Which quadra do you think is the most dishonest overall?

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LSE will lie to cover up a mistake they made
SLI will lie because they don't like to be wrong
EII will lie to avoid hurting your feelings

ILI will lie and not realise they are lying

IEI will lie to try to convince you they are a good person

LII will lie as a defence mechanism cause .....

I got bored typing

[wacey]

LSE will lie to cover up a mistake they made
SLI will lie because they don't like to be wrong
EII will lie to avoid hurting your feelings

ILI will lie and not realise they are lying

IEI will lie to try to convince you they are a good person

LII will lie as a defence mechanism cause .....

I got bored typing

Funny that's the SAME thing I see IEI lying about....
covering up a Te blunder, especially in the workplace.

[Words]

Funny that's the SAME thing I see IEI lying about....
covering up a Te blunder, especially in the workplace.

Yes, it's difficult to say these IMO with a high level of accuracy (at least for me). LSEs tend not to like to look less than perfect so they can look to lie or about something they should've picked up on or thought about in advance, could be due to weak Ni.

IEIs I think tend to make appeals to you to cover their Te, ie they are inefficient because they are having these problems at home etc

Anyway, I don't wish to tangent myself for ages, trying to look perfect

[suedehead]

I picture beta dishonesty as like, me thinking I can trust them because they're vaguely amicable or know how to mirror me, and then later I realize that I've been played or they fucked my girlfriend or something.

[wacey]

Yes, it's difficult to say these IMO with a high level of accuracy (at least for me). LSEs tend not to like to look less than perfect so they can look to lie or about something they should've picked up on or thought about in advance, could be due to weak Ni.

IEIs I think tend to make appeals to you to cover their Te, ie they are inefficient because they are having these problems at home etc

Anyway, I don't wish to tangent myself for ages, trying to look perfect

Its funny, I thought thats what you were getting at about LSE. Yes, I think they do tell those kinds of fibs. They often look for every Te eventuality (Ne HA), that they come across as going way overboard with efficiency. Its like, not everything is going to be perfect, but to them, it needs to be.

[wacey]

I picture beta dishonesty as like, me thinking I can trust them because they're vaguely amicable or know how to mirror me, and then later I realizing that I've been played or they fucked my girlfriend or something.

I don't know, with betas I mostly supervise/benefit them so I can see that for the most part the lies come from covering up their tracks. Hiding their weaknesses. Maybe for good reasons, maybe for self-serving reasons, maybe for no good reason. None-the-less I feel as though they are generally speaking the most dishonest. And that does't need to be a malicious dishonesty either.

IEI deal with a lot of stuff so I can understand why they would try and cover up their weaknesses/ troubles. With the

SLE everything they do can be so blatanly obvious to me so whenever somethng comes up, whether they are being wyly tricksters, or genuinly lying to cover up a mistake or shortcoming, or to get people to do what they want, I can see it and know it for what it is: "I know your tricks".

With EIE, I think they lie to get people to rally behind them. I'm not talking like this image of some stupid revolutionary beta stereotype, you know? I mean just the guy at work who stayed up late the night before and lies to the supervisor about the task at hand not being capable of being completed...when the truth is that he is just tired and wants to go home. "No, no, its a big deal, it can't be done today...for such and such reason, everyone here agrees...right? Right?"

ofc every person lies. I could probably go onto the other quadras as well.

[Amber]

I picture beta dishonesty as like, me thinking I can trust them because they're vaguely amicable or know how to mirror me, and then later I realize that I've been played or they fucked my girlfriend or something.

I disagree. I usually don't trust Betas (some of them, ofc ...depends on case) right from the start. But at least I know they can jump straight to the jugular anytime. I don't trust them when they're all about Fe high-scale dramatic emotions ...please, negative, if possible. Some look like they'd die for that. "Doesn't matter if we're friends, I can screw anyone over for a taste of that bloody emotion." Plus I always have the feeling it's mainly about competition ...with a prominent social aspect emphasized (due to Se-Fe axis). Corridas ... toreadors ...mmm. But well ... I was married to a LSI-Ti and ofc I trusted him to a certain extent. Still I knew he wouldn't back off from being a huge bitch if necessary ... when provoked.

Alphas - sometimes I don't trust them because they feel a bit weak. Kinda of "could I really rely on this person in a matter of life and death? is there anything more significant to them than eating yummy cakes and sending greeting cards to ppl on special occasions?" Plus I don't feel like they are gonna take a stance and go with it on serious issues, whether global, or personal. Comfort, niceties, and pointless imagination are oh, so imp.

Deltas - often too nice in an unctuous way ...kinda wanting to get along with everyone and avoid conflict (unvalued Se without Fe, man). I can surely sense when one likes me, but at the same time due to their own personality I kinda wonder if it's not mainly about keeping face and "seeing the good in ppl through rose-colored glasses" ... so mby it's not a particular determined pull towards me.... they'd do the same with everyone, right. Sometimes I feel I cannot rely on them in case of conflicts and fast problem-solving. It's like they prefer a surface kinda harmony between ppl coupled with a very slow pace in dealing with things ...so is that person even gonna see or admit when there are non-crystalline things. What if burglars attack them .. are they gonna do anything else except for philosophising on the nature of honesty and bravery.

[Radio]

alphas. too much +Fe bullshit.

[Words]

In actuality I have found LIIs to be the most honest.

SLEs the least honest/reliable

[ClownsandEntropy]

If it hasn't been said yet:

"I was going to say Alpha is the most dishonest... but then I'd be lying."

Oh! I have another one:

"Gamma is full of LIEs".

Ha!

Anyway, I find Se-types tend to lie to persuade or get their way. I don't exactly lie but more like "fudge the truth" so that technically I wasn't wrong, or perhaps it's so inconsequential that no I know no one will tell me off but it will make an impact. But I'm not good at remembering the multiple lies I've told people, like some people seem to be good at.

[ouronis]

I never lie I just eat cake and send christmas cards to people.

[The Exception]

NOT TYPE RELATED.

[Sanguine Miasma]

On my highly subjectively calibrated scale on severity my vote goes to GAMMA. You are welcome.