it's a solid archetypal comparison to manson, who was pretty much the 90s incarnation, thus a 3 out of a necessity.channel currents or hold the vessel.
it's a solid archetypal comparison to manson, who was pretty much the 90s incarnation, thus a 3 out of a necessity.
4w3-5w6-8w7
Yeah, post-Reagan America pretty much necessitated grabbing onto a raft...not as much room for megalomania, more fuel for depravity.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
are you referring to marilyn manson the entp
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
No, the IEI-Ni.Originally Posted by Allie
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
Go away borderliner. I doubt you have ever contributed anything worth a damn on this forum- Werent you entp week ago.
Shut your mouth, invalid. I gave birth to you thousands of years ago in the angry heart of a black hole.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
I think hes Ti-ESTp most likely. I used to think INFp but I saw some documentaries on him which got me thinking more ESTp. INFp is still my second choice, I would agree with the 3W4 bit though, thats always been my impression of his enneatype.
JIM MORRISON?
I figure his type would be Ni/Se valuing (I've read that philosophically inclined individuals are most usually Ni). My guesses: ISTj, INFp, INTp??? Anyone have an opinion on this?
SLE-Se E7w8 with a strong 4 fix Sx/so
His most stable gf, Pam, could have been his dual (the character played by Meg Ryan in Oliver Stone's movie had that sensitive&dreamy vibe).
Pam seems ISFx.
I can't tell if Jim is SLE or IEI, he's too drugged. Beta irrational, anyway. sx/so.
Se-SLE. a bit too present for an IEI, especially given the drugs. not sure if he's a 3 or 7, though I could see arguments for a 4 fix.
4w3-5w6-8w7
I've always thought he was a drugged out IEI lol, but apparently not. And I couldn't decide on 4 or 7 for him, but if he's SLE then obviously 7 sx/so.
Read this twice and cried. I absolutely put myself in Pam's place and felt what it was like. I had a crush on that dead man.
http://www.amazon.com/Angels-Dance-D.../dp/0825672708
This book also made me cry and it is another person I can merge with and feel what it was like. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_I_D...Live_This_Life
I went to the Chelsea to see the room she died in and the guy let us see it.
“My typology is . . . not in any sense to stick labels on people at first sight. It is not a physiognomy and not an anthropological system, but a critical psychology dealing with the organization and delimitation of psychic processes that can be shown to be typical.” —C.G. Jung
Thank you! I am in agreement--Beta most likely (and not enough Fe to be INFp). I am not feeling ISTj with certainty...however I AM favouring that typing over ESTp for the following reasons:
* I've read that students of philosophy are pretty much always intuitives. Starting in his teens, JM was a voracious reader of Baudelaire, Freud, Balzac. He also published volumes of poetry. IMO this just does not seem very SLE.
* JM was a misfit and a loner during his teens and young adulthood, and was never involved in sports. He permanently severed all contact with his family, and lived alone on a rooftop in Venice amidst his numerous notebooks of poetry. SLEs in my experience require some sort of social support or sense of community in their lives. The 3 ISTjs I've had the pleasure of being close with have all in some way or another lived a similarly solitary lifestyle. One a dirtbag powder chaser, one a single mom of 3 who used a sperm donor to save herself the hassle of co-parenting, the 3rd lived alone in his family's sign shop throughout his 20s (and tutored me in university math despite having dropped out of school in grade 10). Ti!!
I don't have enough experience with SLEs IRL to rule it out with complete confidence, but that is my current opinion. I'm open to more analysis.
My perception is similar to @darya's. I have only ever considered The Doors' music to be 'ok' at best, and so don't know much about him beyond a few things seeming, e.g. the nature of his lyrics, the way he churned them out and his ability to recite poetry + new verses during performances.
The music of the Doors is generally typified by Homeric-style dirges even in their shorter pieces...(they had several longer, endless(!) pieces too), but at the same time, their music could be very punchy in style. (So it would be difficult to not agree with "Beta irrational"...LSI with
Thank you! I am in agreement--Beta most likely (and not enough Fe to be INFp). I am not feeling ISTj with certainty...however I AM favouring that typing over ESTp for the following reasons:
* I've read that students of philosophy are pretty much always intuitives. Starting in his teens, JM was a voracious reader of Baudelaire, Freud, Balzac. He also published volumes of poetry. IMO this just does not seem very SLE.
* JM was a misfit and a loner during his teens and young adulthood, and was never involved in sports. He permanently severed all contact with his family, and lived alone on a rooftop in Venice amidst his numerous notebooks of poetry. SLEs in my experience require some sort of social support or sense of community in their lives. The 3 ISTjs I've had the pleasure of being close with have all in some way or another lived a similarly solitary lifestyle. One a dirtbag powder chaser, one a single mom of 3 who used a sperm donor to save herself the hassle of co-parenting, the 3rd lived alone in his family's sign shop throughout his 20s (and tutored me in university math despite having dropped out of school in grade 10). Ti!!
I don't have enough experience with SLEs IRL to rule it out with complete confidence, but that is my current opinion. I'm open to more analysis.
i think anyone can lack a social system fora various reasons.
what about james hetfield, who said he was shy... he seemed to lack much socialising in early life.
although i think some people type him as lsi.
not giving many insights yet, but this is interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM41Vk1K32c
@ Mercutio--thank you for the link!@Subteigh--I understand your sentiment that "Doors music is ok at best". It can be sloppy (LA Woman), repetitive (We Could be so Good Together), simplistic (My Wild Love), and just plain strange (Whiskey Bar, Horse Latitudes). To me the Doors are a guilty pleasure best consumed in private when I'm in an Ni/Se state of mind (ie drunk?
). @darya yes I've also considered IEI, as that type is the most grand and pure representation of
I guess I'm trying to apply socionics to understand my affinity--not so much for the music as for the words. I'm guessing it's my Se HA--it was liberating during my teen years to hear an Ni message delivered through Se: "shadows of the trees witnessing the wild breeze comon baby run with me...let's run!" My IEI bud (with Se-Inferior) may also find that the Doors' Se is physically liberating. I now think he was either ISTj or ESTp--the Se attracts me as a beacon of freedom...a practical path to liberation. I believe he was definitely not from my Quadra (Gamma), because my sensitivity would definitely have been trampled in such a real-life union. I was attracted to his message and his mind, and was never under the illusion that he was my match.
I haven't listened to that much of The Doors' music, yet I don't think I liked most of what I've heard.
- from Final 24 [“Jim Morrison”—Final hours of singer Jim Morrison]:
Narrator: “Since film school, [Jim] Morrison has had a passion for the cinema, having recently made a movie called Highway. The film, a dark impressionistic journey through the desert, was inspired by a troubling childhood experience that has stayed with Morrison all through his life.”
James Riordan: “A key event in Jim’s childhood and, in fact, the thing he referred to as ‘the event that shaped him,’ occurred when he was four years old. The family was driving between Albuquerque and Santa Fe and they came upon this horrific accident. A truckload of Indian workers had overturned and Indians were dead all over the highway.”
Narrator: “Morrison believed that the spirit of one of those Indians, a Shaman, entered his own soul and stayed there.”
James Riordan: “He claimed it affected his writing, he claimed it affected the way he did the concerts, that there was always this soul of this Indian shaman pushing him to these experiences.”
Narrator: “Those experiences were later expressed by [Jim] Morrison in the form of dark, mystical poems—poems that The Doors used to set them apart from other bands. But for Morrison, rock and roll was only a short-term vehicle for his poetic vision.”
Pamela Des Barres: “He looked at his rock and roll world as a temporary stop ‘cause he was a poet and he saw himself that way; and he dragged his poetry books everywhere he went and he thought this was just a temporary ride.”
Believe it or not, someone on this forum once told me I look a bit like Jim Morrison, yet it probably had something to do with my hair I guess.
I’m reading a biography on him right now and he sounds very Ni. Spending years doing nothing but writing poetry and taking acid on the roof of someone’s house in Venice. Not to mention that he was homeless during this period so I think that level of slacking off and observation points towards up temperament. Once he started performing, he had to have his back to the crowd at first because he was too shy to sing his lyrics directly to them. Giant fan of Richard and was attempting to emulate a Native American spiritual journey through his life. To break through all the doors around him and be free. IEI-Ni 4w5 it seems like to me.
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