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    Quote Originally Posted by Kim View Post
    I honestly can't. I would be curious to hear what you think you both have in common.
    Well, first let me start off with a few things that we already know are different between Kri and I. For starters, I am a man and she is a woman. We come from entirely different parts of the world. We grew up with completely different families; I'm going on the more-than-likely chance that Kri doesn't have Delta Rationals for parents. In addition, her parents definitely had significantly different upbringings than my own in terms of financial background, religion, culture, etc, not to mention that these differences also exist between Kri and I.

    Now, with what seems to me to be a fairly weighty list of readily accessible differences, and a whole world full of more possible differences in social background, interests, emotional development (and so on and so on and so on...), are you prepared to say that ONLY a difference in type could POSSIBLY explain the differences you perceive in your interactions with Kri and I?

    As for what we have in common, well, for starters we are both sources of reasonably consistent amounts of controversy here on the forum; that seems to be something that EIEs usually share.

    From what I have seen, Kristiina is attracted to a counter-culture sort of lifestyle and appears to dress and act in such a way as to outwardly embody it: I see lots of black and plaid and chains, the kind of dress that usually goes with some kind of attempt to identify with an overt stance on what is perceived as "the norm." Well, you haven't met me or my friends, but if you had, I'm sure that you would see a similar pattern. That kind of tendency to outwardly embody and truly identify with an obvious and deliberate stance on popular culture or cultural norms, whether it be in favor or against them, also seems to be something that I notice Betas as sharing.

    That's all I have for now, but, well, it doesn't particularly add up to Kristiina and I being different types, even if we take into consideration that you personally experience us as very different individuals.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by implied View Post
    why do you think you need an ISTj dual? other than obviously needing to be slapped into reality or whatever as auvi has mentioned.
    In simplest terms, I need someone to keep me grounded.

    For one, I have trouble controlling my emotions and I could use someone stoic like an LSI to set an example for me. There is a time and a place for the release of that kind of energy, and I am usually good at seeing when it is, but sometimes I just can't help myself; when the water boils, the kettle screams.

    Something I highlighted in my identification with Howl from Howl's Moving Castle: I tend to mope and feel sorry for myself when something goes wrong. As you mentioned, I often need a swift kick in the ass to get me out of that rut, and having someone who could provide it when necessary AND steadily bear the brunt of the rage that would undoubtedly be released upon such kicking, and not take it personally, would be just about as much as I could ask for; I need to vent SOMEHOW, or else it gets pent up and turned into even more angst. While growing up I was used to being able to rage with my Mom when we were both having a bad day and got in each other's way, because she's got some stress issues, and we would just lay it all out there on the table and go our separate ways for an hour or so then hug it
    out She's great like that, but often I feel like we only said things to one another that intensified the rageness and made it worse than it had to be, although in the end I guess it all worked out; we're still as close as could be (sometimes I wish my Dad and I could rage on each other like that, lol...).

    And, as my apparent 6-ness makes readily observable, I need someone steady, someone to be solid ground for me, so to speak, so that I know I can always fall back and have my hysteria for a while and get it out, and be able to feel like life isn't going to bits and pieces just because I'm feeling a little crazy. For example if I had to come home from a stressful day at work and then cook and then pay the taxes and then deal with all of the little shit that invariably rears its ugly head and demands to be taken care of, I would probably end up breaking something or going to bed in a fuming fit or going out and getting high. It's not that I can't do all those things, more that I'm just emotionally volatile enough that having to cope with all of them at once could conceivably be more than enough to put me over the edge.

    I also have both very whimsical interests as far as careers go, as well as artistic aspirations of a sort, and it would be good to know that I had someone by my side who is both readily employable (not that I'm not, but in any case someone who wouldn't mind being the provider if things go to hell in a handcart) and also possesses the monetary savvy and restraint to help get through the confusing/hard times or give me the space required to pursue my more obscure (and less profitable) interests. Again, I am physically capable of these things on some level, but I'll be fucked four ways if it wouldn't be nice to not have to worry about them quite so much. Managing money is definitely a stress for me; it would be nice to have someone tell me "No, you can't have this; yes, we can afford that," and not let my insane rationalizations go too far, because nine times out of ten, if I want something, I will either find some way to convince myself that it's necessary, or make enough of an internal fuss about it to the point that it ends up being more of a stress just thinking about it than having to cope with financial hardship: "Well, if I buy these sandals, and I just eat 99 cent hamburgers for the rest of the week, then don't buy anything extravagent next week, and in the meantime try to avoid buying unnecessary shit...yeah, shouldn't be a problem! SWEET no worries!"

    I dunno. Maybe I am once again making this all up as I go along, but at least I feel like I'm being a little more honest about what I actually need from someone.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    When he was naked on cam that one time, he was slapping his own ass with a rigor that could possibly explain Se HA.......

    However, I'd have to see more to know for sure.
    The matter is whether or not it was done in a playful, alpha nature.
    (Yes, I am a booty-smack connoisseur)
    I dunno, I've never had my booty smacked personally but GOOOOD does scratching do it for me I'm not into serious punishment, but the sexual value of a decent dose of pain is certainly not lost on me.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    oh so now you finally know. WELL good sir. i'm happy for you!
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    Maybe.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    *prods Kim*
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    A personal observation. You seem to always have a warped, from my perspective, understanding of what I am doing, of what I am trying to accomplish. And you're the only person on the site with whom when I have any contact it's a conflict of some kind, misunderstanding. Also whenever I interact with you I feel as if you are attacking me. Out of nowhere and for no reason. Making stuff up, saying some random nonsense that is wrong. And that I have to defend myself from you. From the senseless and needless attacks.

    I'd say that there is a definite conflict of informational elements between you and me. And I'd say that we are most likely in opposing quadras. And that we have super ego, or supervisory or conflicting relations. And since I'd say I'm SLI I'd say EIE is very likely, and ILE extremely unlikely.

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    Well I would apologize for causing needless conflict if I were sure that the nature of said interactions were exactly as you describe them; however I'm not entirely sure that's the case. If you feel that I've wronged you in some way, well, if you can demonstrate to me that I have, then by all means, I will do my best to make amends.

    I will say, however, that I have felt in the past that much of what you say is contrived or fudged, so I see no reason not to agree with your point in principle.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I think George and I are experiencing the same issue...regardless if we are a similar type....can you guess what it is?
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    [21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
    [21:29] hitta: and not dying
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    Something to do with being 6w7 so/sx?

    Although I think I would have thought of you as sx first...perhaps not.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Something to do with being 6w7 so/sx?

    Although I think I would have thought of you as sx first...perhaps not.

    I semi-recently changed that.


    Edit: actually I'm changing it again...
    Last edited by Khamelion; 06-15-2008 at 09:43 PM.
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    [21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
    [21:29] hitta: and not dying
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    I would have to debate your being sp>so.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I would have to debate your being sp>so.

    the general descriptions of social variant made it sound as if i would like rules and boundaries set for me, conforming ideals and need authority. i don't get on well with those ideas i disagree with, and only authority if i think the leader and i are on the same wave length.


    not that brushed up on the enneagram, just so you know.
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    [21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
    [21:29] hitta: and not dying
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    I am social first. Do you think those things apply to me?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I am social first. Do you think those things apply to me?
    sometimes your way of thinking seems to.

    nope, can't provide examples. i roll on gut feelings and observations...i collect it all up and form feelings for the ones i can't process information on. you are one of those people i really have to go by my feelings because you shit all over my mind when im trying wrap it around you. i can't just go by the information you give...because it isn't entirely clear for me and you make things difficult.



    see, im seeing a picture in my head explaining that last paragraph and making it make sense....i'm going to go ahead and post this in hopes that it MIGHT make sense to someone else. i really dont want to reword any of it...





    linkage plz? i mean...ive searched somewhat but...im sure you have something up your sleeve...someone always does....
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    [21:29] hitta: idealism is just the gap between the thought of death
    [21:29] hitta: and not dying
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    I'll hold off from foisting an opinion regarding your socionics type, but to say that I just don't think EIE. IEE, ILE more likely.

    But I'm definitely not going to agree with cp6w7... that IS George W. Bush type. And you're not him. Nothing like. Granted, he's definitely not an intuitive, but still. No similarity there, enneagram-wise.

    To me, you'll always scream 7 loud and clear. w6 or w8, but definitely 7. Enthusiast, not Sidekick.

    6s, even cp6w7s have a sidekick vibe, and a for/against mentality that I just don't see any evidence of in you, Gilly. You're variously pursuing bliss, escapism, adventure, intense experience, insight, stimulation. And you just don't have the edgy *crackle* that I always notice in 6s. You're not prickly or quickly defensive. More blustery when provoked, and overall more amiable as a default. You just don't seem suspicious by nature or highly critical. If anything, you seem willing to give everyone a fair shake. And you definitely present as an optimist and an idealist in spades. Two things 6s rarely can maintain for long.

    I respectfully submit that you are of course, free to disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khamelion View Post
    sometimes your way of thinking seems to.
    What does that mean? I have major problems with authority and the only person I accept easily as a leader is myself; otherwise it has to be someone I really respect AND get along with, or else it's going to go bad.

    As for following rules and conforming to other people's ideals...lol.

    You should read more about the Enneagram. Here are my favorite sites:

    the enneagram ...info from the underground (probably the best site out there IMO, especially if you want to learn more about variants)
    The Enneagram
    Enneagram Institute of Queensland: Type Descriptions
    The Enneagram Blogspot

    nope, can't provide examples. i roll on gut feelings and observations...i collect it all up and form feelings for the ones i can't process information on. you are one of those people i really have to go by my feelings because you shit all over my mind when im trying wrap it around you. i can't just go by the information you give...because it isn't entirely clear for me and you make things difficult.
    Wow, I hope that makes me interesting rather than frustrating I'm going to guess that it's some of both, though.

    The information I give isn't clear? What do you mean by that?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aka-kitsune View Post
    To me, you'll always scream 7 loud and clear. w6 or w8, but definitely 7. Enthusiast, not Sidekick.
    You're right, I'm definitely not a sidekick. I will only subordinate myself to other people in the case of necessity or extreme personal benefit.

    6s, even cp6w7s have a sidekick vibe, and a for/against mentality that I just don't see any evidence of in you, Gilly. You're variously pursuing bliss, escapism, adventure, intense experience, insight, stimulation. And you just don't have the edgy *crackle* that I always notice in 6s. You're not prickly or quickly defensive. More blustery when provoked, and overall more amiable as a default. You just don't seem suspicious by nature or highly critical. If anything, you seem willing to give everyone a fair shake. And you definitely present as an optimist and an idealist in spades. Two things 6s rarely can maintain for long.
    Well, if a 6 I am mostly counterphobic by nature, so that could explain the lack of said "sidekick" vibe. I'm actually pretty defensive by nature, although moreso here than in real life (unless I'm provoked emotionally; then it's all downhill ). I am HIGHLY suspicious and critical of any ideas that contradict my natural "web" of ideas and ideals.

    I am definitely pursuing experience, insight, etc. as you notice. That is my main idea of what life is about. But on a very existential level, I have a need for something solid to believe in; my 7-ness is essentially my method of escaping from the anxiety that is inherent in this constant identity crisis. I tend to identify with and attempt to embody my ideals, so the fact that I am constantly questioning them in my search for something "solid" leaves me as a fairly anxious person internally.

    I am definitely an idealist, and generally optimistic, or at least I try to be, despite the fact that I have reasons in plenty to act jaded (and I inevitably do when I feel like my footing on my concept of life is loose). And I do my best to give everyone a "fair shake," as you say, and try not to judge them without very good reason, because I believe essentially that all people are good and deserve to be heard, but I don't really see how this is incompatible with cp 6w7. I also tend to be anti-authority of any kind by default, which seems cp 6, as opposed to being ambivalent until authority "treads" on me, which seems to be the default 7 attitude; I get easily pissed when people do something like make a commanding gesture towards me or take on a condescending or superior attitude, whether I know them or not.

    I dunno, my enneatype is something that I'm not thoroughly set on, especially because I think I am more externally like a 7 than a 6; I identify with descriptions of 7 behavior MUCH MUCH more than that of 6: I'm not particularly reliable in the every day sense, although if someone tells me that they're "counting on me" or if I feel like I am being relied upon for something important, then it is invariably done.

    However I feel 6-ness on such a deep level that I am somewhat disinclined to see any other type now that I really understand what it's about. Would a 7w6 feel this way, or would they simply be more likely to manifest some of the external traits of a 6?

    I dunno, thinking about the people I know who I could see as 6s, I definitely have more in common with the 7s I know, for sure...but I just feel that my 6-ness runs so deep that I can't help but wonder.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I am definitely pursuing experience, insight, etc. as you notice. That is my main idea of what life is about. But on a very existential level, I have a need for something solid to believe in; my 7-ness is essentially my method of escaping from the anxiety that is inherent in this constant identity crisis. I tend to identify with and attempt to embody my ideals, so the fact that I am constantly questioning them in my search for something "solid" leaves me as a fairly anxious person internally.
    The core of type 7 is fleeing from pain. This emptiness that you mention, the search for something solid, but all the while remaining insubstantial... this is all consistent with 7. Sevens may say they want something to believe in, strongly identify with, but they're always sabotaging themselves somehow, because deep down, they're loath to close off their options by committing themselves to any one thing. They truly believe that would amount to stagnation. So they pursue experiences, relationships, insight but don't really stay long with any realization long enough to ground them. They have faith only in their resilience, not in people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I am definitely an idealist, and generally optimistic, or at least I try to be, despite the fact that I have reasons in plenty to act jaded (and I inevitably do when I feel like my footing on my concept of life is loose). And I do my best to give everyone a "fair shake," as you say, and try not to judge them without very good reason, because I believe essentially that all people are good and deserve to be heard, but I don't really see how this is incompatible with cp 6w7.
    Sixes usually begin from a position of skepticism and then allow someone to "earn" their trust. They're not going to give anything without good reason or consistent evidence that their trust is not misplaced. Sixes often expect negative outcomes, are highly critical (cp6w5s esp.) or place themselves in a position of subservience in order to appeal to authority (phobics). In actuality, all 6s can be clearly identified by their consistent shifts between these behavioral poles of identification and criticism. They're often meticulous, workaholic, fiercely loyal to what they may deem a "worthy" cause, dutiful and can be highly reactive. Whatever their cause, be it establishment, or anti-establishment, they are committed 100% and are willing to self-sacrifice to further the collective aims.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I also tend to be anti-authority of any kind by default, which seems cp 6, as opposed to being ambivalent until authority "treads" on me, which seems to be the default 7 attitude; I get easily pissed when people do something like make a commanding gesture towards me or take on a condescending or superior attitude, whether I know them or not.
    I'm pretty anti-authority myself, but I'm definitely not a cp6. I also highly dislike anyone attempting to assert personal authority over me or acting condescending. But then again, I'm not a tolerant person. 7s generally ignore authority that doesn't further their personal agenda, but can react defensively (esp 7w8) when people are personally rude. My brother (a 7w8) has no problem confronting strangers who shove him without apology. Sevens are usually extremely egalitarian, but can be annoyed by anyone who assumes an attitude of being better than others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    However I feel 6-ness on such a deep level that I am somewhat disinclined to see any other type now that I really understand what it's about. Would a 7w6 feel this way, or would they simply be more likely to manifest some of the external traits of a 6?
    7s are chameleons, so you may be particularly identifying with aspects of "6-ness" that you see in yourself, perhaps trying it on. 7w6s are also noticeably more anxious than w8s, due to the 6 influence. The 7 core, though, remains an indefiniteness, and pursuing experience externally rather than any sustained identification with any one thing. 6s are pretty consistent, 7s not. also occurs to me as particularly 7ish.

    6s are running toward something
    7s are running away
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    I can see myself as both running towards and away from something. I run towards both experience and new ideas or systems of thought as attempts to escape my anxiety about being judged poorly as a person. I am, however, very unpredictable and inconsistent in my behavior, and only my closest friends would say that I am in any way "reliable," and even with them that can be questionable, especially when it comes to staying in touch and such things; others see me as being very much whimsical and spacey, I believe.

    I believe that I come off as somewhat arrogant to people who don't know me, so if I was inherently skeptical and made people "earn the right to be my friend," so to speak, as opposed to being approachable and optimistic by my own efforts, I think I would probably not have any friends at all
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    As for being EIE...it works better than anything else so far. I also see weak Ti as a probable cause for my constant indecision about my type; I don't see any ILEs having type crises here on the forum, whereas, say, Kirstiina went from LII to LIE to completely running amok before she settled on EIE.

    And I just plain old don't identify with any of the ILEs I know. We have some things in common, but psychologically they are superficial: being anti-authority, creative, open to new experiences, etc. With EIEs, however, even when there are few surface similarities, it seems obvious to me that we share something on a psychological level. For example when I went to college I met this guy named Henderson and we got along very well and had a deeper sense of similarity in the way we perceived the world, despite the fact that I am rebellious and intellectual and counter-culture to the max, whereas he is very much career-focused, achievement-oriented, preppy, and organized. Regardless, we react to people and situations similarly, describe nearly identical subjective effects with drugs, are attracted to similar people (again despite our differences in superficial external personas and upbringings)...the list goes on. With EIEs I feel like we are actually experiencing and describing similar worlds, and have similar feelings and subjective experiences (with and without drugs), whereas with ILEs I tend to respect them but see them as awkward and a little...wussy for my taste; I don't think of myself as a tough guy or anything, but I actively avoid displaying myself as a "vulnerable" person. We are often attracted to similar ideas, and conversation tends to be very stimulating, but I've never really experienced a strong sense of subjective, deeply personal similarity between myself and an ILE.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    This description has the closest overall "feel" to what I see as "my type" compared to any I have read:

    http://wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=Socioscope_EIE

    Notable portions:

    Quote Originally Posted by Socioscope EIE via WikiSocion
    "You think you know me? You've not even begun to understand me!"

    Hamlet is the most mystically-inclined type in the socion. It only seems that he lives here upon this culpable, sinful earth. In actuality he lives more fully in his own inner, spiritual world.

    [I have an imaginary world that is pretty much impossible for me to describe. It IS this world, for the most part, but it has a different light to it; in my mind it's similar to an acid trip. Everything is construed with me as the "main character," and everything happens to me for a REASON, everything has special significance, everything has a purpose or a role or a special quality; sometimes I feel like I'm writing my own novel in my head, and every day is a new chapter in the life of me. My room isn't just a white room with white walls and a white bed with white sheets; it's my sanctuary, it's my little meditative center of the universe, my base of operations from which I launch my expeditions into the world in order to return and maintain my mothership. My sheets aren't just white; they are clean; light spills onto them from the window behind them and I feel myself laying there, cool and comfortable, happy and safe, even when I sit here in my chair. My walls aren't just bare white; they are glowing with presence; they hold the secrets of the meditations and mental masturbations and masochistic rituals and manic rants that occur between them. My shoes aren't just scattered on the floor; they represent the last few times that I have come in after work or a bike ride, too tired or frustrated or enveloped in my own thoughts to straighten them, a signifier of what has come to pass and what it says about me as a person. My chair doesn't just have patches and rips; one whole arm is still upholstered in black leather, but the other, when it began to peel significantly, was stripped completely, revealing the grainy off-white fabric wrapped around the plastic-sealed cushioning, and now my arm rests are the yin and yang of my moments spent here at the computer, a constant reminder of my need for balance. The trees in my back yard are not simply trees; they are trees with vines that make them look like some mysterious gateway to the wild, and the branches are places I have climbed and sat and contemplated life and what the hell is going on, or places I might climb next time I feel restless, or reminders of the trees I have climbed and enjoyed. My life is a myth; if it wasn't, it wouldn't be worth living.]


    If we look at things on the ordinary, everyday level, then before us will appear simply a nervous person who (clumsily) drops everything. But this level, a level which is extremely annoying to him, only to a small degree reflects the true nature of the EIE.

    In ancient China there was a curse: "May you live in interesting times." Indeed, cultural disturbances, wars, revolutions, and other critical epochs are interesting only when you read about them or see them portrayed in films. However, to actually live during such times -- this is a bane to all.
    That is, to all except the ethical-intuitive extravert.
    And this is no coincidence. Indeed, the EIE considers colorful, dramatic, romantic emotions the most significant assets of his soul...He is always internally primed to act on impulse, to succumb to mutinous desires.Outwardly he is usually calm and placid, but beneath the surface he is constantly seething. He possesses rich imagination. He involves himself with all that is beautiful and particularly mysterious.
    I simply cannot live if there is no purpose, if I am to sit idly without any obstacles to overcome.
    Anyone, even fleeting, he attempts to return a feeling up to the end.
    [I used to be a big fan of the phrase "Better to be hatefully remembered than forgotten," and I have been known to say that I just want people to remember me, to be imprinted in their minds.]

    Semitones, the life of half-strength; dull, vapid feelings -- these are almost a crime to him.
    [I had a feeling of similarity with BLauritson on this one a day or two ago...when I was a senior in high school I decided that experiencing emotion intensely was the most important thing in the world.] Either all or nothing

    In all of his life fire and ice war within his soul -- but his heat does not warm, but rather burns, and his cold does not cool, but freezes instead.


    The rebellious spirit of the EIE requires the blessing of God. Most likely, it was for the possession and were fighting the forces of good and evil. Unfortunately, with mixed results...If Hamlet does not feel the presence of a higher power, it starts to seem to him that his life is incomplete. Therefore he listens with fixed, rapt attention to the entirety of strange, unusual, and mysterious occurances happening around him -- and suddenly the long-awaited sign of God's prompt? And if this is true, what exactly does He want from him? How to find the truth?
    [As much as the side of me that wants to appear to both myself and others as a rational, intelligent person HATES it, I have felt, for all my life, that it would be a waste to live without some higher purpose, to come to earth and never leave any impact.
    An excerpt from my journal: "The pieces of me that inhale most deeply and truly to the depths of my soul wait with baited breath for the moment that some greater purpose in service of those I love and the world at large chooses the proper time to reveal itself to me that I may finally have lived for something worth living for." EIE?]


    Meanwhile EIE at any age does not transfer supporting parts, does not like to submit. Prefers to be the ideological leader among the comrades. It externally imperceptibly tightens to itself(himself) suitable people with whom it would like to deal.
    [With only one exception I have always been the ringleader amongst people I consider "friends," and I feel it as my duty to embody the similarities that I see as our "focus" as a group of friends (for example at school in my little druggyverse I made sure that I smoked more weed than anyone, could drink beer faster, rolled fatter, nicer blunts than anyone, had the best room setup for hanging out, took as many or more hits of acid or grams of mushrooms or pills of ecstasy than anyone else, did hard drugs more often than anyone else, etc...I guess I'm just "that guy." I possibly got as much enjoyment from being the center of attention and thinking of myself as their "leader" as I did from doing the drugs themselves.]

    Hamlet shrouds every person who falls into his field of vision in an invisible cloak under which they unwittingly become guinea pigs, deprived of any opportunity to defend themselves.
    [lmao, so true...everyone in my life is a guinea pig for Socionics: I see how they react when I make attempts at "using" difference functions, poking and prodding their weak points, trying to get them to like me or provoke a certain reaction...it's like my hobby.]

    He does not like it, for example, then they inquire after his health and spirits.
    This alarms me. If they pursue this, then it would be desirable to [fill a muzzle|gag them].
    Everyday life and food for Hamlet is a responsbility with he would gladly shift onto someone else. If he has to assume it nonetheless, then he tries to manage with the extreme minimum of affairs.
    He attentively relates to the impression that his appearances makes on his surroundings. He believes that he must look attractive, [to be always be at height (at his peak?)|always look his best]. He prefers classical but stylish clothes [...] He likes to apply extravagant accessories. The colors in clothing and cosmetics are mainly bright and catchy.
    [Heh...as I once told a friend, "I'm either matched from underwear to shoelaces, or I look like a mess"]

    To achieve the, can use strong enough means, for example - threat of suicide. Is better will cool emotions confidence of associates that this " romantic tragedy " actually not so witty joke; here important precisely to sustain the necessary tone and to not overdo.
    [lmao...when I got accepted to private school and my parents informed me that I would be going, I took my acceptance letter, lit it on fire, yelled at them, and stormed to my room and locked the door. Good times.]


    Constant doubts and indecision do not allow to develop to the full to its strong-willed qualities. At the same time, if there is a concrete and significant purpose for it, EIE to not stop. Itself EIE the purpose to itself does not put, it searches external filling of the life by sense and the maintenance.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I have a deep need for approval that I feel has not been provided by the male figures in my life
    Could you elaborate on this? I think all males tend to feel rejected by males. I mean, if being a man is scratching your balls with other men and talking about sports and shit then how many guys can say they are men? LOL Just rambling, yeah I've always thought that was silly. Technically, the only thing that makes a man a man is a penis and subtle secondary sexual characteristics (nothing to do with stereotypical crap) so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

    While I was growing up, acceptance by men paradoxically meant that I had to compete with them. Being gay, this was intrinsically repulsive to me. That's part of the reason why I hate team sports and keeping score and having to be cruel to other men to impress women. Why the hell do I want to keep score with a guy when I want to build a relationship with them instead?

    I think the craving is so deep in men because well a good man IS so hard to find. However, the world is way too controlled by females. Maybe it has to be. But society, and colleges especially - are all female-dominated. The mainstream occupational shit is all women controlled as well to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Could you elaborate on this? I think all males tend to feel rejected by males.
    I think this is definitely true on some level simply because of the fact that men aren't as emotionally involved with one another as women and don't get "approval" in that sense. But I dunno, I feel it very acutely sometimes, especially with regards to male authority figures; I am disdainful of being in the "service" of or hierarchically "below" another man partly because I feel a need for approval of a man in such a position, and would rather be in charge of myself than ever putting myself in the position of either being granted or refused "approval" from a male authority figure.

    While I was growing up, acceptance by men paradoxically meant that I had to compete with them. Being gay, this was intrinsically repulsive to me. That's part of the reason why I hate team sports and keeping score and having to be cruel to other men to impress women. Why the hell do I want to keep score with a guy when I want to build a relationship with them instead?
    I can see how that would be tough. For me, I am a great competitor, but I'm also easily discouraged; in the past if I haven't felt like I have a shot at being "the best" then I generally haven't put forth much effort to excel. Perhaps having "sufficient" female validation from my mother and older sister made me less likely to go "balls out" in search of it; it just seemed like a waste of time and too potentially damaging to my ego/self-esteem to be worth the effort.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    But seriously, I want to know if this sounds reasonable to people or if I am talking out of my ass here. Especially the description.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I was thinking the other day how EIE would make a lot of sense. If I can remember why I thought that (it was sort of an out of the blue occurrence), I'll post it.

    It might be something along the lines of comparing you against mn0, riddy, and steve.
    Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
    If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.

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    Yeah I don't think I match up well with any of them.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    My god, if there was ever an example of duality, it is Gilly and UDP.
    Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
    If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.

    ~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
    ~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.

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    Indeed.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by UDP View Post
    My god, if there was ever an example of duality, it is Gilly and UDP.
    LMAO

    You guys love each-other, it's beautiful!


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    I agree. SLE makes not much sense overall.

    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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