ME

[Ezra]

This is how it is done

Ahhh, they were the good old days...

[strrrng]

lmao

[aka-kitsune]

All inclusive...

Jem, this is awesome. I fervently love and endorse every word of what you posted.

+100 for maturity.

[aka-kitsune]

I don't need to give reasons. My opinion pertains to this situation better. And yes, betas will reign supreme one day.

I declare unequovocably on the basis of this statement alone that I am seceding from the "Beta" quadra.

Henceforth, there shall be another quadra, composed of myself and anyone who wants out of strrrng's ******-based quadra values, so-called Betas who don't relate to the SLE overthrow fuck-it-all KILL KILL KILL mentality, IEIs who can't keep to a fitness regime to save their lives and any other Beta who feels oppressed by the Fascist regime.

I thus christen Omega quadra.

[strrrng]

Give me a fucking break, lol.

[aka-kitsune]

Give me a fucking break, lol.

You seem to be pretty adept at doing that for yourself without anyone's help.

What I've seen on this thread is only that you seem to be an extremely hostile and bitter individual who feels self-entitled to insult the intelligence of anyone who disagrees with his staunchly-held, though ostensibly mercurial opinions. Obviously, this stems from insecurity and a lack of self-confidence and maturity.

A few suggestions:

Might does not make right.
You are not entitled to debase people for disputing your absolute judgements.
Contrary to popular belief, pugilism is not a highly exalted virtue.
Your "way" is not the best, most obviously successful way.
The true measure of power is the ability to refrain from using it at every opportunity.
Using the word "fuck" in every sentence does not make you a tough guy; it makes you crude and unimaginative.
The world does not owe you anything.

And lastly, you have invoked Godwin's law, so all your arguments are entirely null and void: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

[strrrng]

You seem to be pretty adept at doing that for yourself without anyone's help.

What I've seen on this thread is only that you seem to be an extremely hostile and bitter individual who feels self-entitled to insult the intelligence of anyone who disagrees with his staunchly-held, though ostensibly mercurial opinions. Obviously, this stems from insecurity and a lack of self-confidence and maturity.

I had no intention of insulting Jem's intelligence. She was the one who brought that subject up, saying something like, "if you think this, you're stupider than I even thought".

A few suggestions:

Might does not make right. Never said so, but sometimes force is necessary.
You are not entitled to debase people for disputing your absolute judgements. I wasn't trying to debase her. If my undertone was hostile, fine, I accept that. But the argument was always my main focus.
Contrary to popular belief, pugilism is not a highly exalted virtue. pugilism isn't a virtue; it's a skill - one that is sometimes necessary, despite what all you high-and-mighty moralists might say about it. And also, boxing is an art, just like any other style, which takes patience and discipline to master. Fuck anyone who tries to undermine it.
Your "way" is not the best, most obviously successful way. I'm aware, but I'm still arrogant about it. Get over it.
The true measure of power is the ability to refrain from using it at every opportunity. Now isn't this cute? That bullshit belongs in a disney film. I go for victory at all costs; the ends are what matter to me. Call me callous, manipulative and fucked up - nicki boy doesn't care. In the end, you either win or lose; there is no "right" thing to do. Power is power; don't skew the context.
Using the word "fuck" in every sentence does not make you a tough guy; it makes you crude and unimaginative. hehe...how about you read my posts? My vocabulary is far from small, and I am secure enough in it to be able to say fuck frequently and not care if people judge me based on it.
The world does not owe you anything. Except admiration for my good looks

And lastly, you have invoked Godwin's law, so all your arguments are entirely null and void: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Fair point, although I only pasted the ****** picture to hyperbolize the difference in quadra values in a humorous way.

[Expat]

Fair point, although I only pasted the ****** picture to hyperbolize the difference in quadra values in a humorous way.

If there was any doubt of ****** being a Beta, this should remove it:

[IMG]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/a/aa/******_insults.gif[/IMG]

[strrrng]

ROFLMAO

[unefille]

What I've seen on this thread is only that you seem to be an extremely hostile and bitter individual who feels self-entitled to insult the intelligence of anyone who disagrees with his staunchly-held, though ostensibly mercurial opinions. Obviously, this stems from insecurity and a lack of self-confidence and maturity.

I don't think that's a fair assessment at all. The only conclusions that I can draw from this exchange is that Jem is more laid-back and Nick is more aggressive, but certainly not that Jem is more mature and that Nick is insecure and immature.

The context of the argument is very important. This is Nick's TYPE BLOG. The purpose of a type blog is only served if a person is honest about their values and their thoughts. Nick made a passing comment about his value clash with his father (which seems be along the Se/Si axis) which was not only a fair reflection of what he thinks, but also clearly served to draw out the differences between Nick's values and his father's values. He has explained the basis of these values, though he is certainly under no obligation to do so.

On the hand, Jem's original intercession into this thread was, and I'm being reductive, but I also think I'm correct: don't you realise your way of thinking is narrow-minded. I know the debate later took on the argument of objective v subjective, but Jem was commenting on values and beliefs. Values and beliefs are tricky, because even though they're subjectively held, they are held because we believe in their rightness - we don't think 'well, this is what I think, even though I'm blatantly wrong'. Maturity is in fact about the realisation that we can believe 100 per cent in our own values, but that other people are also entitled to believe 100 per cent in their own values and judgments between value systems are only relevant when there is some reason for it - such as if Nick became ****** (lol) and imposed his values on other people. Yet, Jem came into this thread with the obvious aim to correct, or at least challenge, Nick's way of thinking.

I don't think Nick is under any obligation to admit that what he values is inherently flawed, or contributes to a world of 'struggling and surviving', or anything else like that, which seemed to the essence of where Jem was leading: that these values create an objectively unpalatable environment. For Nick, or any Beta, to even lead credence to the argument that, because they value Se and Ti, they should be willing to accept other people correcting their world view isn't maturity, but hypocrisy.

P.S: But don't leave Beta!

[strrrng]

I'll personally exterminate her from beta lol.

[aka-kitsune]

I marvel at what obnoxious behaviours people will justify.

[strrrng]

I find it truly amazing what obnoxious behaviours people will justify.

Why am I not surprised that you didn't *actually* respond to unefille's post, instead making some blanket statement to reassure yourself of your moral superiority in this matter and avoid any further discourse, which would probably render the flaws in your argument (which unefille already pointed out) even more salient.

[aka-kitsune]

Why am I not surprised that you didn't *actually* respond to unefille's post, instead making some blanket statement to reassure yourself of your moral superiority in this matter and avoid any further discourse, which would probably render the flaws in your argument (which unefille already pointed out) even more salient.

Whatever.

Despite what you and your enablers might think, Jem's initial post was entirely respectful, espousing acceptance of others instead of constant criticism of them. Your hostile and defensive statements in response escalated the emotionality.

Suffice it to say that I disagree entirely with the utility of embracing a combative nature, especially with regard to other people and your own life situations. I wish you well, but you should know that whatever you dish out will come back to you tenfold. I believe in karma. If you're blind to your own negative impact, you'll only continue to engender negative experience.

Speaking of which, I was on the train yesterday and saw a tattoo on someone's arm... it said: "Love is a disease that is cured by hate".

I thought of you.

[strrrng]

Despite what you and your enablers might think, Jem's initial post was entirely respectful, espousing acceptance of others instead of constant criticism of them. Your hostile and defensive statements in response escalated the emotionality.

Oh yeah? First of all, realize that I was describing a subjective experience - biases and all - in an effort to fully convey myself, so that an accurate consensus on my type could be reached. Jem was already out of line when she criticized my post. Technically, it was dolphin's post that she critiqued, which makes her action all-the-more absurd, illustrating how she was the one with the egocentric bias. Fuck if her tone was nice; it's about the motivations of the action.

Because it's unrealistic to assume that a person's level of passion is going to match your own. We would get very few things done if we all had an "all or nothing" approach. Is there some sort of scale? "Love" on the one end, "hate" on the other ... and whichever one you're leaning towards you must embrace with totality - regardless of whether your feelings are that black and white? Often your mind tells you that something would be good to do, but your heart isn't in it ... so you go along half-heartedly. But just giving up totally because you're not enveloped with a fiery passion for what you're doing would be stupid. You can't work up strong desires out of thin air.

How the fuck is that espousing acceptance? The only thing I agree with you about, is that she was diplomatic in her delivery. But, as I said, that is not of primary significance. She basically took a post of mine that was not even MEANT TO BE AN ARGUMENT, BUT RATHER, SIMPLY A SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE AND IMPRESSION, and turned it into a debate by assuming I was taking a position, and thus, took a position herself. At which point I responded with an argument that was based around my subjective opinion - not pure logic - as I was still operating under the assumption that this was my thread where I was supposed to express myself in an unrestrained, biased manner, in order to evince my personality better. There never should have been a debate. Of course it escalated and I got aggressive and hostile, because I was pissed that she came into my thread on a fucking pedestal, trying to debate me about something I never intended to argue about in the first place (a pm or even a new thread would have been a proper setting). So, don't get pissed at me like I just went off the deep end in some rational discussion; I had someone else's agenda imposed on me in a completely improper setting. I am entitled to be hostile towards such an act.

I hope you now see your faulty premises.

Suffice it to say that I disagree entirely with the utility of embracing a combative nature, especially with regard to other people and your own life situations. I wish you well, but you should know that whatever you dish out will come back to you tenfold. I believe in karma. If you're blind to your own negative impact, you'll only continue to engender negative experience.

Ok, this is of no consequence to me.

Speaking of which, I was on the train yesterday and saw a tattoo on someone's arm... it said: "Love is a disease that is cured by hate".

I thought of you.

Well, isn't that cute? A little subtle ad hominem as a goodbye note. Try harder next time, lol.

[aka-kitsune]

So, don't get pissed at me like I just went off the deep end in some rational discussion; I had someone else's agenda imposed on me in a completely improper setting. I am entitled to be hostile towards such an act.

This is projection. I am not the hostile angry one here. And lol at your sense of entitlement. That's obviously a big part of the problem.

I hope you now see your faulty premises.

I can see you're just too entrenched in your own justifications to hear anything I could possibly offer you.

So buh-bye...

[aka-kitsune]

Oh yeah? First of all, realize that I was describing a subjective experience - biases and all - in an effort to fully convey myself, so that an accurate consensus on my type could be reached. Jem was already out of line when she criticized my post. Technically, it was dolphin's post that she critiqued, which makes her action all-the-more absurd, illustrating how she was the one with the egocentric bias. Fuck if her tone was nice; it's about the motivations of the action.

fwiw, this is a public forum on the internet. Get over it.

[strrrng]

fwiw, this is a public forum on the internet. Get over it.

Grabbing on to the only remotely valid point you can? Nice cop-out. You were just given a formal discourse on logic and reading comprehension skills, but go ahead and play it off by quoting a portion of what I wrote and relating it to something that is completely beside the point.

But to engage your pathetic position: if I should get over it, then Jem should just as well get over it, and you should get over it, too. And thus, there never should have been an issue in the first place; you never should have even commented on my behavior.

Your last attempt at an argument was just shot down - again.

[strrrng]

This is projection. I am not the hostile angry one here. And lol at your sense of entitlement. That's obviously a big part of the problem.

Bullshit explanation that is not the primary focus of the argument.

I can see you're just too entrenched in your own justifications to hear anything I could possibly offer you.

So buh-bye...

I didn't even see this petty escape tactic before. Suck a dick, you incompetent clown. I just disproved every point you attempted to make - including the final straw you made a valiant effort at reaching out for - and now all you have left are silly cop-outs.

Bye, bye, indeed. Come back when you have developed your reading comprehension skills to a higher degree.