Why do ESTPs have to dominate?
Why do SLEs/ESTps have to dominate?
Why do ESTPs have to dominate?
Give examples. NOW!
Dominate how so? Sexually? Politically? Spiritually? Many SLEs try to dominate, but they are bad at it. SLEs don't control the world... though they like to think they do, I guess. Doesn't everybody think like that? We all have fantasies where we're more powerful, where people listen to us. Where everything goes our way but we can still be surprised and awed at the same time.
They move physical objects around easily () and have a great sense of their physical environment and where physical objects are in relation to one other. This actually has nothing to do with dominance per se. You might be surprised at how sensitive & whiny SLEs can be. How easily swayed they are by mere emotion. IEIs are their duals, after all.
SLEs can be a victim of rape folks, they ain't just the rapists. It's true! =p
God make it stop. I can't stand any more whining! GET A BACK BONE.Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves
Dominate how so? Sexually? Politically? Spiritually? Many SLEs try to dominate, but they are bad at it. SLEs don't control the world... though they like to think they do, I guess. Doesn't everybody think like that? We all have fantasies where we're more powerful, where people listen to us. Where everything goes our way but we can still be surprised and awed at the same time.
They move physical objects around easily (
SLEs can be a victim of rape folks, they ain't just the rapists. It's true! =p
i think they dominate the attention of groups more than anything else. if you can influence them in favor of your interests, they will champion for you, as long as they get the credit and the attention.
to answer the question of why do they do this....because they have a rather large ego which needs to be fed. no offense.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
not always, we can stay in the shadows as well. depends on our mood and what social dominance might bring us, otherwise i just might leave and do my own thing
+1
One word: feaaaaaaar. They fear others are plotting against them. Plotting to dominate THEM. They can't stand the idea of being dominated. They feel like they have to act first and grab the power and the resources. That makes them feel safer. But they never feel completely safe. So they need to grab more and more...it is a never ending cycle. Only the sweet words from an INFp can make them feel safe. Make them feel loved. Like a child. But only for a short moment because they know that the words are not real but just an illusion created by the INFp. Illusion that will soon break. Still they yearn to hear those words. That is the only thing that can stop their power grabbing mania. Make the fear go away. Even if only for a short moment.
Why do ESTPs have to dominate?
I find that answer to be too shallow. It doesn't explain how being aware of external statics of objects leads to need for domination. Perhaps being more aware of your immediate surroundings than most others around you leads to a certain sense of superiority and this leads to a "because I can" attitude.
So a group of only ESTps wouldn't feel the need to dominate each other?
ESTps have a sense of immediacy and a need to sort things into how they should be sorted...perhaps.
My first attempt at explanation (which was based on fear driven behavior) works better in this situation. They would fear each other and thus try to establish dominance for security reasons.
As a somewhat unrelated idea, I think a group of ESTps would establish a mafia style hierarchy where there exists a clear chain of command, clear rules of acceptable behavior, and great respect for each other but the moment you show weakness your status drops and someone will take your position in the hierarchy. You would have to compete for your position 24 hours a day.
because
a) they can be quite cynical and distrustful of others, hence don't trust others to dominate
b) dominating gives them something to do, if they have nothing to do they get anxiety
INFp-Ni
they are anxious. they hide it well, but yeah they are anxious. ILE is also anxious......i think it must go with the territory of EP temperament.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
Seriously. I can't remember what this whole thing is ... oh the question as to why ESTp's have to dominate?
I can't remember the answer either but it has got a lot to do with saucers.
The kind that's used to contain milk. There's also a lot of talk about the flying subtype lately but that has got more to do with abduction than domination.
Ciao.
She is wiseWhy I love LSEs:
beyond words
beautiful within
her soul
brighter than
the sun
lovelier than
love
dreams larger
than life
and does not
understand the
meaning of no.
Because everything
through her, and in her, is
"Yes, it will be done."
A couple years ago I was put in charge of decorating the college for Valentine's Day. I made some gorgeous, fancy decorations from construction paper, glue, scissors, and imagination. Then I covered a couple cabinets with them. But my favorite was the diagram of a human heart I put up. So romantic!
Awww, he's just expressing himself.
discojoe's explanation wasn't shallow; it was terse. And correct. If you know what Se is, the answer should be a slap in the face unless you're a complete idiot who can't really comprehend socionics, in which case you should just stop attempting to learn about it now.
Interesting idea, actually. You may be right. I've gained this kind of insight of the way people operate within society and how they interact with one another, and I've decided that I can achieve a high position within the social hierarchy by conducting myself in a certain way. See, this bullshit about SLEs needing rules to abide by; no, that is not how we operate. We recognise that there already is a hierarchy within society that we must work with in order to conquer it. This is fundamentally where SEEs fail. They seem to think you can just achieve top spot by dancing around with Se and Fi; they fail to recognise the forces at work effectively, because of their Ti PoLR. This is why they have a problem with being in a hierarchy; they can't see the use of it. SLEs, on the other hand, instinctively recognise that it is a necessary evil to ass-lick etc.Perhaps being more aware of your immediate surroundings than most others around you leads to a certain sense of superiority and this leads to a "because I can" attitude.
I still don't understand how or why a Three would be an SLE. I mean, superficially, it quite easily looks like they could be. But when you get to the core of the SLE, it seems ridiculous to consider their being a Three.
Answering the question with a symbol of
Q: Why are ESTps dominating?
A: Because of
Q: How do you know ESTps have strong
A: Because they are dominating
It is basically just a reference to definition of
For example I would like to know why being aware of external statics of objects leads to dominance where being aware of external dynamics of objects doesn't. Well it does in a way but in a very different way. The difference is interesting. Both often are enneagram 8 but different kind of 8s.
Edit: the pic was blocked so I removed the link
So SLEs seek to be on top of hierarchy and SEEs seek to be on top of people (a pun intended). The question is: why do you personally seek to be on top of a hierarchy? What's your main motivator? What's there waiting for you?
I still don't understand how or why a Three would be an SLE. I mean, superficially, it quite easily looks like they could be. But when you get to the core of the SLE, it seems ridiculous to consider their being a Three.I can see there are some tendencies toward enneagram 3.
Last edited by XoX; 08-08-2008 at 04:31 PM.
There can be many reasons for any behavior but, I think that they have been the victims of violations of their "selves" at a young age and so they tend to behave this way later in life with others.
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