one who is a former rock star. And I don't know any EIEs who would walk into a situation like that formal hearing shown in the upthread video without scrubbing up in order to be taken more seriously and to show respect as well.

Brand regularly rubs people the wrong way, and doesn't always seem well in control of that quality. He tends to misjudge social situations. I think it is genuine misjudging, not him grandstanding or making a point or a bid for attention.

The recent Hugo Boss debacle is a good example of how wrong he can get things. This is a brief summing up of what he did:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/p...nazis/2773825/

And this is Brand describing in his own words his side of the minor scandal, showing both how amazingly circuitous his thinking is, and how little he understood the social scenario ("I realised that for some people this was regarded as an event with import"--duh):

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...s-op-ed-629416

Any "type" might choose to take aim at Hugo Boss's WWII-era doings, but the way Russell Brand did it was remarkably clumsy and ill-thought-through.

Also, in the following audition video, I see that his particular genius lies in mining the random:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6invJFx6j0

It's simply not linear behavior, and even if we want to make allowances for the fact that he's a comic and has developed both a backlog of material and a talent for improv, I don't see how he can be a rational type. I also think democratic > aristocratic, and he seems to act along the infantile / caregiver dimension. For these and other reasons, I believe the best guess in this thread is ILE.

[lemontrees]

I just wanted to put in that I've always found Russell Brand extremely attractive. He seems really smart, engaging, widely knowledgeable, and charming (albeit probably difficult to be around for long periods of time.) Those outfits are a bit scary...

Give me some hot supervision sex lol.

EDIT:

“It's difficult to believe in yourself because the idea of self is an artificial construction. You are, in fact, part of the glorious oneness of the universe. Everything beautiful in the world is within you. No one really feels self-confident deep down because it's an artificial idea. Really, people aren't that worried about what you're doing or what you're saying, so you can drift around the world relatively anonymously: you must not feel persecuted and examined. Liberate yourself from that idea that people are watching you.”
― Russell Brand

Aw

[DirectorAbbie]

Disclaimer: I actually have no idea who this guy is.

[Kalinoche buenanoche]

lol DA did u just make these??
they are godawesome

[IBTL]

“It's difficult to believe in yourself because the idea of self is an artificial construction. You are, in fact, part of the glorious oneness of the universe. Everything beautiful in the world is within you. No one really feels self-confident deep down because it's an artificial idea. Really, people aren't that worried about what you're doing or what you're saying, so you can drift around the world relatively anonymously: you must not feel persecuted and examined. LIBERATE yourself from that idea that people are watching you.”
― Russell Brand

Aw

Now that's how an INFj = EII as the activity partner would try to convince an ISTp = SLI to stop worrying!

"The Craftsman" = ISTp = SLI (Si-Te)
"The Psychologist" = ENFp = IEE (Ne-Fi)

Everyday chores are usually undertaken by The Craftsman, who believes he can do them better. The Psychologist takes initiative in relations, can unite people around himself, and becomes the 'life of the party'. He gains people's favor, willingly advises on solving personal problems. He is a subtle psychologist, who understands well hidden motives of people. He emotionally demonstrates his attitude towards people; his sincerity, warmth and ingenuousness make others forgive his excessive straightforwardness and hot temper. He corrects The Craftsman's ethical mistakes, and often even his own, since he is not rancorous and likes people very much. His trustfulness disarms the incredulous Craftsman, and emotionality softens his more cold-tempered and reserved partner.

[suedehead]

Interview with an SLE.

[IBTL]

And "who" does Miley Cyrus (SLI) indirectly bring up when trying to "teach" Katy Perry (SEE) an erotic "lesson"? ---> Russell Brand!... therefore this "news" and its "identical agenda" in terms of the "news" reporter are NOT IEE, because Miley's IEE "Reporter" AND "duality partner" would actually "know" AND "provide" to her as her SLI duality partner "Who is who?"...!!!









Oh, and Miley gets a spanking only if she wants one, because Miley is a GOOD girl, too!


As a "teacher", Miley is in "white"...

[DirectorAbbie]

lol DA did u just make these??

No, but I know who did.

[silke]

ILE-Ne sx/so 9w8

watching his interviews with Chelsea Handler (SLE) it looked a lot like a "childlike" vs "aggressor" type interaction:

[Amber]

how can russell be same type as charlize theron?

except for some aggressiveness (albeit a repelling one) and hostility (man!) I could correlate with Se HA, there's nothing I can qualify as EIE in this dude. True I haven't read any quotes and blah of his. And I never will, mea cupla, confined to typing by hunch only. Anyway he looks like a Logical type to me.

[Amber]

oooook. Enough fucked-up Ne for me : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z2JvXN2_GI

[darya]

Ne-ILE 7w8 sx/so

Edit: Actually, 7w6 fits better. Yeah, that will be correct