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    http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb03/overestimate.aspx

    Self-estimations don't mean all that much imo. It's best to get the feedback and opinions of those who know you well over a period of time. Through others I've learned that I have weak Fe,and Ne which is something I didn't realize on my own, and it's constantly being pointed out to me by people irl that I have strong Ti,Te,Se and Si - things I've taken for granted and tended not to pay much attention to being "strong." What people say you're good at also has less value than what people say you're poor at in that people will say nice things and exaggerate strengths sometimes, but if they say you're bad at something and they're not just trying to be cruel, it's probably a pretty glaring weakness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb03/overestimate.aspx

    Self-estimations don't mean all that much imo. It's best to get the feedback and opinions of those who know you well over a period of time. Through others I've learned that I have weak Fe,and Ne which is something I didn't realize on my own, and it's constantly being pointed out to me by people irl that I have strong Ti,Te,Se and Si - things I've taken for granted and tended not to pay much attention to being "strong." What people say you're good at also has less value than what people say you're poor at in that people will say nice things and exaggerate strengths sometimes, but if they say you're bad at something and they're not just trying to be cruel, it's probably a pretty glaring weakness.
    Yes, I wouldn't know without comparisons to others.

    Lol your article, I never deluded myself into thinking I aced something then getting a D or equivalent. It's things that are objective enough to be evaluated reliably.

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    Ne - 8
    Ni - 7
    Se - 6
    Si - 5
    Ti - 7
    Te - 6
    Fi - 4
    Fe - 5

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    Ne-8
    Se-2
    Ni-9
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    Ti-8
    Fi-5
    Te-3
    Fe-6

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    This question makes my head hurt. I don't know how to separate strength from attention let alone the varying descriptions of the elements. This is wrong and i might answer it differently on a different day.

    Fi 8
    Ni 7
    Se 6
    Ti 6
    Ne 5
    Si 5
    Fe 3
    Te 2

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    Fi - 9
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    I don't really understand the information elements a whole lot (or anything else), but I'd say mine vary on the day.

    I've generally been very aware of my emotions and what i want (and good internal sensations, health, and beauty everywhere which are all what I want) but not good with others' emotions and what they want or wish to not have (although I think I'm better with that as I've gotten older; I have a love hate relationship with dealing with other people partly because they could make me more depressed, angry, envious, anxious than I already am). I've usually tried to be open to Ne (there are a lot of "crazy" ideas that I love and I'm open to new things about 50% of the time), but I have to be reminded that there is more than one way... ~50% of the time I like it but if I don't like it then it's usually because it made me realize I was too stupid to see what was right in front of me. I'm very uncreative and ugly, although I often appreciate creativity, beauty, and playfulness in others, except sometimes it makes me envious that I couldn't do it or better.

    I'm terrible at multi-tasking, organizing people or things, analysis, problem-solving, figuring out the social situation in real-time, deductive logic/fluid reasoning, spatial relations/analysis, spatial, size, object, and visual detail awareness and coordination (my eye hand coordination was ok, i guess), I'm clumsy AF; I'm average with remembering facts whether about myself, someone else, or just general knowledge. I can recognize shapes and colors okay. I'm not very practical nor efficient though, due to the weaknesses I've mentioned, my low IQ, high Fi demands on myself (I hate myself if I can't do some elegant and original, if I fail, make a mistake, etc., etc.), and my emotions. Not sure if both fact and efficiency are Te or not. But I'm too afraid to even try to work.

    I've tended to live in my head and trying to enjoy art and certain individuals from far away and both loved and hated doing those things. I've reflected on the past and future emotionally and in terms of how it did/would affect myself and others if that's what Ni is. I think I have a weak and bad sense of humor.

    I generally think good, stimulating people, good personal space, good stimulating things/art, and my being able to love people are more important than the collective. I don't like hierarchy; I vastly prefer good one to one relations (person's sex doesn't make a whole helluva a lot of difference) independent of any hierarchy but in a beautiful setting with beautiful things. But I can go into in person groups and sometimes enjoy them but I do NOT want any fucking hierarchy ever lol (but sincerely). I don't think most people are bad.
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    N > S
    T and F are just nitpicky brats who keep fighting in my head.

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    Si - 10
    Ne - 10
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    Regarding Se: I overrated this in myself, until I had new recruits approach me to be assigned tasks.
    It feels unnatural to ask "could you please do ____"

    My approach would be more like "I was thinking that the rack with skirts is running low - would you like to choose some to add to it?"
    In that situation most people I've encountered will say yes, so I will observe them and slowly realise whether or not it's a task they are bringing a personal touch to, whether they develop a comfortable flow, or whether it is by rote and therefore kind of unpleasant. Things like that.

    Too many directives can give the impression that you do not trust a person's intentions or perceive their capacities - simply that you do not trust, and that you know better.

    I'm always aware of this, so directing others is not something I can stomach. I've also found that when you leave space for people to figure out things on their own, that is where new methods or improvements arise
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    Quote Originally Posted by thistle View Post


    Regarding Se: I overrated this in myself, until I had new recruits approach me to be assigned tasks.
    It feels unnatural to ask "could you please do ____"

    My approach would be more like "I was thinking that the rack with skirts is running low - would you like to choose some to add to it?"
    In that situation most people I've encountered will say yes, so I will observe them and slowly realise whether or not it's a task they are bringing a personal touch to, whether they develop a comfortable flow, or whether it is by rote and therefore kind of unpleasant. Things like that.

    Too many directives can give the impression that you do not trust a person's intentions or perceive their capacities - simply that you do not trust, and that you know better.

    I'm always aware of this, so directing others is not something I can stomach. I've also found that when you leave space for people to figure out things on their own, that is where new methods or improvements arise
    (I don't mean this reply to sound hostile, not a personal attack, etc etc disclaimer)

    This approach would make my skin crawl. I am getting flashbacks to the movie Office Space. Work performance tied to silent interpretation and evaluation of my deep emotional engagement, so I have to always be "on" in a way that fits the culture of an organization and the sensibilities of random individual supervisors.
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    Se - 9

    Te: 8-9 Te is OP but I am too irrational to stay in this mode all the time

    Ti: 7-8 Love/Hate.

    Si: 6-7 Much more likely to go with Se, Ti, or Te out of habit

    Ne: 5

    Fe: 3-4 I can do this briefly, but I would rather have it directed at me. I have enough Fe to enjoy attention, not enough to take part in the supposed hivemind.

    Ni: 2-4 This can get to a decent level when life slows down. Spiritual practice, meditation, Covid isolation, boring town, etc

    Fi: 0-1 My Fi isn't very strong, persistent, or easy to reinforce. I can't recall too many interests or people I feel strongly about over long periods of time. I know what is and isn't me, but I don't give it enough importance. I know what I like or don't like and how I feel about things but they're all relative. I can't really give like a top 5 absolute "these core things are important to me". More like "this will probably matter to me for the next 3 min -3 months."

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    Quote Originally Posted by inaLim View Post
    (I don't mean this reply to sound hostile, not a personal attack, etc etc disclaimer)

    This approach would make my skin crawl. I am getting flashbacks to the movie Office Space. Work performance tied to silent interpretation and evaluation of my deep emotional engagement, so I have to always be "on" in a way that fits the culture of an organization and the sensibilities of random individual supervisors.
    I didn't mean for what I wrote to come across like I expect anyone to be "on" all the time.
    There are days at work when I feel very self-contained, and would rather hide out of sight shelving books or collapsing cardboard boxes. On those days I feel very "off", but try to take it easy on myself.

    That self-consciousness is what makes it unnatural for me to impose. When I detect uncertainty in myself, I do not believe I'm dependable enough to be in the position to direct others.

    My earlier post does read as if I silently interpret and come to a conclusion on my own, but in reality there is more to it. Conversation, finding out what people like to do. Some like to neatly arrange items or create themed displays, others prefer greeting and chatting to customers, being on the move.
    That was what I was trying to convey when I said I'd notice how a person responded to initial tasks set. I'd hope that they feel they have some bearing, control over what it is that they do. Realistically, there will not be something to suit every person's strength, and it is after all still work.

    My intention isn't to evaluate anyone's worthiness to an organisation, or at least, that is not what I am consciously doing.

    Because I did not foresee your reaction, discomfort, there is something important I'm overlooking ...

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    On a normal good day probably (from high to low):
    Ni - 10 - Maybe this is the top, this is all I do
    Ti - 9 - I'm good at this but when I verbalize it, I couldn't express it well so it sounds like I'm not logically consistent and sound dumb to Ti valuers probably
    Te - 9 - I put this lower bec I don't really listen to facts I don't feel like listening to, but everything else Te-wise I'm strong at I think
    Si - 8.5 - I'm strong at this except for health stuff
    Fi - 6 - I focus on this a lot but I have too much high standards that it's not realistic anymore, so I put this at the bottom
    Se - 3 - Only shows up a bit strong when mad/annoyed. But otherwise I feel like I couldn't apply pressure on anyone
    Fe - 0.5 - I don't even know how to work on this one. On group convos I always get confused and register things said late. Sometimes when I join in I miss the cue too or talk about sad things so I get crickets. I think Fe is also an ability to express things when it's proper. But when I like or hate something so much I can't help but express it, so people probably think I'm weird
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    Quote Originally Posted by thistle View Post
    I didn't mean for what I wrote to come across like I expect anyone to be "on" all the time.
    There are days at work when I feel very self-contained, and would rather hide out of sight shelving books or collapsing cardboard boxes. On those days I feel very "off", but try to take it easy on myself.

    That self-consciousness is what makes it unnatural for me to impose. When I detect uncertainty in myself, I do not believe I'm dependable enough to be in the position to direct others.

    My earlier post does read as if I silently interpret and come to a conclusion on my own, but in reality there is more to it. Conversation, finding out what people like to do. Some like to neatly arrange items or create themed displays, others prefer greeting and chatting to customers, being on the move.
    That was what I was trying to convey when I said I'd notice how a person responded to initial tasks set. I'd hope that they feel they have some bearing, control over what it is that they do. Realistically, there will not be something to suit every person's strength, and it is after all still work.

    My intention isn't to evaluate anyone's worthiness to an organization, or at least, that is not what I am consciously doing.

    Because I did not foresee your reaction, discomfort, there is something important I'm overlooking ...



    I didn't think you personally intended it that way. Its not about you specifically. I meant what happens outside of the individual, at the interpersonal and group level. There's 2 things that disturb me.

    The first is when Fi stops being private and starts having strings attached.

    Conversations about what a peer or "subordinate" likes are not always without power or political dynamics. I know we are just talking about shirts on a rack, but imagine we're talking tight knit community, old boys club, old firm etc where everybody is talking to everybody. Not knowing what you like could be interpreted as being wishy-washy, not ready, or unfit for leadership. Liking the wrong thing can draw up negative associations about your character. A few days ago, I came across a comment by an LSE that playing guitar was bad, playing electric guitar means you're a jerk. Not to single them out, I know its a joke, but there's truth in what we joke about and I've seen similar judgements IRL. Maybe the boss thinks someone who likes working stockroom or nightshift means they're lazy or antisocial.

    Also, Fi doesn't just stay Fi in a personal bubble. It is read by and influences Te/Ne/Se. The individual and other people. Ideas and approaches diffuse and become organizational culture. You may not become a leader, but leaders may copy your example or pick your brain. The spirit of what one person intends at the personal level can get lost at the group level by some other person sticking to the script/process handed down.

    The second thing that disturbs me is this idea that its only coercion and pressure if its Se. You can (intentionally and unintentionally) manipulate, control, and impose on people with indirect suggestion and appealing to their nature, way more effectively than with impersonal direct orders. You can do it through hinting, ambiguity, open-ended leading questions, or getting people to sell an idea to themselves. Soft influence can really mess with people's heads. This is the scene I had in mind.



    The top quote from the comments: "What's so evil about this is that she keeps trying to get a straight answer from him but he refuses to puncture the illusion of her free will"

    This is how I've seen things get twisted IRL. Again, I'm not talking about you specifically. I can give IRL examples but I'll stop here
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