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    Something that has always intrigued me and befuddles me is the process by which a loophole can be found in a rule or law or something similar.

    What I mean by that is, it's sort of a mystery to me how this is accomplished. I've found myself countless times looking at a rule or law and just seeing it for what it is and what it covers. Whenever someone then says "Hey! The rule doesn't say you can't do this!", I usually can see what it is that they're saying, but I wouldn't have been able to come up with it myself. It's always been a blind spot and it's something that I've never been able to do (not that I'd want to exploit things in such ways) even if I "tried".

    So, this is not a question of the propensity of a person to use loopholes, nor is it a question of trying to show me how people find loopholes, nor is this an ethical statement about finding loopholes. I'm not interested in knowing how it's done to use it for my own benefit. Rather, I'm just rather curious as to what is it socionically that is done that allows a person to see these openings in structures.
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    IDK, it usually just seems obvious to me. Maybe I start by thinking with my goal in mind, rather than the rule in mind, then I think about the rule in specific regards to how I can accomplish my goal, rather than starting with the rule in mind then thinking about the goal with the rule already accepted. It's easier for me to alter the rule than my goal

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    That's really interesting.

    I find it extremely difficult to have any goal in mind without it being inextricably linked to the rule. Without the rule, my goals are sort of... it's like a fog almost with no sense of direction. I have a difficult time formulating concrete goals without seeing some sort of guideline as to how to accomplish it first.
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    Actually, what I said isn't entirely true.

    I can have a vision for what I want to accomplish if it's, say, a project I want to work on. But usually what I want to accomplish isn't necessarily dictated by a rule or law. Like if I want to make a video blog or I want to design a website, I can sort of visualize the end product and the means by which I can accomplish this. But I'm not bound by rules or laws by undertaking such endeavors, but I have an idea of how I want to accomplish these tasks.

    I guess what I mean is, is within this context of loopholes, I can't really think of goals that I have that would be related to well-established rules or laws.

    I can't even think of any loopholes where this might be applicable in my life.

    But I'm trying to convey this image that within the context of a structure or rule or whatever, I find it difficult to think outside of the box, instead most of my thinking is done within the parameters of the structure when visualizing what I want to do or can do. Without the structure in these circumstances, the goal is not well-established enough in my mind to do anything useful.
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    Consider a strategy to acheive your goal. Now test this strategy against the rules that are in place. Do the rules prohibit all aspects of the strategy? Find the part of the strategy that is not explicitly prohibited, and you have found the loophole you've been searching for. Now build a strategy around this loophole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Consider a strategy to acheive your goal. Now test this strategy against the rules that are in place. Do the rules prohibit all aspects of the strategy? Find the part of the strategy that is not explicitly prohibited, and you have found the loophole you've been searching for. Now build a strategy around this loophole.
    This of course assumes that the strategy is sound enough in order to bring to light those aspects that are not prohibited by the rules. I can't make that assumption.

    I might have a plan in place to accomplish something. But as soon as I see a roadblock to accomplish it, I trash it and redo it to work within the context of the rules.

    Edit: I'd be lying if I said I've never used a loophole before (loopholes that were already discovered), but I guess there have been other instances where if I have a plan to do something, but already am aware of the loophole then take that avenue to accomplish it.

    But that's not what this thread is about. Again, in circumstances where I know of no loophole, it's still a bit of a mystery how people actually find them. Because, again, if I come across a roadblock with a strategy in place I'm trying to use, I modify my strategy, not the structures that cause the roadblock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BurntOrange View Post
    IDK, it usually just seems obvious to me. Maybe I start by thinking with my goal in mind, rather than the rule in mind, then I think about the rule in specific regards to how I can accomplish my goal, rather than starting with the rule in mind then thinking about the goal with the rule already accepted. It's easier for me to alter the rule than my goal
    I do exactly the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamangir View Post
    yeah, it doesn't seem that hard to think of a loophole in a law. When I hear a law that is a bit stupid or affects me in some way, I immediately think of ways that the rule could be bent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tereg View Post
    Something that has always intrigued me and befuddles me is the process by which a loophole can be found in a rule or law or something similar.

    What I mean by that is, it's sort of a mystery to me how this is accomplished. I've found myself countless times looking at a rule or law and just seeing it for what it is and what it covers. Whenever someone then says "Hey! The rule doesn't say you can't do this!", I usually can see what it is that they're saying, but I wouldn't have been able to come up with it myself. It's always been a blind spot and it's something that I've never been able to do (not that I'd want to exploit things in such ways) even if I "tried".

    So, this is not a question of the propensity of a person to use loopholes, nor is it a question of trying to show me how people find loopholes, nor is this an ethical statement about finding loopholes. I'm not interested in knowing how it's done to use it for my own benefit. Rather, I'm just rather curious as to what is it socionically that is done that allows a person to see these openings in structures.
    i'm not sure socionically. my hubby does this very, very easily. very naturally.

    edit: kinda george castanza or kramer like....

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    I guess the same thing goes for when a rule or law is established and another person says "This rule is stupid! You could just go around it by doing _____. What were they thinking when they made this rule?" Same sort of thing. Whenever a new rule or law is established, I just sort of accept it at face value. It's only when somebody else points out its flaws or holes that I then become aware of why it is so.
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