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    So the Si descriptions I've read seem to focus on the manifestations of it (health, comfort) rather than how it works - so if anyone possesses knowledge of the inner workings of Si, step forward please. (c:

    Some general definitions I've come up with so far:

    -passive accumulation of sensory data and the ability to determine which data is and which isn't applicable to current situation
    -the ability to determine the most workable and efficient physical response to sensory stimuli
    -knowledge of how to use and manipulate available objects in the environment to suit one's purposes
    -the ability to adapt to changing situations and identify the path of least resistance
    -awareness of relations between the body and objects in the environment
    -knowledge of what the body needs in order to achieve a desired state

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    Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    So the Si descriptions I've read seem to focus on the manifestations of it (health, comfort) rather than how it works - so if anyone possesses knowledge of the inner workings of Si, step forward please. (c:

    Some general definitions I've come up with so far:

    -passive accumulation of sensory data and the ability to determine which data is and which isn't applicable to current situation
    -the ability to determine the most workable and efficient physical response to sensory stimuli
    -knowledge of how to use and manipulate available objects in the environment to suit one's purposes
    -the ability to adapt to changing situations and identify the path of least resistance
    -awareness of relations between the body and objects in the environment
    -knowledge of what the body needs in order to achieve a desired state

    What do you think?
    Is manipulating objects in the environment Se>Si? (I dunno, I'm still trying to flush out some of this myself)
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    Is manipulating objects in the environment Se>Si? (I dunno, I'm still trying to flush out some of this myself)
    It is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    It is.
    What about "knowledge of which objects in the environment to use to suit one's purposes" - do you think that fits?
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    very abstract and not very useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    very abstract and not very useful.
    What's written as a whole or Jem's post before yours? I think the other points listed are pretty good in terms of the way an Si person would experience the base function internally. The third one originally listed does too, so long as it's qualified that it's more a use of Se with an Si agenda (arrangement to achieve a more pleasureable environment).
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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    very abstract and not very useful.
    lol that was a perfect polr hit
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    Quote Originally Posted by niffweed17 View Post
    very abstract and not very useful.
    I think this post is not very useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
    What is a useful description of Si in your opinion? Getting your own chips? Please enlighten us.
    ah, such a daunting task.

    IM element exemplae are on an endless list of wikiprojects in the back of my head that will never be compl

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    Se is about localizing the object in sight directly, such that it it has no value or connation except what's contained in the object itself. A "sharp arrow" means just that it's a "sharp arrow". A station wagon is just a station wagon.

    Si is about the object interacting with other objects, such that it's value and connotation is dependent on how it affects other objects as well. Incidently, how the presence or absence of an object affects a person and her internal state, or how the parts of a mechanical device smoothly interact to generate internal motion or cohesion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    So the Si descriptions I've read seem to focus on the manifestations of it (health, comfort) rather than how it works - so if anyone possesses knowledge of the inner workings of Si, step forward please. (c:

    Some general definitions I've come up with so far:

    -passive accumulation of sensory data and the ability to determine which data is and which isn't applicable to current situation
    -the ability to determine the most workable and efficient physical response to sensory stimuli
    -knowledge of how to use and manipulate available objects in the environment to suit one's purposes
    -the ability to adapt to changing situations and identify the path of least resistance
    -awareness of relations between the body and objects in the environment
    -knowledge of what the body needs in order to achieve a desired state

    What do you think?
    I like this. You point out how Si is about filtering relevant/irrelevant sensory data to suit one's own needs. And yeah the idea of least resistance - excellent.

    Can you relate to this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve View Post
    I like this. You point out how Si is about filtering relevant/irrelevant sensory data to suit one's own needs. And yeah the idea of least resistance - excellent.

    Can you relate to this?
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...7&postcount=17
    Wow - yeah, completely. I didn't know all that stuff was Si. lol
    Si people frequently go through a day where each day has a different character, and there’s this core feeling as to the flow of the particular day.
    I thought that was a personal weirdism. (c: When I think back to different occurrences, I remember the particular feel of the situation first and foremost.
    Smells or sights can act as triggers as well. For example, seeing a piece of furniture that was in the house of a deceased grandparent can suddenly bring the perceiver back to the time period where they saw the furniture in its proper place in the grandparent’s house. They will also likely recall exactly what the room looked like in striking detail, and all of the personal attachments and associations they had with that room, house, and grandparent within the context of the room and house ...
    Yeah, that always happens to me. I see something or smell something and these memories and associations pop into my head. Or I walk by a place and think it funny how different I felt walking by another time. I don't really assign different feelings to places, because I feel different every time I'm there - but I do remember all the different feelings I had, like stored files that I can play at my leisure.

    Edit: Same with people too - I remember the particular way my relationship with a person felt when I think back to different situations. Because it feels different every time I interact with the person. No matter who it is - could be the postman. lol That might be SiFe though.

    Thanks for posting this! How did you come up with it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jem View Post
    Wow - yeah, completely. I didn't know all that stuff was Si. lolI thought that was a personal weirdism. (c: When I think back to different occurrences, I remember the particular feel of the situation first and foremost. Yeah, that always happens to me. I see something or smell something and these memories and associations pop into my head. Or I walk by a place and think it funny how different I felt walking by another time. I don't really assign different feelings to places, because I feel different every time I'm there - but I do remember all the different feelings I had, like stored files that I can play at my leisure.
    I'm exactly the same. Furthermore this should illustrate that Ne egos experience the same Si as Si egos, and that the "super-id" functions are indeed strong for a person. The only difference between Si ego and Si super-id is the vantage point, but they experience the same function strongly.

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    Edit: Same with people too - I remember the particular way my relationship with a person felt when I think back to different situations. Because it feels different every time I interact with the person. No matter who it is - could be the postman. lol That might be SiFe though.
    I experience this too, especially with close friends/family. Remembering how someone appeared and the vibe they gave off, and how they blended with a particular situation is really central for me emotionally, and I have a lot of feelings attached to that blending. When I think of the situation, the feelings come with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jem
    Thanks for posting this! How did you come up with it?
    My pleasure . As I was developing a better sense of Socionics, I had been talking with some Se-valuing people like Ashton, Jadae, Krae, Sarah, Raisonpure, Ajax, etc, and I could just see that the way I talked about my experience of things, and the things I focused on externally were different from how they focused on external experience. They would pretty much talk about the bottom line of what happened in and of itself. I always was into immersing myself in the external experience and talking about certain details that affected the overall theme, while they were removed from it and talked about it discretely. So I thought, "If I do THAT differently, then all that other stuff having to do with being in the flow of external experience I do must be part of Si too", and I just extracted the rest from that essence. And it made sense because the idea of "external field dynamics" seems to fit in with that stuff I remembered from my experience. I was experiencing my externals (environment) by immersing myself in it and it would affect me internally (field), and the feeling would evolve over time (dynamic).

    As a Ti ENTp, I tend to focus heavily on my Si as the Ne sub does Fe, so Si for me is something I like to explore, constantly experience, be fed an unlimited supply of, while I interpret it and play around with it through Ne and Ti.

    How'd you come up with your description?

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    Si is about readily observable, immediately apparent cause and effect relationships. Here are some examples of use of one's Si:
    • My boss told me that I should buckle in my ladder when I drive around with it in the back seat because that way if I slam on the breaks at a high speed it won't smack into anyone in the front seat.
    • Peter and I were watching a TV show and someone hooked an IV up to a corpse. He said, "What's going to pump that liquid through his body if his heart isn't beating?"
    • If someone's cold, they could put on a sweater or turn the thermostat up, and then they won't feel as cold.
    • If you wear a belt, your pants are less likely to sag or fall down.
    • Filling in the holes on the side of the ladder prevents it from whistling when it's on the top of your vehicle while driving down the highway.
    • Adding some colorful accents to an otherwise neutral room would make it more pleasing to look at.
    • You probably feel achy and lack concentration right now simply because you haven't slept as much as you should lately.
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    As far as abstract vs. not, the theory itself is in abstraction. In order to accurately explain any of the information elements/aspects, it is necessary to use descriptions/explanations that are too abstract for most people to easily/immediately understand. It's helpful to provide examples, but that's about all you can do to make the abstact nature of the theory easier to understand.

    There's simply no way to significantly lessen the degree of abstraction used when accurately explaining/describing Socionics information aspects/elements, so if you're looking for a theory that doesn't use concepts such as "external vs. internal" or "object vs. field", go study Jung or MBTT.
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    Si is what it is. Stop trying to pin it down!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kioshi View Post
    Some members in this forum seem unable to appreciate types outside their quadra. That's their problem. Not all of us have this problem.

    Some of us use socionics is to help us learn to appreciate our differences, not to rationalize social and communications incompetence.
    I do agree with this sentiment.
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    The Se is about extroverted sensing that includes mainly seeing and hearing. The Si is what remains of that; the sensory awareness limited mainly to the body, its feel, but like a blind man (so to say) and so it has nothing to do with relations to the outer world, that's pure extroverted sensing. The Si is just a more dominant awareness of the body itself and its moves (not related to the outer world but just to itself).
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