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    Default ENFps and sense of space and distance

    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    I see it exactly like you. And the same goes for space, only the map is 3D and very complex, especially in the case of the car. I wouldn't been able to explain it or draw it, it's too complex. Still I know how and where everything should be placed. I guess it's about Ne.
    Hmm, but it must be Ne coupled with Te valuing somehow? Because as you mention, your husband isn't quite as adept as you are at it, even though he's also Ne-dominant. But it is definitely primarily Ne related I think - doing things IN space, the Si-Te/Te-Si people I know are better than doing things like packing. But when it comes to have to get things to FIT - I can see the most bizarre POTENTIAL of given spaces: I've very good at arranging things so that objects that should not fit otherwise, do. I think that's because 'space' and 'direction' are actually abstract concepts and on some level, spatial manipulation is more about perceived possibilities than then concrete dimensions of that space.
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    i orient by street names rather than landmarks and the layout of each intersection, remembering how each street is connected with others. the whole road presents to me as a network of knots, each knot branching into more possible locations.

    Quote Originally Posted by unefille View Post
    Hmm, but it must be Ne coupled with Te valuing somehow? Because as you mention, your husband isn't quite as adept as you are at it, even though he's also Ne-dominant. But it is definitely primarily Ne related I think - doing things IN space, the Si-Te/Te-Si people I know are better than doing things like packing. But when it comes to have to get things to FIT - I can see the most bizarre POTENTIAL of given spaces: I've very good at arranging things so that objects that should not fit otherwise, do. I think that's because 'space' and 'direction' are actually abstract concepts and on some level, spatial manipulation is more about perceived possibilities than then concrete dimensions of that space.
    seeing in your sig my inference would be that seeing "bizarre potential of spaces" is the consequence of your Ni-creative

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    I consider my sense of space better than most, however, I may mean it in a different sense. I have a very good sense of direction, something a lot of people lack. I also have a sense of the space of a room... I am a good designer of space. I am sensitive to pictures hung too high or improper balance of negative space in an arranged room.

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    Why isn't this related?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XoX View Post
    Why isn't this related?
    i thought so too.

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    I can't say I'm good at any of this stuff. I pay very little attention to external objects and have been called oblivious many a time. I get lost out there on the road quite a bit. I remember one time I was driving back from an out of town training. I had been driving for a while, listening to something really interesting on the radio, when all of a sudden I realize I'm not quite sure where I am. After a little while it became quite clear that I had been going the opposite way on the interstate the entire time. LOL.

    I'm not good at packing or anything like that either. My suitcases and boxes always seem to get full faster than when my mom, for instance, packs them. LOL. I definitely have difficulty with anything spatial (parking the car, etc).

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    Actually, I think I may have voted wrong. I'm sure there are people who are better at it than I am. I rarely get lost, though, unless I'm trying to use a map while driving because then I'm concentrating on not getting into an accident. And I tend to think in 3D.

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    Oh yeah, I do tend to think in 3D.

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    I get lost a lot unless I force myself to pay attention. If I pay attention I'm pretty good at it. I usually go in the general direction of something...like it should be north east, so over here somewhere...at that seems to work.

    Still, I wouldn't say it's a strength of mine.
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    OHHHH! I thought it was going to be about OUTER SPACE! I love sci-fi. I good with making things fit and sizing things up (well, fairly good) but Im terrible at directions. i have to pay special attention because I easily get lost going somewhere. Even if Ive been there before if I wasnt the one driving I usually forget where it is. Its really quite embarrassing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    I know I am better than most people at this, and I mean significantly better. I find shortcuts where others have problems finding the road. Why...? I would logically assume Se (or maybe Te?) to be important, but I'm not at all a Se kind of person. (I'm not logical neither, that's why I ask....)
    These kind of things can be puzzling to me too when you only work with your observations.

    But if I work with the definitions it _seems_ easier...Se is "external statics of objects". Clearly evaluating the size and shape of a box and a space you should put it into is about external statics. It couldn't get any more external and it is not dynamic either. Thus it has to be about Se. The whole task doesn't contain any kind of internal dimension imho and thus Fi (internal statics of fields/relations) wouldn't be of any help. Ti is about external statics and thus Ti would potentially be more useful than Fi (or at least not any less useful).

    So I cannot see the task of putting boxes into a car much else than Se and perhaps slightly more so SeTi than SeFi task. At least this would be the trivial logical conclusion.

    I'd guess that Ne would be something like realizing that both the box and the car are actually containers for storing and moving stuff around. Car is basically a box with wheels and an energy source. Or something. Internal statics i.e. abstract qualities or "essence". Not about external qualities like size and shape.

    Te (external dynamics of objects) wouldn't really be useful unless there is something dynamic about the boxes or the space. For example if you have to understand how to operate some tool or machinery to perform this task or lock/tie up the boxes then I think you would have to use Te. But Te isn't related to evaluating static qualities.

    I would actually be interested in someone correcting/improving my explanation because I'm learning to use these definitions and they are so abstract that I might be applying them somehow incorrectly.

    So if you are significantly better than most others it would suggest you have stronger than average Se. If you value this kind of concrete ability more so than you value the more abstract ability of Ne it would suggest you are not IEE. Of course you might be IEE with unusually strong Se. Or you might just be exaggerating your ability and if you'd compete against SLE or LSI in the task of arranging boxes into a space you would see that you are not as good as you think.

    Well, I'm not sure if this is any use to you but anyways. Subjectively speaking I currently see no reason to contest your type. There is probably some other explanation for this.

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    I often get lost, I usually don't see things placed near my nose. I never know where things are, except my room.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sirena View Post
    I can't say I'm good at any of this stuff. I pay very little attention to external objects and have been called oblivious many a time. I get lost out there on the road quite a bit. I remember one time I was driving back from an out of town training. I had been driving for a while, listening to something really interesting on the radio, when all of a sudden I realize I'm not quite sure where I am. After a little while it became quite clear that I had been going the opposite way on the interstate the entire time. LOL.
    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    I get lost a lot unless I force myself to pay attention. If I pay attention I'm pretty good at it. I usually go in the general direction of something...like it should be north east, so over here somewhere...at that seems to work.

    Still, I wouldn't say it's a strength of mine.
    Exactly. But I still think I'm crap at it.
    Many times I've been asked for giving direction. Only once I did it correctly. I also tend to think in 3D and I remember streets' locations quite well, but I never know names of streets. Unless somebody draws a picture of 'how to get to xyz', I won't know where is it.

    Imo, subtype has weaker than subtype. So maybe Mimosa is and Sirena is subtype and everything is all right .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate View Post
    I often get lost, I usually don't see things placed near my nose. I never know where things are, except my room.



    Exactly. But I still think I'm crap at it.
    Many times I've been asked for giving direction. Only once I did it correctly. I also tend to think in 3D and I remember streets' locations quite well, but I never know names of streets. Unless somebody draws a picture of 'how to get to xyz', I won't know where is it.

    Imo, subtype has weaker than subtype. So maybe Mimosa is and Sirena is subtype and everything is all right .
    Possibly. It would be funny though, considering that MP has "subtyped" herself as Ne and I've subtyped myself as Fi.

    I still don't see how this would explain it though. Se is still weak and unvalued in IEEs, regardless of subtype. How does that explain being better than the average person at it?

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