How to find/spot LSIs-ISTjs: observations, stories, experiences

[Kirana]

Then, from all of this info. How to differentiate between ISTj and ISTp, as they can be very similar, and seem very similar to an outside observer. I am one of these two types myself, but can't tell for sure which one. Maybe an ISTj with strenghtened Si/Ni , or an ISTp with strenghtened Se/Ne . Don't know.

My mother is LSI, and I work with an SLI consultant (male). For me, the main difference is Se (because it is my PoLR, I notice it). LSI will use Se to push forward their views about how things should be run. SLI is not interested in making you follow what they feel should be the way things are done. From my perspective, I perceive LSI as more controlling, SLI kind of like a curmudgeonly uncle who just wants to be let be and he will likewise let you be. I think if both are in a situation where they are micro-managing (a scenario, not saying either or both types are prone to it), the SLI is the one who resents having to actually put in more effort than should've been necessary, and interact that much more with, like, people. The LSI is the one who believes the micro-managing is useful to everyone.

[Airman]

My mother is LSI, and I work with an SLI consultant (male). For me, the main difference is Se (because it is my PoLR, I notice it). LSI will use Se to push forward their views about how things should be run. SLI is not interested in making you follow what they feel should be the way things are done. From my perspective, I perceive LSI as more controlling, SLI kind of like a curmudgeonly uncle who just wants to be let be and he will likewise let you be. I think if both are in a situation where they are micro-managing (a scenario, not saying either or both types are prone to it), the SLI is the one who resents having to actually put in more effort than should've been necessary, and interact that much more with, like, people. The LSI is the one who believes the micro-managing is useful to everyone.

This sounds interesting, it is always good to read things from real personal experience. I see that LSI is definitely more controlling, yes. And you seem to get the point like I do, that the main difference lies in Se, LSI will use Se all of the time, whereas SLI won't. This clearly takes me away from LSI as a typing for myself. I have definitely Si on egoblock. Well, that said, Thanks Kirana.

[bolong]

Please do lol. I would like to hear what you have to say.

OK, I will

What do you find sexy about them, jw??

[bolong]

they don't call it 'activity 'for nothin' honh honh honh

lol

[Airman]

lol... LSI just seem to have a sort of serious, manly attitude and general behaviour and this probably is a great thing for many women, especially NF ones. I see INFp can get attracted to any man who shows a strong, manly and commanding attitude. This seems to turn them on more than even the ENFj females. Frequently EIE and LSI do not get along because they're just so different. I see this applies to both Aristocratic dualities. Sometimes the dual seems to be so different that if there is not enough passion or love, one or both of the partners get tired of each others PoLR especially, and their lack of ability in their Egoblock functions in general, so they go their own ways.

I have seen even a relationship between two friends, an INFj female and ESTp male, of course that was totally a 'no-no' to my eyes, but I let them do as they wanted, and in less than one week they were always arguing and fighting each other. But at first, the delta NF girl felt very attracted to the Beta ST because of his "manly" demeanour which seemed as protective for her. They are both E6s like me, so probably the attraction occured because of the same E type. I see same E type can attract people to each other even when they are Conflictors.

But the reason for the LSI seeming so attractive to the IEI is what was summarized as 'activation'... activation tends to be as attractive as duality IMO, and with Betas frequently a longer lasting relationship because they will not fight against each other so much as in a duality. Because the tendency of Beta is to fight, at least during the first stages of a relationship ... (now I prepare for the Betas to launch nuclear missiles at me lol).

[Beautiful sky]

My mother is LSI, and I work with an SLI consultant (male). For me, the main difference is Se (because it is my PoLR, I notice it). LSI will use Se to push forward their views about how things should be run. SLI is not interested in making you follow what they feel should be the way things are done. From my perspective, I perceive LSI as more controlling, SLI kind of like a curmudgeonly uncle who just wants to be let be and he will likewise let you be. I think if both are in a situation where they are micro-managing (a scenario, not saying either or both types are prone to it), the SLI is the one who resents having to actually put in more effort than should've been necessary, and interact that much more with, like, people. The LSI is the one who believes the micro-managing is useful to everyone.

I like your post very much.

[shakealittle]

But the reason for the LSI seeming so attractive to the IEI is what was summarized as 'activation'... activation tends to be as attractive as duality IMO, and with Betas frequently a longer lasting relationship because they will not fight against each other so much as in a duality. Because the tendency of Beta is to fight, at least during the first stages of a relationship ... (now I prepare for the Betas to launch nuclear missiles at me lol).

I feel this is true for me - I trust my activators much more than my duals

I would say it's to do with the ignoring function

With the EIE LSI duality there is A LOT of social strategising/competition - the EIE tends to recruit less favourable relationships and play them up to be desirable to the LSI

[Airman]

I feel this is true for me - I trust my activators much more than my duals

I would say it's to do with the ignoring function

With the EIE LSI duality there is A LOT of social strategising/competition - the EIE tends to recruit less favourable relationships and play them up to be desirable to the LSI

Yea, could be that. Duality in SLI/IEE for example is not as much a turn on because of the role Se in ENFP, this is kind of irritating for the SLI, who doesn't like Se at all. But with EII things get different, the EII is totally powerless with Se and SLI is not, this gives her a sense of protection with her activator, but both do not value Se and don't care much abt it. This is the ignoring function here as the PolR of the Activity partner. The LSE may show too much Se for the IEE to bear, when he has his bursts of rage for example. IEE is going to interpret that as very much over-reacting and even dangerous to her. While with the SLI the IEE has no problem with that. Furthermore, the two are Extroverts, belong to the same Quadra. This can be a very good relationship in friendship, and what is love without friendship? For me it goes along with a deep connection of friendship first and foremost, not only passion and attraction.

[DaftPunk]

Yea, could be that. Duality in SLI/IEE for example is not as much a turn on because of the role Se in ENFP, this is kind of irritating for the SLI, who doesn't like Se at all. But with EII things get different, the EII is totally powerless with Se and SLI is not, this gives her a sense of protection with her activator, but both do not value Se and don't care much abt it. This is the ignoring function here as the PolR of the Activity partner. The LSE may show too much Se for the IEE to bear, when he has his bursts of rage for example. IEE is going to interpret that as very much over-reacting and even dangerous to her. While with the SLI the IEE has no problem with that. Furthermore, the two are Extroverts, belong to the same Quadra. This can be a very good relationship in friendship, and what is love without friendship? For me it goes along with a deep connection of friendship first and foremost, not only passion and attraction.

I see it a bit different. The Role function is a not valued IE but the individual sees more necessity in it than in the POLR so the Role can be sometimes more painful than the POLR. I think relationships of activity are called so because in a activity relationship the base function of one person is always the Hidden Agenda or Mobilizing Function of the Other.

[Airman]

I see it a bit different. The Role function is a not valued IE but the individual sees more necessity in it than in the POLR so the Role can be sometimes more painful than the POLR. I think relationships of activity are called so because in a activity relationship the base function of one person is always the Hidden Agenda or Mobilizing Function of the Other.

Yes, thinking again on that, I agree. Well said, imo.

[bolong]

lol... LSI just seem to have a sort of serious, manly attitude and general behaviour and this probably is a great thing for many women, especially NF ones. I see INFp can get attracted to any man who shows a strong, manly and commanding attitude. This seems to turn them on more than even the ENFj females. Frequently EIE and LSI do not get along because they're just so different. I see this applies to both Aristocratic dualities. Sometimes the dual seems to be so different that if there is not enough passion or love, one or both of the partners get tired of each others PoLR especially, and their lack of ability in their Egoblock functions in general, so they go their own ways.

I have seen even a relationship between two friends, an INFj female and ESTp male, of course that was totally a 'no-no' to my eyes, but I let them do as they wanted, and in less than one week they were always arguing and fighting each other. But at first, the delta NF girl felt very attracted to the Beta ST because of his "manly" demeanour which seemed as protective for her. They are both E6s like me, so probably the attraction occured because of the same E type. I see same E type can attract people to each other even when they are Conflictors.

But the reason for the LSI seeming so attractive to the IEI is what was summarized as 'activation'... activation tends to be as attractive as duality IMO, and with Betas frequently a longer lasting relationship because they will not fight against each other so much as in a duality. Because the tendency of Beta is to fight, at least during the first stages of a relationship ... (now I prepare for the Betas to launch nuclear missiles at me lol).

Haha, I was waiting to hear another IEI female(?) perspective (@Eldanen), but you've got the gist of it. My own reasons are more personal, as I've been in a relationship with SLE before I ever discovered the LSI type, and I was gonna do a break down of all the ways in which LSI is superior. The main idea is the same though - I want manliness, and the sense of "manliness" I get from LSI is much stronger and more consistent. I know SLEs have a macho thing going too, but imo there is nothing manly about the EP temperament. Flaky, constantly seeking excitement elsewhere as though you are not enough for them, ughh. Fuck that. And the SLE HA makes them behave like ridiculous attention whores, NOT manly at all.

Another thing is that my LSI bf can be the "alpha" among other guys while at the same time being well liked by all of them (the other type that comes to mind that does this easily is LIE), but the SLE, once you got to really know him, didn't really have a group of guy friends at all. Sure, he knew a lot of people (mostly girls), and he could have a dominating presence for a short time ("in the moment"), but his "gang" actually consists of a girl he's banging and her female roommate. He presides over them all alpha like, employing jealousy to keep both of them in line, but sorry you can't be an alpha male over two girls, you have to establish that within your own gender.

[Airman]

Haha, I was waiting to hear another IEI female(?) perspective (@Eldanen), but you've got the gist of it. My own reasons are more personal, as I've been in a relationship with SLE before I ever discovered the LSI type, and I was gonna do a break down of all the ways in which LSI is superior. The main idea is the same though - I want manliness, and the sense of "manliness" I get from LSI is much stronger and more consistent. I know SLEs have a macho thing going too, but imo there is nothing manly about the EP temperament. Flaky, constantly seeking excitement elsewhere as though you are not enough for them, ughh. Fuck that. And the SLE HA makes them behave like ridiculous attention whores, NOT manly at all.

Another thing is that my LSI bf can be the "alpha" among other guys while at the same time being well liked by all of them (the other type that comes to mind that does this easily is LIE), but the SLE, once you got to really know him, didn't really have a group of guy friends at all. Sure, he knew a lot of people (mostly girls), and he could have a dominating presence for a short time ("in the moment"), but his "gang" actually consists of a girl he's banging and her female roommate. He presides over them all alpha like, employing jealousy to keep both of them in line, but sorry you can't be an alpha male over two girls, you have to establish that within your own gender.

HAHAHA.... well I have a similar view on the frustrating character of most SLEs. I would say the ISTj is much more stable, still he is reserved, quiet and uptight. Some of them overdo this, and seem to be part of some sort of police or military even when their job has nothing to do with being uptight and watchful. They are sentinels, in a sense, of society, and the very archetype of the military man of modern and contemporary days. Self-disciplined, uptight, watchful of themselves and others, quiet. This is probably a big thing for women in general. What I admire in the ISTj is that he/she is able to seem like totally confident even when they are not, and you know they are not, but they can for moments shut off their emotional side and just remain watchful and careful without losing the appearance of confidence. The SLE is a very unmature, childlike type who likes to dominate by raw force. He is often a bully at school, then after that he either dissolves into mediocrity or is able to get some good job because of acquaintances or some woman he occasionally has sex with and is influential or rich. The LSI looks down on the SLE as respectable because of force, but totally lost in his ways of life, like someone who has gone astray, out off 'the right way of living'.

[Airman]

I see it a bit different. The Role function is a not valued IE but the individual sees more necessity in it than in the POLR so the Role can be sometimes more painful than the POLR. I think relationships of activity are called so because in a activity relationship the base function of one person is always the Hidden Agenda or Mobilizing Function of the Other.

I just don't get the Role being more painful than the Polr... can you elaborate further on that thesis?

[DaftPunk]

I just don't get the Role being more painful than the Polr... can you elaborate further on that thesis?

Not more painful in general but because POLR and Role are both weak disvalued IE's the Role can be painful too. It can be that I am to influenced by Reinin in his system the Role is function number minus 4 and the POLR function number minus 3. In Reinins system the minus 4 is described more painful.

[Amber]

Then, from all of this info. How to differentiate between ISTj and ISTp, as they can be very similar, and seem very similar to an outside observer. I am one of these two types myself, but can't tell for sure which one. Maybe an ISTj with strenghtened Si/Ni , or an ISTp with strenghtened Se/Ne . Don't know.

TiSe gives you a demanding nature.

[Amber]

Honestly, ISTj is the most immediately sexy type in the Socion for me, even moreso than my dual, the ESTp. The idea of an ISTj as sexy isn't something most people think of, so that's my positive perspective on them.

yes, LSI is sexy. Even to themselves.

[Amber]

HAHAHA.... well I have a similar view on the frustrating character of most SLEs. I would say the ISTj is much more stable, still he is reserved, quiet and uptight. Some of them overdo this, and seem to be part of some sort of police or military even when their job has nothing to do with being uptight and watchful. They are sentinels, in a sense, of society, and the very archetype of the military man of modern and contemporary days. Self-disciplined, uptight, watchful of themselves and others, quiet. This is probably a big thing for women in general. What I admire in the ISTj is that he/she is able to seem like totally confident even when they are not, and you know they are not, but they can for moments shut off their emotional side and just remain watchful and careful without losing the appearance of confidence. The SLE is a very unmature, childlike type who likes to dominate by raw force. He is often a bully at school, then after that he either dissolves into mediocrity or is able to get some good job because of acquaintances or some woman he occasionally has sex with and is influential or rich. The LSI looks down on the SLE as respectable because of force, but totally lost in his ways of life, like someone who has gone astray, out off 'the right way of living'.

SLE seems uselessly aggressive sometimes to me. I guess some would say bully. It looks like waste of energy from over here. Reacts to sporadic things, changes horses mid-trip whether it's necessary or not, doesn't always stick to promises. Lots of potential but sometimes misused ? gets involved in immature battles , expends "Se" for no real purpose, has not enough "ideological consistency"? With SLE working together on something I expect them to get bored or pissed off at people and screw things up. We get along when it's about leisure and friendship.

[Eldanen]

yes, LSI is sexy. Even to themselves.

Certain LSIs I've met have seemed like the most attractive type around for sex. Others, on the other hand, exude so much emotive force that it feels like I'm being burned from being around them. The latter is hard to describe properly.

[Amber]

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Meh. ISTjs. Are too insecure (irrationally because you are lovely) or changeable. Or something. Oh & shady and not upfront .
& I agree they are not "spur of the moment".

[Amber]

estp... don't you hate people who just change their opinions to match yours ..

Yes and no ... It's reassuring , gives them value, makes them think they're the shit. But unconsciously they despise the same people who agree with them ad nauseum.