Are these two perspectives related to quadra values?

[Logos]

I shudder to think, but look at many of the modern European countries, like France, where the majority of the population erroneously believe that things like minimum wage and job security laws actually help their country's economy, despite evidence that proves they only create fewer and fewer jobs, and thus more and more people who "deserve" to be taken care of, despite an ever decreasing amount of money with which to do so.

Labor unions are strong in Europe, and unfortunately, they are often too preoccupied with maintaining their power and not on what is economically the most viable option for their countries, their collective, or themselves.

I don't know. Whatever low rate creates the greatest amount of economic growth without crippling the government, I guess.

Must be still in committee then.

Says the person who admits to being bad at understanding people's motives.

Ironic, no?

[discojoe]

Ironic, no?

Maybe, but more to the point, stupid.

[Logos]

Maybe, but more to the point, stupid.

It is a use of what would be my role function, however stupid that function may be. I may not be able to read motives well, but I do know stupid behavior and actions when I see it.

[discojoe]

It is a use of what would be my role function, however stupid that function may be. I may not be able to read motives well, but I do know stupid behavior and actions when I see it.

Tell me what's so stupid about blocking contact with someone whose behavior I find repulsive? Of course there's nothing; you're just telling me how to feel, which you are obviously in no position to do.

[Logos]

Tell me what's so stupid about blocking contact with someone whose behavior I find repulsive? Of course there's nothing; you're just telling me how to feel, which you are obviously in no position to do.

I'm not telling you how to feel, but about how ridiculous you are behaving. How you feel is irrelevant.

[discojoe]

I'm not telling you how to feel, but about how ridiculous you are behaving.

"Tell me what's so stupid about blocking contact with someone whose behavior I find repulsive?"

How you feel is irrelevant.

Wrong, because feeling repulsion will naturally compel me to distance myself from the object of my repulsion.

When it boils down to it, you're telling me how to feel.

[Logos]

"Tell me what's so stupid about blocking contact with someone whose behavior I find repulsive?"

Wrong, because feeling repulsion will naturally compel me to distance myself from the object of my repulsion.

When it boils down to it, you're telling me how to feel.

It's not stupid to block contact with someone whose behavior you find repulsive, but it is ridiculous that you would find Suomea's behavior repulsive. Is he any worse than most of the idiots who plague this forum or who post irrelevant posts? He responds in a similar fashion as you at times with the "Wrong", "Incorrect", "Stupid", "No", and when he does so you find yourself repulsed by this? But it is possible that I am missing something that occured between the two of you that I did not see. I am open to hearing about it.

[discojoe]

It's not stupid to block contact with someone whose behavior you find repulsive, but it is ridiculous that you would find Suomea's behavior repulsive. Is he any worse than most of the idiots who plague this forum or who post irrelevant posts? He responds in a similar fashion as you at times with the "Wrong", "Incorrect", "Stupid", "No", and when he does so you find yourself repulsed by this? But it is possible that I am missing something that occured between the two of you that I did not see. I am open to hearing about it.

So you are telling me how to feel, which you couldn't possibly have enough information to do.

[Logos]

So you are telling me how to feel, which you couldn't possibly have enough information to do.

I'm not telling you how to feel, but how I feel about your behavior. I have not dictated that you unblock him. You are free of course to do what you please, but I'm just noting my own response to the situation.

[discojoe]

I'm not telling you how to feel, but how I feel about your behavior. I have not dictated that you unblock him. You are free of course to do what you please, but I'm just noting my own response to the situation.

You're broken.

[Logos]

You're broken.

What do you mean?

[discojoe]

What do you mean?

You seem to not grasp the implications of telling someone they're stupid because of how they feel. Feelings are never invalid, and even though there are overreactions, you seem to think it's productive to attack the feeling itself, and it never is.

If you want to improve your relations you should remember this.

[Logos]

You seem to not grasp the implications of telling someone they're stupid because of how they feel. Feelings are never invalid, and even though there are overreactions, you seem to think it's productive to attack the feeling itself, and it never is.

If you want to improve your relations you should remember this.

A valuable lesson learned. I will take what you said to heart and mind. Thank you. (BTW, just to be clear: I'm not being a smart-ass when I say this.)

[discojoe]

A valuable lesson learned. I will take what you said to heart and mind. Thank you. (BTW, just to be clear: I'm not being a smart-ass when I say this.)

Cheers.

[Suomea]

Discojoe-

You are able to "feel" any way you want to.... but when you attack my intelligence/character like that without giving a single reason the whole time it shows lack of class. If you really have a grievance with me, then you had more than enough opportunity to let me know what your gripe was. Instead of grieving any errances to me you chose to attack me. Multiple times. None of your claims were substantiated by anything you said in any way.... the closest thing to any explanation to anything was when you responded to when I said "more correct." Perhaps a lot of POLR hits and role hits make you uncomfortable and make you develop a negative "feeling" towards me. But when you come in and start talking on a topic which involves Ni/Ne/Ti/and Te and expected to not to have to listen or use Ti or Ne, then I view it as your own fault. I do not like unsubstantiated character assassination. I think it shows how much of an asshole you can be..... and more specifically that you continued with it. You can "feel" however you want to, but for god sake's man keep it to your fucking self. Don't come into a discussion/argument, see that you are losing, and then start assassinating people's characters just because you don't like hearing what they are saying. I agreed with Logos the time that I did because he said what I wanted to say, and said it probably even better than I could. I am always open to discuss the best government strategy for economic growth, but don't fucking make it personal when you get uncomfortable.

Suomea

[FDG]

Who am I kidding. Of course someone as terrible as you at making convincing arguments would prefer to cop out after making one or two brief statements about how it's not worth your time.

Lol @ your Ti PoLR.

What are you talking about...I'm one undergraduate thesis short to finishing a degree in mathematical economics w honors, It's extremely unlikely that I lack knowledge on the matter. It's sufficient to name exclusively one flaw to make a whole system incorrect, in this case, given that the system is based on an absolute representation, and thus either is completely correct or it isn't.

[discojoe]

What are you talking about...I'm one undergraduate thesis short to finishing a degree in mathematical economics w honors, It's extremely unlikely that I lack knowledge on the matter. It's sufficient to name exclusively one flaw to make a whole system incorrect, in this case, given that the system is based on an absolute representation, and thus either is completely correct or it isn't.

[Shazaam]

The truth of such matters is more complicated than either view takes into account.

Explain how they're complex then. Not sure I have time to read through 11 pages so my apologies if you already did.

People like to say how complex things are (especially Fi types I noticed) but I think this time it's as simple and clear as Joy pointed out. Joy's posts usually make me feel kinda blah but I liked this one. Good job, Joy!

I would say I fit the number A category, which is why I can appear to be victim-playing when I am not. Personal responsibility is so overrated. It's just easier to get shit done w/o having to worry about all that stuff... I guess it *is* a Fe thing.