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    idk, but I know I wouldn't cheat. That would be something I just could never bring myself to do.
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    I know what you want to hear: it's ISTjs (c:
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    Quote Originally Posted by PotatoSpirit View Post
    I know what you want to hear: it's ISTjs (c:
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    Quote Originally Posted by PotatoSpirit View Post
    I know what you want to hear: it's ISTjs (c:
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    Tentatively, I would say IJs.
    More tentantively, by modus tollens, I would say negativist IJs.
    Even more tentatively, I would say negativist IJs NT (merely due to the fact that a double-socially-closed functional preference will, ceteris paribus, resul in lower chances).
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    IEE. nuff said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PotatoSpirit View Post
    I know what you want to hear: it's ISTjs (c:
    ISTj gets my vote, tho Infj, and isfj is there also.
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    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Maybe ISFj and INFj? I think leading Fi makes someone really hold onto relationships. Also, the ISFjs and INFjs have been faithful and tried to hold onto relationships even when they've been treated terribly and there was no good reason for it.
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    LII, because it is so rare that they actually have a significant other (or any meaningful relationship) that they loyally (and desperately) cling to what little relations they have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    LII, because it is so rare that they actually have a significant other (or any meaningful relationship) that they loyally (and desperately) cling to what little relations they have.
    Aww, that's so sad. It makes me want to hug you and love you and keep you forever.

    On the other hand, I say this now, but when I actually experience clingy LIIs IRL (and it happens a lot, I attract them like a plague...) they scare me away. Augh, dependency, they often end up like puppies: all attentive and devoted to you and wanting all your time. I kind of hiss and claw my way up the curtains to try and escape them. I mean, you're fun to play with, but a girl's got to have her own life!

    I guess that's why you need ESEs to cheerfully accept you and decide what's going to happen at any given time.

    ESE: "We're doing this!"
    LII: "Yeah, let's do it."

    ILE: "Want to play video games?"
    LII: "Sure, if that's what you want to do."
    ILE: "...No, I'm asking you what you want to do."
    LII: "Well I don't know, what do you want?"
    ILE: "I don't know, that's why I'm tossing out suggestions!"
    LII: "Well I don't know either."
    ILE: "I'm the one throwing out ideas, can't you just pick your favourite??"
    LII: "No, it doesn't really matter to me. I'm just cool with hanging out."
    ILE: "Well I want to do something, but I don't want to choose. I'm the ideas person, you're the choosing person."
    LII: "Are we competing for who can be the most indecisive? I'm going to win."
    ILE: "Screw that, I'm leaving. I have better things to do with my time."
    LII: "No, wait! Let's play video games."
    ILE: "Ok, what are we going to play."
    LII: "You have to choose, I chose video games."
    ILE: "Man, seriously. You're the one who wanted to hang out tonight..."
    LII: "I just want you to pick one!"
    ILE: "Fine, I'm picking this one."
    LII: "Haha, sweet, I wanted to play that one."
    ILE: "WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY SO??"
    LII: "Well I didn't want to force you to play what I wanted. I'm happy doing whatever you want to do *smiles*
    ILE: *wants to vomit all over herself but doesn't say so*/*wonders what happened to the competitive, snarky, and witty LII*

    This may not be true of all LIIs, but I can think of at least three of my acquaintance who do this.
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    Well I want to do something, but I don't want to choose
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    Well, I like it to be a surprise...*pouts*

    Anyways, I'm a loyal person...kind of. Loyal in so much as I'm loyal as long as I care, which is sometimes not very long. I'm extremely fickle. But I'm not disloyal. Like, I don't betray people's trust (at least not intentionally).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    ESE: "We're doing this!"
    LII: "Yeah, let's do it."

    ILE: "Want to play video games?"
    LII: "Sure, if that's what you want to do."
    ILE: "...No, I'm asking you what you want to do."
    LII: "Well I don't know, what do you want?"
    ILE: "I don't know, that's why I'm tossing out suggestions!"
    LII: "Well I don't know either."
    ILE: "I'm the one throwing out ideas, can't you just pick your favourite??"
    LII: "No, it doesn't really matter to me. I'm just cool with hanging out."
    ILE: "Well I want to do something, but I don't want to choose. I'm the ideas person, you're the choosing person."
    LII: "Are we competing for who can be the most indecisive? I'm going to win."
    ILE: "Screw that, I'm leaving. I have better things to do with my time."
    LII: "No, wait! Let's play video games."
    ILE: "Ok, what are we going to play."
    LII: "You have to choose, I chose video games."
    ILE: "Man, seriously. You're the one who wanted to hang out tonight..."
    LII: "I just want you to pick one!"
    ILE: "Fine, I'm picking this one."
    LII: "Haha, sweet, I wanted to play that one."
    ILE: "WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY SO??"
    LII: "Well I didn't want to force you to play what I wanted. I'm happy doing whatever you want to do *smiles*
    ILE: *wants to vomit all over herself but doesn't say so*/*wonders what happened to the competitive, snarky, and witty LII*

    This may not be true of all LIIs, but I can think of at least three of my acquaintance who do this.
    Sounds like me.

    Honestly, most of the time I simply do not care. It is generally not the video games or the activity itself that I find worthwhile, but the company. And I would prefer the people who actually care to decide the activity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    Honestly, most of the time I simply do not care. It is generally not the video games or the activity itself that I find worthwhile, but the company. And I would prefer the people who actually care to decide the activity.
    Quote Originally Posted by me
    ILE: "Want to play video games?"
    LII: "Sure, if that's what you want to do."
    ILE: "...No, I'm asking you what you want to do."
    LII: "Well I don't know, what do you want?"
    ILE: "I don't know, that's why I'm tossing out suggestions!"
    LII: "Well I don't know either."
    ILE: "I'm the one throwing out ideas, can't you just pick your favourite??"
    LII: "No, it doesn't really matter to me. I'm just cool with hanging out."
    ILE: "Well I want to do something, but I don't want to choose. I'm the ideas person, you're the choosing person."
    LII: "Are we competing for who can be the most indecisive? I'm going to win."
    ILE: "Screw that, I'm leaving. I have better things to do with my time."
    LII: "No, wait! Let's play video games."

    ILE: "Ok, what are we going to play."
    LII: "You have to choose, I chose video games."
    ILE: "Man, seriously. You're the one who wanted to hang out tonight..."
    LII: "I just want you to pick one!"

    ILE: "Fine, I'm picking this one."
    LII: "Haha, sweet, I wanted to play that one."
    ILE: "WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY SO??"
    LII: "Well I didn't want to force you to play what I wanted. I'm happy doing whatever you want to do *smiles*
    ILE: *wants to vomit all over herself but doesn't say so*/*wonders what happened to the competitive, snarky, and witty LII*
    Do I know LIIs or do I know LIIs? lol

    No, I really love hanging with my LII pals, but the above is a reoccurring problem. That and the idea of an intellectual, nerdy and eccentric ILE chick seems so novel and exhilarating to the LII males that they quickly latch onto me like a leech. Leeches freak me right out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    This may not be true of all LIIs, but I can think of at least three of my acquaintance who do this.
    Pretty much dead on about the LII I know. He's married to an ESE, and she gets SO frustrated with him for not "being the man and making the decisions".

    She's not so decisive herself either, just gets cranky if we don't go eat once she's hungry. I usually end up deciding where we go after giving some random choices which they approve but won't select.

    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    Honestly, most of the time I simply do not care. It is generally not the video games or the activity itself that I find worthwhile, but the company. And I would prefer the people who actually care to decide the activity.
    I feel the same way about company, but I don't want rampant indecision all of the time. I'm hoping for an opinionated SEI, lolz. At least give me an idea - "I want pasta." Then I can say "Okay based on speed, location and price, let's go to X."
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    Quote Originally Posted by diljs View Post
    Pretty much dead on about the LII I know. He's married to an ESE, and she gets SO frustrated with him for not "being the man and making the decisions".

    She's not so decisive herself either, just gets cranky if we don't go eat once she's hungry. I usually end up deciding where we go after giving some random choices which they approve but won't select.

    I feel the same way about company, but I don't want rampant indecision all of the time. I'm hoping for an opinionated SEI, lolz. At least give me an idea - "I want pasta." Then I can say "Okay based on speed, location and price, let's go to X."
    My ESE husband isn't very decisive either. And he gets major-league cranky when he's hungry. It's not pleasant.

    Good luck finding an opinionated SEI. I have yet to meet one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    Aww, that's so sad. It makes me want to hug you and love you and keep you forever.

    On the other hand, I say this now, but when I actually experience clingy LIIs IRL (and it happens a lot, I attract them like a plague...) they scare me away. Augh, dependency, they often end up like puppies: all attentive and devoted to you and wanting all your time. I kind of hiss and claw my way up the curtains to try and escape them. I mean, you're fun to play with, but a girl's got to have her own life!

    I guess that's why you need ESEs to cheerfully accept you and decide what's going to happen at any given time.

    ESE: "We're doing this!"
    LII: "Yeah, let's do it."

    ILE: "Want to play video games?"
    LII: "Sure, if that's what you want to do."
    ILE: "...No, I'm asking you what you want to do."
    LII: "Well I don't know, what do you want?"
    ILE: "I don't know, that's why I'm tossing out suggestions!"
    LII: "Well I don't know either."
    ILE: "I'm the one throwing out ideas, can't you just pick your favourite??"
    LII: "No, it doesn't really matter to me. I'm just cool with hanging out."
    ILE: "Well I want to do something, but I don't want to choose. I'm the ideas person, you're the choosing person."
    LII: "Are we competing for who can be the most indecisive? I'm going to win."
    ILE: "Screw that, I'm leaving. I have better things to do with my time."
    LII: "No, wait! Let's play video games."
    ILE: "Ok, what are we going to play."
    LII: "You have to choose, I chose video games."
    ILE: "Man, seriously. You're the one who wanted to hang out tonight..."
    LII: "I just want you to pick one!"
    ILE: "Fine, I'm picking this one."
    LII: "Haha, sweet, I wanted to play that one."
    ILE: "WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY SO??"
    LII: "Well I didn't want to force you to play what I wanted. I'm happy doing whatever you want to do *smiles*
    ILE: *wants to vomit all over herself but doesn't say so*/*wonders what happened to the competitive, snarky, and witty LII*

    This may not be true of all LIIs, but I can think of at least three of my acquaintance who do this.
    LOL, that was perfect Vero. I'm pretty sure I've had that exact conversation before.

    Also this was a very good way of putting it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Vero
    Anyways, I'm a loyal person...kind of. Loyal in so much as I'm loyal as long as I care, which is sometimes not very long. I'm extremely fickle. But I'm not disloyal. Like, I don't betray people's trust (at least not intentionally).
    I was just going to say that I always intend to be loyal and always want to be loyal, but it doesn't always work out that way if the feelings aren't there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mn0good View Post
    Aww, that's so sad. It makes me want to hug you and love you and keep you forever.

    On the other hand, I say this now, but when I actually experience clingy LIIs IRL (and it happens a lot, I attract them like a plague...) they scare me away. Augh, dependency, they often end up like puppies: all attentive and devoted to you and wanting all your time. I kind of hiss and claw my way up the curtains to try and escape them. I mean, you're fun to play with, but a girl's got to have her own life!

    I guess that's why you need ESEs to cheerfully accept you and decide what's going to happen at any given time.

    ESE: "We're doing this!"
    LII: "Yeah, let's do it."

    ILE: "Want to play video games?"
    LII: "Sure, if that's what you want to do."
    ILE: "...No, I'm asking you what you want to do."
    LII: "Well I don't know, what do you want?"
    ILE: "I don't know, that's why I'm tossing out suggestions!"
    LII: "Well I don't know either."
    ILE: "I'm the one throwing out ideas, can't you just pick your favourite??"
    LII: "No, it doesn't really matter to me. I'm just cool with hanging out."
    ILE: "Well I want to do something, but I don't want to choose. I'm the ideas person, you're the choosing person."
    LII: "Are we competing for who can be the most indecisive? I'm going to win."
    ILE: "Screw that, I'm leaving. I have better things to do with my time."
    LII: "No, wait! Let's play video games."
    ILE: "Ok, what are we going to play."
    LII: "You have to choose, I chose video games."
    ILE: "Man, seriously. You're the one who wanted to hang out tonight..."
    LII: "I just want you to pick one!"
    ILE: "Fine, I'm picking this one."
    LII: "Haha, sweet, I wanted to play that one."
    ILE: "WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY SO??"
    LII: "Well I didn't want to force you to play what I wanted. I'm happy doing whatever you want to do *smiles*
    ILE: *wants to vomit all over herself but doesn't say so*/*wonders what happened to the competitive, snarky, and witty LII*

    This may not be true of all LIIs, but I can think of at least three of my acquaintance who do this.
    Hmm,

    What I read from that is:

    If you offer something like "Do you want to play video games?" it means that you want to play video games. And you're asking the other person if they're up for it.

    With some people if you suggest one thing to you, they'll suggest something else. Whereas others will just be hit or miss.

    If you're asking another person what they do, and they're struggling - it can help to dish out random suggestions to "spark" them. Or you can just give them a bit of time to become aware of what it is that they want.

    Or you can always just be like "you're okay with anything then". And check where they're at afterwards.

    You seem to struggle with these people though -

    I don't seem to run into that many problems. I mean, I can kind of relate in a distant way, but it's different.

    Some people, they'll seemingly want to do what you want to do, even though they don't want to do it - and then they'll pull out. And say that they didn't want to do it. And that you're "making" them do it.

    Also - if someone just comes up to you - and is like "do you want to play video games?" it can appears like they're trying to predict what is you want to do. So yeah, rebalance from there.

    I've actually met people, who seem to constantly want to know what I want. And it can be kind of frustrating. Like "do you want a coffee", "do you want a beer", "you want a beer", "you want something to eat" etc etc. And it can be kind of suffocating if overdone. Mind you I myself can do that kind of behaviour, sometimes in jest, knowing how annoying it can be.

    Sometimes I try to plot what people like, and don't like in groups. Otherwise I can feel like people are going to get overrun, by more dominant members in a group. And that I should stay aware of this possibility. And I hate it when people say that less dominant people don't matter, because they don't participate when more dominant members of a group are discussing things; cant add input etc easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana View Post
    yes. I also get serious and invested rather quickly when I've decided on a relationship, whereas some people never do at all.
    My ISFj brother does too. He met this ESTj woman right after he got divorced and I think he just moved way too quickly with her. I'm afraid his heart will be broken again.
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    So I would say IJs would be the most suitable answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    So I would say IJs would be the most suitable answer.
    Yes, I believe so.
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